Rhinoplasty . New York, NY
Quick Note to Community (mainly just those who are following my posts)
I just want to let anyone know, who has contacted me recently, or in the past, that I will get to your messages eventually but I am feeling a bit overwhelmed right now.
A lot has piled up and I keep putting off responding, and I apologize because so many of you have been very helpful and understanding.
I know there's more than 15 people awaiting my pms alone and that's the only reason I am typing this up as an update.
I just don't have the mind power to let each of you know individually.
(Since I usually write such LONG messages as I like to cover everything we speak about thoroughly)
But don't worry.
And don't think I am ignoring you.
Chances are I have read your messages/emails or replies to comments (even if they were months ago!), but have simply been trying to sort some other things out, off this site.
I will get to them all as soon as I can though.
I apologize.
If it's anything urgent, then please just state the urgency in the title of your message to me and I will try to get to it before all the others that I have neglected.
I also have been commenting here and there so I may seem very active on this site when really, I have not been as much.
Even tho my last update was such a short time ago, the messages I have let build up have finally compiled to something I can't touch at the moment.
So please bear with me.
Thank you so much~
..Hopefully this isn't an annoyance to anyone who this does not apply to.
I am sorry it's not a "real" update.
But I hope to have one as soon as I begin to take some more steps forward.
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I appreciate that people are following my journey!


I got your message from 48&counting!! I'd give you my email through comments but I don't believe that is allowed :((
Sayonara Sweet Sweet Swelling :_(
Some of these pics (aka pre-op and swelling) are from over 5 years ago. Refer to the rest of my review for the accurate timeline and current photos/issues.
I am only digging up and posting these photos to show people how much swelling goes down over such a long period of time.
And how for some of us...that is a very Unfortunate occurrence.
So for those of you worrying about how "huge" your nose is early post -op.
Trust me, it gets smaller.
And I say smaller and not better because...well...see for yourself.
My swelling disappearing only unearthed the Ruin beneath.
Swelling is a double edged sword.
And since we all swell, we never really know which side we get in the end.
Until much much later.
Here's hoping you aren't on the side I was.
Note: And if this is the first post of mine you are reading...yes..I am already aware that my pre-op nose did not need to be touched.
Unfortunately I was young and trusted the wrong person to make a "small" change.
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I was hoping this was it.. But I can see form your pics just how much it changes.
Mine tingles where the collapse side is, and now worryingly the other side has started to tingle in the same way. In sure my 'good' side is starting to deteriorate.
Did you notice any weird tingling / itching sensations?
My right side is very sensitive and so is my bridge because so much was taken from the sides.
There's not really much "coping" when your nose goes from a "10" to a "-10" .
I don't even have financial or familial support.
I'm struggling as well.
Mainly spend my time researching revision until my eyes bleed.
And No to the itching.
So annoying and confusing.
The fact that you picked that picture alone, to tell me I am over exaggerating is beyond me.
It's not just a little pinched or thin. It is completely uneven, asymmetric, my nostrils are retracted and splaying out because so much soft tissue has been removed, it tilts to the side base view, looks deviated because one side of my tip has a hard lump and the other is flat and sharp, my bridge has sharp edges and is also flat...and again uneven, there is absolutely not one good Thing about my nose at the moment.
Besides maybe the over all dorsal line from profile view (but even THEN, you'd have to squint your eyes to not see the 2-d look and the little pebble bump)
It doesn't even look like a nose it that pic alone.
I have been told by many doctors that the issues are significant.
Something I already know.
Breathing from my left side is nearly impossible 90% of the time and my right side is no better despite having had a septoplasty.
That septoplasty that didn't even work is going to cost me valuable grafting material that most other first time revision patients would have intact.
I do not see how I am exaggerating at all.
I don't know how you got to this post but if you looked at all my pictures...you would see why I am so upset. (Well..maybe not)
I usually don't get these types of comments but in the last 2 weeks I have been getting a sudden influx of them and I don't know why.
Some say I should sue yet now people want to tell me I need to heal on an emotional level and that my nose isn't "that bad".
Define "that bad".
Please.
And also point me in the direction of a nose you WOULD deem "terrible" or "awful".
I would be very interested to see what THAT looked like.
(I am 100% serious and I am not being sarcastic whatsoever)
I know some people on here think (or just say) bad results are good ones, I have showed a family member a nose that was twisted up and mashed into a person's face and they still saw nothing wrong with it. So I realize people like that are out there. I don't know why their minds see physical defects and turn with such casual abandonment. But they do.
However..THAT is an under- reaction.
Mine is an on-par reaction.
I have a bad result.
Period.
A very bad result.
An unacceptable result.
The worst ever?
No.
But..."NOT that bad"???
also NO.
I have recieved cruel comments in public about it as well.
My old nose was one of my best features and now it has been butchered.
(Will I be admonished for using the word "butchered" as well^^??)
I will never get it back.
Maybe most people on this site didn't have good noses to begin with and do not have it this bad so it is impossible to understand.
But to look at my pictures and dismiss my concerns as
simply a display of misplaced grief and suffering is...honestly...nauseating.
In a gut-wrenching sort of way.
I do not understand comments like these. But tears are rolling down my eyes as I write this because
It is actually extremely hurtful.
And it is confusing, not because I am already confused but because 'when the sky is blue and suddenly people start telling you it's red'...well.. you might start to feel a little mad.
I will already have people in my life and primary surgeons to deal with who will refuse to validate or give credence to, any of my concerns.
I came to this site for support.
And to give it back as well.
And I will not type out my review like a robot.
I will show my emotion through words and if the words are too much for some people, then I don't know what to tell you.
I have seen PLENTY of people with near perfect noses and people whose noses REALLY aren't THAT bad complain and lament more than I do.
Go have a visit with their reviews.
They are the ones who can benefit from this type of commentary.
Not me.
I am not a patient who is simply dissatisfied with their result.
And it's not even the fact that the surgery shouldn't have happened.
It's the fact that THIS is what I am left with on my face.
It's the physical result itself that has caused my outcry.
Not just the fact that it was done.
I do not like to respond to comments this way, at all.
Especially when they are seemingly written with good and heartfelt intentions.
For all I know, we have had a conversation in the past and it had been a pleasant one but I am just going to go off this comment alone and say :
You have hurt me.
In this moment, you have hurt me.
If this truly is your honesty then I question the way you see people and the world as far as aesthetics and basic human assessment of "good" and "bad" go.
I don't question mine.
I suppose my reply in itself may be seen as an overreaction.
But I think I have a right to be frustrated and if people truly believe I don't, then so be it.
It's very unfortunate that, even in this community, those of us with, yes, THAT BAD, results, are psycho-analyzed instead of having our physical predicament appreciated.
Perhaps I will visit this comment again and not reply with what I am sure some will see as bitterness.
But I also ask that you revisit as well. My own review. Take another look at my pictures.
Truly take it all in.
I am still surprised that even a glance would elicit the words you have just typed to me.
But maybe it takes a harder look for some.
I don't know.
I don't know how people like that work.
I Didn't realize I was only allowed to post once on this site and then required to shut up about it...
if I was a "positive Polly" instead of a "negative Nancy" would I still have to keep my story so short??
It is to my understanding that the point of this site is to document our experiences. Emotions included. Negative included.
And to update accordingly.
I'm sorry I'm not inherently lucky or wealthy and can't update with some news that is drastically different than I usually do.
I see on your review that you got a good result and a "worth it".
You don't know how it feels to have this happen to you.
I am researching.
I am doing all a person in my position can do at this moment.
And documenting everything I am going through is one of those things.
I have recieved valuable information from continuously posting, I have made positive connections with other people from posting, I can help people who would otherwise feel alone or not know the ugly side of rhinoplasty..by posting.
This site isn't perfect and I've already made a post about that.
But this site doesn't make me relive my experience.
There is no RE-living it when it is currently still happening.
It's not like I got my car totaled and then decided to go sit in the garage and blog about how my car got totaled.
It's a nose. It's on my face.
No escaping it or locking it up.
No quick fix or insurance policy for a person's own aesthetic anatomy, unfortunately.
I'm going to post and blog my "little wounded heart" out and if people don't want to listen to it then they don't have to read it.
Simple as that.
"Worth it" users need to stop pushing "Not Worth It" users away from this site.
It's already bad enough that the statistics are skewed by false reviewing.
This is my story and it is terrible and it will be written about even if it continues to be terrible.
Because it's the truth.
No exaggeration going on.
As far as "attempting to [enjoy myself]"...
I've already wasted over 5 years of my life side stepping this issue and it's time for me to keep it in the forefront.
I didn't just wake up one morning and decide to hate my nose and "devote my life to the Internet".
It has been a long and hellish journey.
Do not persuade me to begin to step backwards now that I have come this far.
I will not pursue life in ignorance of what was done to the face I reside behind.
That is terrible advice.
At least, for me.
I just tried to explain everything the best way I could in my previous comment.
But again in short:
It doesn't make me think about it anymore than I do when I'm not on here.
The only difference is that here, I write it down.
And elsewhere it just stays within the confines of the mind.
A successful Revision is the only postive I need to be thinking about right now.

I've seen a lot bigger noses come down like 3 sizes before too.
Usually for those people, it is a good thing though.
And you are welcome, I know I said I would send you the pics over email but I figured it'd be good for everyone else to see them as well.
I know there is one poster dealing with swelling that is pretty devastating right now.
I've gotta remember her name and tell her to come see.
Particularly on my nose.
Things show more.
And plus my doc took away all my soft tissue, so it's a double whammy for having his bad work be so visible through my skin.
As for the bossae, I'm not so sure I have that. My defining tip points have always shown through my skin and I actually liked that. If you look closely at my earlier pics..you can see them showing. (Albeit in a much more symmetric, appealing way...Amy Adams for example, is someone who has thin skin with defining tip points that show through..and it looks attractive)
But now, because my doc sutured them together, the look has become twisted/asymmetric and warped. Which makes them look like the knuckling bossae.
My right side is all poking through an abnormal amount as more tissue was taken from my right side.
Since my nostrils are retracting, my skin is also being stretched back thinner from by base and tip, making these poorly sutured (and now warped) defining points even MORE noticeable.
L-
I cannot believe a surgeon would take your cartilage out AND MASH AND FLATTEN IT. My god!
I would have a heart attack. You are right, that is not the normal thing to do. I think the normal thing do to is simply rearranging of the cartilages and trying to undo poor suturing. Along with grafts to keep everything in place. Also, fascia I think is now used to cover sharp edges.
And yes bobin, she's right, you would have both seen and felt signs by now. Although it gets worse with time, it will still start to show at the 1 year mark. That's the time when I first went to my primary doc and got turned away.
He said they weren't significant enough to do revision.
Was he being honest?
Who knows.
I think my nose was certainly worse, even then, than he admitted to it being.
I can't remember exactly.
But I am glad even if he lied to me, because it prevented me from rushing into surgery with the wrong person again. I think it was unhealthy of me to wait THIS long but at the very least, I did not make the fatal mistake most first time revisionists make. Going back under with the same Doctor.
Inability to Edit our Own Words..??
Also, In reading some comments to my review, I see that a lot of people are commenting on my first two posts as if they are the most recent/only posts.
Because the earliest ones are the ones that show up first and most people don't scroll down all the way, especially for long reviews like my own.
So In seeing how this can be misleading, I have had to read over my first few posts to understand the context in which some people were commenting to me.
And Well, it looks like I was pretty emotional and "honest" during my first few posts.
And now I'm not so sure that's a good thing, as things that may have been "true" to me then, may not be any longer...Now that I have done some research and calmed down a bit.
Don't get me wrong.
I still feel the same about my nose, maybe even worse, knowing now what REALLY goes into this revision and the journey.
But the WAY I spoke was a bit too raw and more like a diary entry than a review.
To be honest, when I first came on this site, I thought I had found an outlet and I was under the impression that only other patients would be reading my words.
I wanted to help them.
And I wanted them to help me.
I was also unaware that I would never be able to edit my posts.
That is actually quite disturbing.
In almost every other form of social media, we are able to "take things back" and accidents and mistakes can be wiped away with a "delete" button. I am not personally associated or fond of social media but I think most people who are, have posted a cringey photo or statement only to look at it later and say to themselves "Did I really post that?"
And since RealSelf is not strictly a cut and dry anonymous review site, I think the same rules should apply that apply to all other forms of social media.
We should have DIRECT ownership of our own words and photos.
We should have the right to edit as we so desire.
If reviews are being removed for no other reason than the site being "paid off" to do so.
Then things are already NOT operating on strict nor solid ground.
And the same freedoms that this site seems to sometimes use with out intellectual property and stories, SHOULD, at the very least, also be given to the posters themselves.
I would absolutely not want to remove my whole review but certain things I would like to change the wording of, and considering what I've been through, I should be able to.
And so should others.
Our posts should not be as permanent as our bad results if we don't want them to be.
I feel like this site is holding many people hostage.
People say things in a much different manner when they are in their most extreme period of pain and hurt. And we are often confused and say things that may not make sense or may even be worrisome because we ourselves, can't make sense of the situation just yet.
And we, understandably so, ARE worried.
I don't think most people know what this site really IS before they decide to spill their whole life's woes on here.
Myself included.
If every person were to share their life stories with the world, with the same emotion that is felt behind closed doors, then we would probably ALL think each other mad.
And we don't need surgeons who could possibly save us from our situation..reading things that would normally have never made it outside our bedroom walls.
SANE people say 'crazy' things in 'crazy' ways when they are thrown into 'crazy' situations.
That's a normal thing.
And plastic surgery, especially with poor results, is the 'abnormal' thing.
But I could see how, being a stranger, seeing these things written out, may cause them to shy away from the person writing them.
Even if the poster has valid concerns.
And even if the one reading these posts, has the skill and the experience to help the poster physically. (And thus, quite significantly, emotionally as well.)
I would imagine the reason for this would be because:
There ARE actual nutters out there and I bet everyone, patients and doctors alike, have encountered at least one.
But there will be times in our lives where we will all sound nuts.
I'm sure if patients heard the things that their doctors said or did in their own home, they may be terrified of that Doctor.
Even IF, when it all comes down to it, he/she wields the hand of God in the operating room.
But doctors aren't likely to go spilling their guts online.
So we will most likely never see the side of them that they can see of us... Here on RealSelf.
I believe there are good things about this site and I will not leave. But not being able to edit our own posts is something that should be changed.
As soon as possible.
Personally, I think there are upsides to revealing everything in a moment to others.
But perhaps we should at least be able to pick and choose WHO we share it all with.
There should be private settings or something.
Some stuff should be shared with everyone and some should not, and we, as the users, should be able to control what is our own.
As for me, I think most of my stuff is okay to stay, even my photos, right now I am okay with keeping them up.
But what if I change my mind in the future?
What kind of Hell will I have to go through to remove what I end up wanting to remove?
And how will I do it without compromising all the stuff I would like to stay in order to help others?
Not knowing this does not make me feel safe.
I would like to feel safe as a user of this site.
And I would like most of what I put on here to end up helping me rather than hurting me.
I think many others feel the same.
I hope heavy improvements are made to this site in the very near future.
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Idk
You have been here much longer than me, right?
Lol I wonder if I even look at dates on here
I just know its super inconvenient to not be able to edit our posts. I didn't know that doctors come on here and scan things up and down to such an intense degree. Honestly, the reviews should only be for the patients.
I was thinking about the moderator thing but I believe you have to tell them what to do and there's no way I could have them edit my "wording" to a bunch of stuff.
They would probably just have to completely remove whatever chunk of it I wanted to change..:/
Yea, I feel like there are good things that come out of honest reviews and changing them might hinder the way in which they are seen by-and help-others. So maybe it's good that we can't edit them.
But you are right, it should still not be okay for the site to censor and have reviews removed completely which are honest and non-threatening.
(I think they remove a lot of harmless comments as well. )
I remember-in the beginning- my first two attempts at posting my review were denied and I was told to exclude some facts and wording about how I was feeling.
I don't think that was right.
Makemeheal forum and here.
The doctors have their assistants keep an eye on absolutely everything going on online, esp this site.
It's a virtual revolution on both sides. That's why people are so paranoid. Some believe doctors or their paid "people" even make up fake accounts and message people in order to see who would be a pain if they'd accept them as a patient. And also some docs do it to get defamation proof to use against prior patients.
Ofcourse, I'm sure there are also a few surgeons who pay no mind to it. But I think a lot of the good ones have learned to become "too" internet savvy.

I did get a chance to read you comment the other day but did not get a chance to respond. Now I wish I did.
This is scary.
My review better not be touched.
The comments from the CMs are making me feel uneasy.
I thought moderators were other patients.
So idk why this is happening.
We are just speaking our opinions.
No threats or profanity is being used whatsoever.
No need for censorship to take place in this case.
Have you had this trouble with them before??
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But as long as you check the captions in the pics, the physical aspect should be clear.