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Feeling Great at 66 but Disappointed in my Aging Face! OKC

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Embarrassed and saddened at the young age of 66, I...

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janetlee2468
WORTH IT$12,400
Embarrassed and saddened at the young age of 66, I have elected to get a face lift. Like many of you “real” wonderful women on this site, I have felt the guilt of pride, egotism and the fact that I will be spending a LOT of money for selfish reasons, but I just couldn’t quit obsessing over the way my face aged so quickly and how elderly I appeared – so, right or wrong - I had my initial consultation January 15 and set the date of my surgery – it is Monday, May 16th, 2016. My surgeon is Dr. Ivan Wayne; his office is in Oklahoma City and he affiliated with OU Physicians. I chose him because of his five star reviews, private phone calls I have had with one of his patience who had a composite face lift, his two board certifications, his status as a “teaching” doctor, and his proximity to where I live. The cost is astronomical – compared to similar procedures in Costa Rica. Really wish I could have gone that route, but I just can’t be away from duties around here for that long, and my husband wouldn’t be onboard with that either. The “composite” face lift Dr. Wayne performs includes the neck, lower and the mid-face and is supposedly a somewhat different technique – we shall see. Additionally, I will have a lower blepharoplasty and some minor fat transfer to the marionette folds I have most recently acquired! UGH! I have a bunch of very noticeable wrinkles, but I don’t want to risk ruining “brand new to the world” skin in the summer sun; so, I will likely have the recommended C02 laser resurfacing done in December. The support from so many incredibly kind and selfless, intelligent and bold women on this site has given me some relief from my selfish/guilty feelings. I appreciate this site so much and will eagerly share my journey and any knowledge I gain along the way with all! Here’s a big HIGH FIVE to amazing YOU!! And one more thing - I am going to attach one post-op picture for now. I found it too painful to choose the worst pictures of me, but I will post those dreadful things closer to my surgery date!

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March 28, 2016
Hi there! I'm scheduled for April 12 so I will be just a month ahead of you. Yes it's a bit of an emotional roller coaster, isn't it, and we are still in the pre-op phase! I've come to accept that it's okay to be concerned with how I age as long as I don't neglect my fundamental health (diet, exercise, smoke free, etc.) and I don't neglect my family and friends in pursuit of the "best me" that I can be. Be well and try not to stress: )
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April 2, 2016
PDX - you described my feelings well! I certainly have never neglected my family and try to be as giving as possible, staying healthy and active. I've probably been a little over obsessed with my aging face, but since there's very talented and competent surgeons who can help us regain our confident happy selves, I'm taking advantage of it! Staying calm and avoiding worrying about the money I'm spending and the end results is difficult, but hearing from women like you helps so much!!! Thank you for your encouraging words!!
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March 30, 2016

Good for you for doing this for yourself! Here are some pre- and post-op tips for you. Please do keep us updated on your progress. :)

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April 1, 2016
You know we are both 66 and my only regret is that I didn't do it sooner, two years ago my face fell and the wrinkles on my neck were horrible I actually saw my mothers face looking back at me in the mirror not the face of what I looked like in my 50's so I am so glad I did it and found Dr. Harley on this site. What got me thru the waiting and the recovery is this site I stayed on it educated myself from what the other girls have said so I knew exactly what to expect when my time came. We owe it to ourselfves to age gracefully don't forget that LOL
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April 2, 2016
Congrats on your upcoming surgery. People think nothing of updating/upgrading their house but then feel guilty for restoring their face or bodies.. I think its the same..
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April 2, 2016
Annpam, That's a great analogy! I have thought a lot about this and, actually, have decided the thing that makes me feel the most guilt is the money I am spending on myself. So, I took an inventory of the things people spend money on themselves for and realize anyone with a hobby is spending money on THEMSELF! (such as quilting, or rebuilding a vintage Mustang as my minister does!). We don't classify it as selfish because it's not out of the ordinary as a facelift is but any money we spend on ourselves that isn't needed for us to exist is actually selfish. I had a fund I paid into while I was teaching and it amounted to quite a nice sum and continues to grow. Why should I condemn myself for using a little of it?! I'm finished judging myself about this decision! Instead, I am just hanging out with all of the positive smart women - like yourself - on this site, leaving the guilt behind. My 40 year old daughter is so supportive of my decision and I have a 41 year old niece who is a Nurse Practioner who is very for excited me and went on and on about how the plastic surgeons she has known are very careful and particular with the after care of their patients. (She has helped with the immediate aftercare of women who had facelifts.) I have a close friend who has been instrumental in helping me decide this is a wonderful thing for me to do - she even went to my first consultation with me. My husband is a worrier and very tight with our money, so he is not happy with my decision, but he will take good care of me when it's all over. :)
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April 3, 2016
Yay! Enjoy the journey!!
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April 2, 2016
Congratulations on deciding to take this big step toward a happier you. I've just it's week returned from my trip to Costa Rica to see Dr. LEV. Best decision ever!
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April 2, 2016
Ooops.....that should say I saw the WONDERFUL Dr. Arguello! !! I was just typing to sime I ne who saw Dr. LEV and his name just popped up there.
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April 4, 2016
Wow...I am so embarrassed about all of these typos or auto corrections! Too bad we can't edit these comments!
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April 8, 2016
Vee, It's totally the key board's fault! It turns against me all of the time!! LOL.
Is there an easy way for a spouse to go along on this trip without costing a lot?
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April 12, 2016
Sure. If you are planning on staying at Verdeza they have a special price for 1 medical and 1 non medical person in the room. I don't remember what it is but will check for you.
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April 12, 2016
My husband isn't taking to the idea of Costa Rica for my facelift. I guess I'll just stick with Dr Harley. I'm waiting to get a phone consultation with him. I sent pictures last week.
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April 12, 2016
I understand. I also considered Dr. Harley at first but I'm not sure his lift covers as much as I wanted done at my age. But, a lot of people are uncertain about going out of the country for surgery. My daughters husband is the same way. Myself, I can't imagine having better care anywhere than I had in Costa Rica with Dr. Arguello and Verdeza.
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April 12, 2016
Exactly what I'm wondering, Vee! I was scheduled for a more incompassing facelift on May 16, but I chickened out and cancelled it. Didn't like idea of 8-10 hours under general anesthesia and it was going to cost 18,700!
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April 12, 2016
8-10 hours does sound extreme! I would be a bit afraid of that at my age. Big price too!!
I see you mentioned your doctor's different technique up above. Do you know what that is?
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April 12, 2016
Vee, He calls it a Composite face lift. It's neck, lower face, and mid face I was planning to have a lower bleph, too. There's something about the procedure he claims is a better way to get a more natural, long lasting result. He didn't explain much. I didn't know what all to ask about it. I've read about the procedure online. It concerned me a little but I was trusting it would be fine. If you google Composite Face lift, you'll find it.
April 12, 2016
Janet...anything other than a composite is not going to lift the cheek area at all. By design, lower face lifts do not undermine inward from the ear far enough to positively affect the sagging of the cheek. Temporarily (for several months), due to swelling and Internal scar formation that will soften over time, the mid face may appear to have been improved but that appearance of lifting in the mid face will fade by month 6-9.
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April 12, 2016
Ugh..thanks for the information, grace. I am going to ask Dr Harley tomorrow if he thinks my cheek area needs a lift and if by looking at my pictures he believes he can give me the results I want. I haven't really thought that my cheeks looked saggy, but I'm no expert. My neck, lower face and wrinkly all over face are my concerns. I won't have a peel until December, though.
April 12, 2016
Wasn't implying that you needed any work on mid face....just saying that if you were considering a PS based on his use of a composite technique and were doing so because of its comprehensive type of lifting then the limitations of a lower SMAS lift should be part of the conversation/consult.
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April 12, 2016
Oh, grace, I did not think you were implying anything. I totally took it as you meant it and I appreciate you helping me formulate a very important question! I need to be educated about all aspects of this important step I'm taking!!
UPDATED FROM janetlee2468
2 months pre

It's on my calendar! Dr. Harley in Asheville, NC - June 9, 2016!

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Why the update before surgery?? After reading many reviews on Real Self and researching a variety of facelift procedures, I cancelled my original surgery date, which was May 16, and decided to have Dr. David Harley do my facelift. During my telephone consultation with him - as I sat in a friend's car outside of Starbucks - we talked about what bothered me most and what he thought he could accomplish. (He was looking at the five pictures I sent to him while we talked.) The final decision was for me to have a neck and lower face lift and possibly both a lower and upper blepharoplasty. I need a chemical peel to help diminish the MANY VERY NOTICEABLE wrinkles I have, but with summer almost here, I have chosen to put the peel off until December.
In case you are wondering? - I cancelled my original surgery date because the idea of being under a general anesthesia for 8 hours and getting a rather extensive surgery at a rather expensive price tag became less appealing and even overwhelming to me. When I kept reading the results some of the gals on this site were getting for less time spent under anesthetic and less money out of their pockets, I began second guessing my decision. Originally, I didn't think I could go out of state for my surgery, so I was happy to find a reputable doctor close to me, but I could only find two reviews regarding his composite facelifts - both excellent reviews, but I began to doubt my fairly hasty decision. Since I am 66, I wanted to have my reconstruction ASAP - before the summer of 2016; so, I probably rushed into my decision before really understanding or knowing everything there is to know about the many types of facelifts and what was best for me. I guess I should mention for you gals who may be battling the same thing I did - It was no easy task getting my husband on board with my decision to temporarily halt the scourge the great outdoors and genetics had done to my face! Yes, my husband is one of the biggest factors I initially looked for a fl surgeon strictly in Oklahoma. I honestly couldn't even tell him the total amount I would be spending!! Anyway, as the months went by (I scheduled the date of May 16th for my facelift on January 17th) I kept reading as much as I could and trying to convince myself I had made the right decision. Finally, I made the bold move of telling my husband what I was discovering on this site and that I was reconsidering my decision and wanted to find out what Dr. Harley could do. I have to tell you - he liked the idea of paying a lot less money for the surgery and he liked the idea of going to North Carolina! Lucky me!! So, I lost my $500 deposit when I cancelled my surgery, but by using Dr. Harley I will save enough money for my husband and I to drive the 14 hour drive to Asheville, stay in hotels and a vacation rental for 14 nights, eat, drink and be merry! LOL! Not only that, I will still have a couple of thousand more in my bank account than if I had my facelift in Oklahoma, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, Dr. Harley has so many wonderful reviews that I have few qualms about my decision to have an elective surgery that I know can be risky. I am not going to get the mid-face lift I would have gotten with Dr. Wayne, but I would rather not be worrying what 8 hours under general anesthesia might do to my brain down the road and the idea of the extensive recovery I was facing. By the way, A big part of the reason for the big savings is Dr. Harley does his procedure under local anesthetic in his office with no overnight stay in a facility. I really believe I have made the right decision this time! Yay!!! Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to blog about their journey - the good and the gruesome! You helped me re-think my decision, and you have helped me better prepare mentally for the rather tough recovery I will endure. One other thing I have gained from reading so many excellent stories is that I will NOT think of myself as selfish or vain!! I am a woman who wants to be the best I can be - while I still have time!!

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April 15, 2016
Amen to your last comments above! I told my sister we just have different priorities. I spent my money on my face and she spent hers on a new kitchen!
I'm so happy you've finally made a decision that you and your husband can both feel good about. The men in our lives do seem to have a hard time dealing with this.
Dr. Harley does beautiful work and I'm sure you will be happy.
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April 15, 2016
So good to hear from you, Vee! I really think the more extensive surgery would be best for me, but when I tried convincing him Costa Rica was where I should go, it was more than he could handle. He doesn't like to fly and he didn't want me to go alone. So, I think I will be happy with the results I get with the Biltmore lift. I have major wrinkles to deal with before I'll be completely satisfied, but I'm going to make a final decision about that after I see what my face looks like three or four months after surgery. How's everything going for you? I haven't read many updates in the past few days.
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April 15, 2016
I am more than happy with my results. I understand your husbands fear of flying as I struggle with that myself. I've just decided that I can't let that control my life. A quick prayer before take off always puts my mind at ease.
My Jeff was a little bothered about my traveling alone to another country, too. Oddly he seemed most concerned with my finding my way from the airport to Verdeza. Of course his mind was quickly put at ease when I told him I would be met there by Carlos.
I am sure you are going to be as happy with Dr. Harley's results as the other women here have been. Can't wait to see your results!
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April 15, 2016
LOL Vee! That's one of the first things my husband said - how would you get to the place from the airport? I told him I would be picked up and treated like a queen! I probably gave up too quickly, but when he said I should just have it done here, I opted for the place he could accept - Asheville. I'll be watching for your updates. Would like to know what your diet consists of to keep swelling at a minimum. Maybe you posted it somewhere?
April 15, 2016
I am so pleased to see you decided in Dr Harley. I am on day four and really pleased with how things have gone so far. I came from England to see him. I do have family in Georgia, but once I found Dr H and saw his results there was no question in my mind that he was the one for me. His staff has been fabulous and I have to say that the 24 hours I had with TLC taking care of me was just what I needed. My husband did not come with me and knowing his reaction to seeing me in pain in the past, I would have not wanted him to see me right after my surgery. My pain was not too bad at all, but I was a bit confused and the drain was a bit gross so I am pleased that's not a memory he'll have of me. I will look forward to seeing your progress in June. Congrats on making the bold decision to road trip it to NC and see Dr Harley. You won't regret it and Asheville is lovely too.
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April 15, 2016
Thanks, M&M! I've been following you and txan recently. Great story! I'm looking forward to seeing your results as I believe you and I may have some of the same things we want fixed!! Hope your recovery is fast and easy!
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April 15, 2016
I think it's txan I have more in common with!!! LOL! I guess she's unable to post?
April 15, 2016
She is doing well, but foes not have wifi right now. She should be back online on the. 18th
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April 16, 2016
Hi Jane I am a friend of texann u and I r the same age well until next month anyways Texans is doing fine where she is staying she doesn't have internet access that is why she hasn't been on the site I am glad ur getting the procedure done I am 4 weeks post o.o and love it and if Clyde as all the gals say wish I would have done it sooner
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April 16, 2016
Hey Pinkie! I've been following you and have appreciated your comments. I can only hope and pray I get similar results as yours, but I have wrinkles that will still be glaring back at me in the mirror until I have CO2 laser or the like. I'm waiting for Red to figure that one out! LOL I know I am not having Botox, but I may consider a filler? I saw where you got a filler and had been waiting for the black and blue lines where it was injected to dissipate. How's that going? I mentioned fat transfer Dr. Harley and he said he knows that is what everyone is talking about now, but he said if something goes wrong, there's little that can be done to fix it. I guess what I got from that was that he feels more confident with using fillers. I'm actually not sure what advantage the fat transfer has over the fillers. That's one more thing for me to look up! Would you recommend getting a filler? Dr. Harley said it lasts one to two years, gradually disappearing. I just want to be satisfied with my results and hope I don't continually wish for more stuff done! If my wrinkles are smoother, less noticeable with the lift, I'm hoping that I can just move on and not worry about another procedure. I will know the day before surgery if I am getting upper or lower bleph or both.
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April 15, 2016
I am so happy you changed your mind and going to Dr. Harley you will not be sorry and the money you save will be great just make sure wherever you stay they have a ice machine LOL you going to need it for the swelling after I am so glad you are scheduled good luck to you
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April 27, 2016
Pinkie! I bought one of those blue masks southernsister recommended. I hope that is going to come in handy? We are staying in a house in Maggie Valley and it has updated appliances so hope the ice machine works!! I'm trying to make sure I get the right
pillow(s) to take with me. I have one wedge pillow I bought a month ago I need something to keep my head from rolling back and forth but that won't touch the sides of my face. Any ideas?
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April 27, 2016
I bought a neck pillow I think I got it a TJMaxx, I really like it because it closes in the front and when I sleep elevated even if I go on my side to sleep it keeps my face raised off of the pillow that works really good but I did not start to sleep on my side until the 4th week pre op Good Luck what date is the procedure you know I just used a cold washcloth in ice water for my face someone told me the mask was a little heavy
April 16, 2016
Wishing you the best of luck; every human being deserves to look their best; there's nothing wrong with that.
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April 16, 2016
Thanks, zoziee! I realize how blessed I am to have the opportunity to roll back a few years. I guess the Fountain of Youth is found partially in the hands of skilled plastic surgeons!!
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April 27, 2016
Don't ever feel vain or selfish about doing something that makes you feel better about yourself. You deserve it. That's my philosophy. I've read so many good things about Dr. Harley...so glad you are going to Asheville; it's a beautiful city. Best wishes to you.
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April 27, 2016
Thanks, Maggie! After reading your review, I thought - geez - I could have gone there! LOL
I just saw so many good reviews of Dr. Harley and loved that he doesn't use general anesthesia! My original plan was to use a Doc here in my area, but I was always dreading the 8 hours of being under anesthesia he said it would take. I lost my $500 deposit - ouch! - but I'm not really scared of the surgery now so it was the best decision for me. We are making a vacation out of this trip and even taking our 10 and 15 year old grandsons! I had a difficult time choosing the right house for us to rent, but there were so many to look at!! I finally chose a two story home in Maggie Valley that has so many wonderful amenities that fit our lifestyle and the price was pretty reasonable! It's a 45 minute drive from Dr. Harley's office, but I was going to have to travel that far if I used the doctor in Oklahoma City.
UPDATED FROM janetlee2468
27 days pre

Honesty is Painful

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I guess it's time I put a few pictures up so we can all compare before and after restoration. I'm vain enough to think these bare naked pics don't really look like me - LOL It's AMAZING how a little makeup and a distant photo can make you feel okay about your face, but that's not reality. I just can't accept an old looking face when my inward spirit is so youthful. I'm thankful there is a remedy to that problem, and I have chosen it. I have come to realize through my consults and this site - much to my dismay- my wrinkles will not be all that diminished after my surgery, but if I'm able to be satisfied, I won't have anything else done. (That would make my husband extremely happy!) If I decide I have to get rid of more wrinkles, I'll likely go with some type of peel because the CO2 and fraxel laser scare me! In the meantime, I'm staying positive and hopeful that Dr. Harley can work a miracle on my neck, lower face and lower and possibly upper eyes! Love you RealSelf girlfriends! You're absolutely the best women in the world!!

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May 12, 2016
Hi Janet...I know how difficult it can be to put these kinds of pictures on this website for everyone to see. The one good thing is that most of the women here seeing them have pictures just like this whether they post them or not! Most of us actually look good for our age just like you do. The common thread here is that we all want to look good period. .without the age qualifier. I have seen dr. Harley do amazing work on the other ladies here and he is going to do the same thing for you! You're going to have beautiful results.
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May 13, 2016
Thanks, Viv for the words of support. Your friendship and advice mean a lot to me!
May 12, 2016
You have a pretty face to begin with so I know your results will be great! Good luck.
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May 13, 2016
Thank you for your comment! I love getting to know new people in this community! I'm excited about what's ahead!
May 13, 2016
You are seriously gorgeous already with all that joy and good energy radiating from you! I can't wait to see your afters.
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May 13, 2016
You are so sweet! I know what's in the mirror, but it's nice to hear a compliment! Still watching your fabulous confirmation, you adorable youngster!!
May 13, 2016
I mean it, I really do! :-)
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May 13, 2016
:) ***
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May 13, 2016
That was supposed to say, "restoration" not confirmation, for Pete's sake! ;)
May 13, 2016
Thanks for sharing your story. At 56, I look very similar to you and am a product of being a 5th generation Floridian who grew up on the water and outdoors. I have agonized about a neck lift and face lift for 2 or three years and feel guilty about the money, vanity and time and what I could do for my kids or retirement. I have seen several doctors and finally found one I think I like, but I can't seem to pull the trigger. I hate what I see in the mirror everyday and don't want to wait too long and not enjoy the results. I will be keeping your surgery in my thoughts and prayers and you will be an inspiration to me. Thanks. I might even drive to NC too and see Dr. Harley and get out of the Florida heat!
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May 13, 2016
ginny - This is certainly a very personal decision and it seems like women come to it in different ways but in similar ways, as well. I'm pretty much over feeling guilty or vain, and I have the money even though I am in no way wealthy, but I do still feel a little uneasy about going back to my church and wondering if people will think I'm self absorbed. I don't care, but I do care...I don't want to care, but truthfully, it's difficult not to care what others may think about you. Mostly, I am just hanging with the positive people in my life - those who know me inside and out and realize it's only my business what I do. These dear family and friends know I am a caring and kind person who has a positive outlook on life and that won't change just because I'm having my face somewhat restored. You will find so many kindhearted, intelligent women in this RS community. I'm very grateful to have found so many supportive new friends!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I hope to hear from you again.
May 13, 2016
Great advice. Thanks.
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May 21, 2016
I so relate to everything you just said, including the church part. I am not telling anyone but my daughter, husband and a close friend. I work with a lot of people who barely get by and I don't want them to think badly of me for spending my money on something so "vain" . I am hoping to come up with something to explain my "fresher look" without lying.
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May 22, 2016
Giver, if you're going to be off from work a few weeks, maybe you can say the much needed vacation and a "facial" made the difference?!? What doctor are you going to use?
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May 22, 2016
Great idea ! Dr. Parfitt in Madison Wi.
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May 13, 2016
Janet your features are wonderful you have great bone structure and once he is done with you Your going to look wonderful and so refreshed your verticle lines in your neck are exactly what I had and he can do wonders with them, I can't wait to see you in person and your results you are going to be so pretty thanks for posting those pictures join the rest of us girl we are all honest on this site
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May 13, 2016
Hey Pink! I can't get away from that cute nickname! I'm really looking forward to meeting you - really wish we could have some time to talk by ourselves, but I'm not sure how that can happen since my husband will be with me - we'll see. My son asked me tonight if I was going to look different - it really took me by surprise, so I just laughed because I didn't really know what to say. I definitely don't want to look like someone else, but it's difficult to tell someone who isn't used to hearing terms like "refreshed" and "rested" that you're having a facelift just to look like you're more awake or something! LOL I guess I need to figure out how to explain in a very simple way what I'm expecting my outcome to be!