POSTED UNDER Rhinoplasty REVIEWS
Rhinoplasty . New York, NY
ORIGINAL POST
I had my nose done by Dr. Jon Turk and Dr. Mark...
I had my nose done by Dr. Jon Turk and Dr. Mark Erlich from Profiles and Contours.
The result is not simply unsatisfactory. At the same time I find I can't even use the word "botch" because it seems it is reserved for specific cases where a person practically loses have their nose or everything "falls apart".
At the same time, I know that this procedure has left my nose as the absolute bane of my existence, it is what I can only describe as "very wrong". My nose was near perfect before but I didn't know this at the time. My parents told me No so many times but I believe I had BDD then and low self esteem so I focused on one body part and blamed it for all my problems. Even though it was actually one of my best features, and now I would do ANYTHINGto have it back. Any competent Dr. Would have turned me away and never agreed to operate, esp cosmetically, on a nose as good as mine was. I was in a vulnerable position and I wish a professional would have had the mind to tell me No. Especially seeing as I was just a teen and clearly had nothing wrong with my nose. Unfortunately that did not happen.
I had the surgery and 4.5 years later -
My nose, my face, my confidence, my hope, has all been stolen from me.
My Dr. Thinned out my bridge so much that it feels flat and boxy. I can see and feel bone and sharp edges. My nose overall looks "strange", esp with regards to my face. It is too small. It is not smooth what so ever. The tip has one rounder side on my left, and one flatter/sharper side on my right. My bridge does not meet my tip. When I feel my nose, I feel a big, bally tip attached to a thin, boxy bridge. It feels so weird, it's hard for me to wash my face without crying. Even avoiding pics and Mirrors isn't enough for me because my problems can be felt. Quite dramatically. There are numerous problems with my nose including too much nostril show. I'm not sure what causes this? Is taking away too much tissue the cause? Idk. I just know my nose isn't even a nose anymore, it's an ugly alien feature on my poor face. I have had comments about it, one was from a fellow person I met in therapy. I don't leave the house. These past few weeks I've felt my body shutting down as a result of my mind adjusting to the reality of my situation. I can't eat more than one meal a day. I haven't showered or even brushed my teeth. I just sob and sit on my couch wondering how this happened. I didn't know a human being could be this dead inside and still be breathing. Which brings me to another issue. My operation was a septo-rhino for a barely deviated septum. Now i can't breathe through my left side. I have to stick my finger in my nose and press my left side into my right side in order to get relief. But don't get me wrong, the breathing part plays no role in my emotional turmoil. It is wholly the cosmetic nightmarish outcome that has turned my life and identity upside down.
All I do is look for revision surgeons but they are all so far away and some charge consult fees, also as soon as I think I've found a good one, I read something bad, or have doubt.
Also it's expensive, Idk how much longer I can hold oUT Hope.
I also don't know if a Surgeon will agree to operate on someone who has such emotional distress as I do. But how can I not?
This is My Face.
This is what I show to the world.
And to myself, in the mirror everyday.
This is the horrifying nose I feel with my fingers and see in both real life and pics.
This is the decision that brought my life to a screeching hault.
I don't know if Drs understand the psychological turmoil a bad result causes.
Which is why I'm writing this review.
To help others.
To warn you.
I thought I did my research.
I thought I needed a nose job when CLEARLY that was not the case.
Think more than twice about touching your face.
I believe there are actually very few people who can benefit substantially from a nose job. That includes trauma victims and people with natural deformities or blatant nose structures that interfere with the rest of their facial harmony and thus their self confidence.
I see many people on this site with lovely noses that they want to change and I want to shake them and say "No! Don't touch your beautiful face!" I want to save someone from what I could not be saved from. All I wish is to go into the past and run out of that operating room. I wouldn't care what happened from doing so, I would be smiling and shouting with Joy could I go back knowing what I know now. To think about it, brings me to tears. I feel as though I am grieving my own death. The beautiful girl I once was is gone. My nose being botched has caused my personhood to be torn to shreds as well. I'm no longer Me. Inside and Out.
To all you beautiful souls out there, when you risk your face, you risk who you are as well! Don't do it! If you have even the slightest doubt or if family is telling you NO WAY, if psychologists tell you you may have BDD, if anything at all, please don't have elective cosmetic surgery! Do it for me, do it for yourself! At least let my review let you see that bad results are not a work of fiction, they are very real, even when your young and your surgeon promises you will be just fine, just perfect. Trust me, it's not the case.
A good, lasting revision is a hope that seems to elude me at every corner.
The result is not simply unsatisfactory. At the same time I find I can't even use the word "botch" because it seems it is reserved for specific cases where a person practically loses have their nose or everything "falls apart".
At the same time, I know that this procedure has left my nose as the absolute bane of my existence, it is what I can only describe as "very wrong". My nose was near perfect before but I didn't know this at the time. My parents told me No so many times but I believe I had BDD then and low self esteem so I focused on one body part and blamed it for all my problems. Even though it was actually one of my best features, and now I would do ANYTHINGto have it back. Any competent Dr. Would have turned me away and never agreed to operate, esp cosmetically, on a nose as good as mine was. I was in a vulnerable position and I wish a professional would have had the mind to tell me No. Especially seeing as I was just a teen and clearly had nothing wrong with my nose. Unfortunately that did not happen.
I had the surgery and 4.5 years later -
My nose, my face, my confidence, my hope, has all been stolen from me.
My Dr. Thinned out my bridge so much that it feels flat and boxy. I can see and feel bone and sharp edges. My nose overall looks "strange", esp with regards to my face. It is too small. It is not smooth what so ever. The tip has one rounder side on my left, and one flatter/sharper side on my right. My bridge does not meet my tip. When I feel my nose, I feel a big, bally tip attached to a thin, boxy bridge. It feels so weird, it's hard for me to wash my face without crying. Even avoiding pics and Mirrors isn't enough for me because my problems can be felt. Quite dramatically. There are numerous problems with my nose including too much nostril show. I'm not sure what causes this? Is taking away too much tissue the cause? Idk. I just know my nose isn't even a nose anymore, it's an ugly alien feature on my poor face. I have had comments about it, one was from a fellow person I met in therapy. I don't leave the house. These past few weeks I've felt my body shutting down as a result of my mind adjusting to the reality of my situation. I can't eat more than one meal a day. I haven't showered or even brushed my teeth. I just sob and sit on my couch wondering how this happened. I didn't know a human being could be this dead inside and still be breathing. Which brings me to another issue. My operation was a septo-rhino for a barely deviated septum. Now i can't breathe through my left side. I have to stick my finger in my nose and press my left side into my right side in order to get relief. But don't get me wrong, the breathing part plays no role in my emotional turmoil. It is wholly the cosmetic nightmarish outcome that has turned my life and identity upside down.
All I do is look for revision surgeons but they are all so far away and some charge consult fees, also as soon as I think I've found a good one, I read something bad, or have doubt.
Also it's expensive, Idk how much longer I can hold oUT Hope.
I also don't know if a Surgeon will agree to operate on someone who has such emotional distress as I do. But how can I not?
This is My Face.
This is what I show to the world.
And to myself, in the mirror everyday.
This is the horrifying nose I feel with my fingers and see in both real life and pics.
This is the decision that brought my life to a screeching hault.
I don't know if Drs understand the psychological turmoil a bad result causes.
Which is why I'm writing this review.
To help others.
To warn you.
I thought I did my research.
I thought I needed a nose job when CLEARLY that was not the case.
Think more than twice about touching your face.
I believe there are actually very few people who can benefit substantially from a nose job. That includes trauma victims and people with natural deformities or blatant nose structures that interfere with the rest of their facial harmony and thus their self confidence.
I see many people on this site with lovely noses that they want to change and I want to shake them and say "No! Don't touch your beautiful face!" I want to save someone from what I could not be saved from. All I wish is to go into the past and run out of that operating room. I wouldn't care what happened from doing so, I would be smiling and shouting with Joy could I go back knowing what I know now. To think about it, brings me to tears. I feel as though I am grieving my own death. The beautiful girl I once was is gone. My nose being botched has caused my personhood to be torn to shreds as well. I'm no longer Me. Inside and Out.
To all you beautiful souls out there, when you risk your face, you risk who you are as well! Don't do it! If you have even the slightest doubt or if family is telling you NO WAY, if psychologists tell you you may have BDD, if anything at all, please don't have elective cosmetic surgery! Do it for me, do it for yourself! At least let my review let you see that bad results are not a work of fiction, they are very real, even when your young and your surgeon promises you will be just fine, just perfect. Trust me, it's not the case.
A good, lasting revision is a hope that seems to elude me at every corner.
Replies (124)
February 15, 2016
I think if you search hard you will find a talented surgeon to fix this. I know you are going through a lot emotionally but when you are ready, go to many consultations and pick a surgeon that does a ton of noses. This website helped me find my surgeon. I looked for 2 years straight. Best wishes you can overcome this.
February 15, 2016
Thank you, I hope I can find someone. I have also been researching extensively on both old and new forums on makemeheal message boards. It seems even the best revision specialists have patients with bad experiences though. It's all very time consuming, expensive, and emotionally exhaustive without even a single guarantee. It's hard to have hope.
February 15, 2016
I am glad you are on the right track. Take this awful experience and turn it into something you will overcome and learn from. i narrowed my search down to 2 doctors after 2 years of messaging their patients and looking at photos. I had 2 consultations with the surgeon I ultimately went with....a year apart. It takes time and is a bit draining, I can relate! Best wishes:-)
February 20, 2016
I'm glad your research paid off in the end. Thank you for the encouragement.
February 20, 2016
Check out Dr. Gary Motykie his website shows some impressive revisions. I actually tried contacting them when I started my search through email but didn't move forward.....he does virtual consultations I think.
February 15, 2016
You're still a very beautiful girl! Maybe there's an non operative option with fillers?
February 15, 2016
Thank you. I don't want any temporary solution that may harm me when I finally can get a revision. I hear fillers are not good ESP if you want to get surgery later on. It seems the best revision rhinoplasty specialists are against fillers. Still, Thank you again for the comment. I wouldn't wish this situation on my worst enemy.
October 29, 2016
I will keep you updated on my revision with glasgold (I look like a swollen yellow avatar at the moment), so give me a few weeks. Haha. But interestingly...you know my feelings on ErIc Joseph, which are not good and I was anti fillers too. Alvin glasgold (Roberts father) was apparently someone who early on trained people in the permanent fillers. It was implied they knew Eric because he had done some training there in permanent fillers. My point - Robert mentioned using them, which surprised me! But they don't push it like Eric does, more of a last resort it wanting to avoid surgery. . I think he is the kind of surgeon who's so talented he doesn't need them but unlike the two other woman who had nose jobs with him where he didn't mention fillers, he did to me. That my nose may be difficult to close reach close to perfect symmetry in a few spots and fillers may be something to consider if that's the case. (My nose was pretty jacked). I agree to avoid them if you want revision but just wanted to let you know that glasgold group does use them too and I know we have discussed how good they are and highly respected, etc. so don't be run off by the permanent filler thing. Another thing to talk to him about if you have a consult. hope this helps. I'll be in touch about my nose
October 29, 2016
Sorry about a few typos there. Hopefully you get my point. And the more I look at your pics and knowing how good Robert is with tips I REALLy want you to go talk to him.
October 30, 2016
Yea Joseph REALLY pushes those fillers...I mean Good God.
Every question he answers on this site is like a copy n paste "fillers fillers , Fillers are where it's at"
-_-
As long as Dr.Robert doesnt push them or rely on them if something doesn't go right ...then i will be okay...it's just that I will absolutely never use fillers, so I don't want them to think it's even an option..don't want it to be a plan b if something is off after my revision...I've got to get a good result without those.
(Even more so..now because the dang skin thing..if it goes away, I will still be very very careful with putting anything on it. Never mind injecting anything under it..eek)
Unless, God-forbid, my other issue never resolves, I will still be going to consult with Glasgold, I think it's a good place to start even if I don't end up choosing him. I had trouble even finding someone RELATIVELY close that I felt comfortable going to as my first step, so I don't have any plans to change that.
Just a waiting game for me right now.
No worries on letting me know how you are doing..you can contact me again on your own time, I know it's not easy healing and going through the emotional aspect of the new nose you are looking at..ESPECIALLY a revision.
I am wishing you the best and hoping that it turns out really lovely.
Every question he answers on this site is like a copy n paste "fillers fillers , Fillers are where it's at"
-_-
As long as Dr.Robert doesnt push them or rely on them if something doesn't go right ...then i will be okay...it's just that I will absolutely never use fillers, so I don't want them to think it's even an option..don't want it to be a plan b if something is off after my revision...I've got to get a good result without those.
(Even more so..now because the dang skin thing..if it goes away, I will still be very very careful with putting anything on it. Never mind injecting anything under it..eek)
Unless, God-forbid, my other issue never resolves, I will still be going to consult with Glasgold, I think it's a good place to start even if I don't end up choosing him. I had trouble even finding someone RELATIVELY close that I felt comfortable going to as my first step, so I don't have any plans to change that.
Just a waiting game for me right now.
No worries on letting me know how you are doing..you can contact me again on your own time, I know it's not easy healing and going through the emotional aspect of the new nose you are looking at..ESPECIALLY a revision.
I am wishing you the best and hoping that it turns out really lovely.
February 15, 2016
so sorry to hear your story, especially at the age of 17 , the doctor you have chose seems to lack talent, considering you listed that you paid 13000$, roughly double the cost of most rhinoplasty ( I paid 6800 ) you should check back with the doctor and make it clear that you are not happy with the results, best of luck looking into a revision, and remember to keep your head up and do your research wisely
February 16, 2016
Thank you. I believe plastic surgery tends to be a lot more expensive in New York, no matter who you go too. It is unfortunate. I probably will have to go back to original surgeon to ask them exactly what they did to my nose so I can pass this info on to my revision surgeon. I would never let my primary surgeon(s) ever touch my nose again, a huge part of me hopes they will give me back some of my money so I can get my revision, as I, nor my family has much money. And yes, i am researching as much as I can. Currently most of my research stems from makemeheal forums. I will travel out of state and across country, whatever it takes to find the doctor best fit for my situation. If you, or anyone you know, by any chance, has info or experience getting a revision, please send them my way to talk. I appreciate your reply to my ordeal. Thank you again.
February 16, 2016
did you make sure to address your aesthetic desires when consulting with your surgeon? for example, shave down the hump, refine tip, narrow the base.... these are all very important factors you need to address to your surgeon so its clear what you are looking for, most ppl assume by just going to a surgeon he would craft the nose the way they like before addressing what they want and just going under the knife..... very important... as of me I am very pleased 2 weeks post op and would try my best in helping... but tbh you did over pay by alot, I am roughly 8 hours away from NY and would have made the trip to save 6k imho
February 16, 2016
Aesthic93-I am sure you are trying to be helpful. I feel like she probably realizes all of the above and and in hindsight would have done things differently. Regardless of overpaying that is the last thing she needs to hear given her situation. What's done is done and she is probably trying to move forward. It's great that you are happy with your surgery.
February 27, 2016
please check out Dr.Grigoryants in Glendale, California! My hearts goes out to you xx
February 16, 2016
As hard as it is to have my rhino turn out so bad, I am glad that my experience will not be in vain as long as I can help one person not make the same decision I did. I am glad you are changing your mind. If you ever start to think you need surgery again, just come back to my story and pictures. It's not worth it. Bad things happen more often then we think. This site has too many "good" reviews and is not a good depiction of the reality of the Plastic Surgery Industry....which is many devastated patients.
February 16, 2016
Good Afternoon:
Sorry to hear about your ordeal. My heart goes out to you. I had a Septoplasty/Rhinoplasty procedure a year and a half ago to correct a failed Septoplasty procedure from December 2010. What factors are you using to determine which doctor you will select to perform your revision rhinoplasty?
Sorry to hear about your ordeal. My heart goes out to you. I had a Septoplasty/Rhinoplasty procedure a year and a half ago to correct a failed Septoplasty procedure from December 2010. What factors are you using to determine which doctor you will select to perform your revision rhinoplasty?
February 20, 2016
I'm trying to find someone who specializes in revision rhinoplasty, has a good track record in the interweb (review sites, forums, patient stories), and whose aesthetic I like.
July 4, 2016
There actually aren't as many bad surgeries as you think. Plastic surgery now a days is so advanced and its done minimally while also achieving the maximum benefit. Its natural if you go to the right Doctor- which there are plenty of amazing plastic surgeons out there. I know many people who have had plastic surgery and all of them had amazing results. I just had my nose done and I couldn't be happier. yes some results are poor and that is devasting, but I would say this website is an accurate depiction because plastic surgery isn't as scary as it's made out to be anymore. Pick your surgeon based on natural real looking noses that doesn't make it seem like they have been touched. It takes a ton of effort to pick the correct plastic surgeon for you, but once you do, you have a higher chance of being satisfied with your result.
UPDATED FROM w.h.i.g.
4 years post
More POST OP photos
Hello,
Here are some more post op photos taken on all different days from all different angles in all different lighting. I never wear makeup/foundation or anything so nothing is camouflaged or hidden, sometimes I notice people contour their noses with makeup and such so it's hard to tell what their result is. Luckily my pics are pretty raw :/. As you can see, sometimes my nose looks like a whole different nose depending on what lighting or angle it is under/on. But no matter what it appears to be, there are always major issues. That is the only constant in this string of images. You know things are bad when your nose looks horrible in so many different ways. No amount of filters or photography skills could hide what was done to me. I was beautiful wih a lovely nose pre-op. I was not perfect and I was not a model, but that doesn't give the surgeon the right to mess up my entire face by butchering my nose into something alien. I was very pretty and most importantly I was ME. Normal, Unbotched Me. Now I can't even look at myself without fainting or feeling physically ill. No one and I mean NOONE should have to feel this way. I hope my review can make people think twice about touching their natural selves. Their Real Selves.
Here are some more post op photos taken on all different days from all different angles in all different lighting. I never wear makeup/foundation or anything so nothing is camouflaged or hidden, sometimes I notice people contour their noses with makeup and such so it's hard to tell what their result is. Luckily my pics are pretty raw :/. As you can see, sometimes my nose looks like a whole different nose depending on what lighting or angle it is under/on. But no matter what it appears to be, there are always major issues. That is the only constant in this string of images. You know things are bad when your nose looks horrible in so many different ways. No amount of filters or photography skills could hide what was done to me. I was beautiful wih a lovely nose pre-op. I was not perfect and I was not a model, but that doesn't give the surgeon the right to mess up my entire face by butchering my nose into something alien. I was very pretty and most importantly I was ME. Normal, Unbotched Me. Now I can't even look at myself without fainting or feeling physically ill. No one and I mean NOONE should have to feel this way. I hope my review can make people think twice about touching their natural selves. Their Real Selves.
Replies (10)
February 17, 2016
I got terrible result as well
I don't believe in rhinoplasty
and I wish I didnt have it however we should turn a new page and cop with it and never consider a revision one
I don't believe in rhinoplasty
and I wish I didnt have it however we should turn a new page and cop with it and never consider a revision one
February 17, 2016
I'm sorry you got a terrible result too. But I can't turn a new page when I cant even look at or touch my nose. I hope your result wasn't as bad as mine, but mine is not something I can live with. See the pictures for yourself. :(
May 25, 2016
My Dear Lovely Girl,
I seldom visit this site. I did it a few years ago to comment on my not quite successful rhino revision by dr Conrad from Toronto. You commented on my photos saying that you would KILL to get a result like me. Today, finally, I looked through your pics and I must say I am a bit surprised by the number of comments on your post, almost all of them considering your nose such a disaster.... Don't get me wrong - I do not want to play a kind of ping-pong with you (my nose is terrible, yours is great etc.). But I find your nose really quite OK ! It is true, your original nose WAS beautiful and you should never have allowed anybody to touch it. But your result is not THAT BAD ! You nose looks mature, straight, delicate, the only thing that seems a bit strange is the tip, which is really noticeable only in 2, maybe 3 photos. So it depends on the angle your photo was taken from. I would be very careful with revision if I were you. Because revision may help or ruin what you have now. You wrote about uneven bones you feel while touching your nose. Most of people who underwent rhinos have this problem. I have it too, my nose is assymetrical and for a very long time I had slight pain in a bone that sticked to the right of my nose. Now the pain is gone, the bone is a bit uneven and it will probably stay like that. But it does not disturb me that much. The bones were broken during surgery so it is obvious to me they will never be so smooth again. In my case I got a stupid "cute" outcome on my face, which makes me look like a baby, and I am almost 50. And I will tell you HONESTLY, I would prefer to have your slim, straight nose with slightly deformed tip, than to have what I have now. My nose is curved in C, looks terribly childish. BE VERY CAREFUL while deciding to undergo a revision. You never know what the result will be. If you can't cope with what you have try to correct only the tip. The rest is really fine. And you still have beautiful face. Try also, if you can, distance yourself from judging your body. I do it myself - I try to correct my side look with my hair and not to think too much about it. Otherwise I would get paralyzed in all my activities. And I assure you, I have seen MUCH WORSE results of rhinos than you have. Pelease treat my advices in a friendly way. I really wish you all the best.
I seldom visit this site. I did it a few years ago to comment on my not quite successful rhino revision by dr Conrad from Toronto. You commented on my photos saying that you would KILL to get a result like me. Today, finally, I looked through your pics and I must say I am a bit surprised by the number of comments on your post, almost all of them considering your nose such a disaster.... Don't get me wrong - I do not want to play a kind of ping-pong with you (my nose is terrible, yours is great etc.). But I find your nose really quite OK ! It is true, your original nose WAS beautiful and you should never have allowed anybody to touch it. But your result is not THAT BAD ! You nose looks mature, straight, delicate, the only thing that seems a bit strange is the tip, which is really noticeable only in 2, maybe 3 photos. So it depends on the angle your photo was taken from. I would be very careful with revision if I were you. Because revision may help or ruin what you have now. You wrote about uneven bones you feel while touching your nose. Most of people who underwent rhinos have this problem. I have it too, my nose is assymetrical and for a very long time I had slight pain in a bone that sticked to the right of my nose. Now the pain is gone, the bone is a bit uneven and it will probably stay like that. But it does not disturb me that much. The bones were broken during surgery so it is obvious to me they will never be so smooth again. In my case I got a stupid "cute" outcome on my face, which makes me look like a baby, and I am almost 50. And I will tell you HONESTLY, I would prefer to have your slim, straight nose with slightly deformed tip, than to have what I have now. My nose is curved in C, looks terribly childish. BE VERY CAREFUL while deciding to undergo a revision. You never know what the result will be. If you can't cope with what you have try to correct only the tip. The rest is really fine. And you still have beautiful face. Try also, if you can, distance yourself from judging your body. I do it myself - I try to correct my side look with my hair and not to think too much about it. Otherwise I would get paralyzed in all my activities. And I assure you, I have seen MUCH WORSE results of rhinos than you have. Pelease treat my advices in a friendly way. I really wish you all the best.
June 2, 2016
I responded to this (a few days ago) mostly on Your review.
Hopefully you got that comment to refer to.
Hopefully you got that comment to refer to.
July 6, 2016
I honestly think your new nose is cute... I personally like that pointy look. I think it's foxy and can look cool and accentuate ones cheek bones. The only issue I see with your new nose is that it appears that the Doctor deprojected the tip and didn't compensate for the fact that doing so will make the nostrils flare out. This issue can easily be corrected with a nostril tuck instead of a full revision rhinoplasty! If I were you I would consider getting the nostrils tucked. I think it'll make the features of your nose look more proportional and feminine. I also know that just that procedure alone isn't as expensive as a full rhinoplasty! I hope this helps and I hope you are able to one day enjoy your nose and feel confident in yourself! You're a beautiful person! Don't let this little bump in the road bring you down! :)
July 6, 2016
I always had the defining points at the end of my nose and in my before pictures, you are right, it is "foxy". Not so sure I have any cheekbones to speak of but even so, my nose no longer enhances anything positively. Also, are you sure you are looking at the correct pictures?
My before nose sounds more like what you are describing.
My after nose is awful and has a long list of issues. Nothing about it is pleasing to the eye and it definitely wasn't deprojected. In fact, it's the opposite according to most people.
I think if you look at my most recent Sets of pictures, you will see how bad of a result I received.
I have never heard of the term nostril tucking......?..
I know I need LLC repositioning and my alar rims lowered but that's certainly not the only thing I will be needing.
I do appreciate the compliments tho I think if you looked a little more through my pictures and captions, you'd see my nose is really awful. Objectively so. A lot more than just a bump in the road unfortunately...
My before nose sounds more like what you are describing.
My after nose is awful and has a long list of issues. Nothing about it is pleasing to the eye and it definitely wasn't deprojected. In fact, it's the opposite according to most people.
I think if you look at my most recent Sets of pictures, you will see how bad of a result I received.
I have never heard of the term nostril tucking......?..
I know I need LLC repositioning and my alar rims lowered but that's certainly not the only thing I will be needing.
I do appreciate the compliments tho I think if you looked a little more through my pictures and captions, you'd see my nose is really awful. Objectively so. A lot more than just a bump in the road unfortunately...
July 8, 2016
Let me tell you something your nose is beautiful and so are you
July 8, 2016
I appreciate the compliment but my nose has several significant issues..
Are you sure you are looking at the afters and not the befores?
..Take a look at my two most recent posts, I think you will see that my result is quite awful.
I've seen worse, but mine is very very very far from good.
And certainly nowhere near beautiful.
Are you sure you are looking at the afters and not the befores?
..Take a look at my two most recent posts, I think you will see that my result is quite awful.
I've seen worse, but mine is very very very far from good.
And certainly nowhere near beautiful.
UPDATED FROM w.h.i.g.
4 years post
Even more pics (some may be repeats, sorry)
A little bit about the Person (because you already know the Nose) :
I just want to let everyone know that I am not a plastic surgery junky or someone who wants to be "done" in every which way. I am also not rich and neither I nor my family has money to spend. ESP on these kind of procedures. We are your average middle class family. I was a teenager like every other, but I was a perfectionist. I believe this personality trait is what led me to seek out rhinoplasty. I am the girl that would cry not only at the thought of a minus sign beside the A on her paper, but also at the lack of +. I have battled with numerous disorders that are common of my personality type and I believe the last, and most fatal, BDD, was one of them. Any sane person should be able to tell from my pre op photos that my nose was fantastic before, but I didn't see that and I didn't wait long enough or get the right kind of therapy to "unsee" it. I won't get into detail but in the end neither me nor my parents had the mind or the information to deal with what I was going through properly. And so I blame the professionals. Two of which being these two doctors who consulted for/did my rhinoplasty surgery. I was only 17 after all. I wasn't a grown adult who knew better. Whether it be aesthetics or otherwise. I was also not one of those people you see on TLC's exploitative shows where they literally ask to be "disfigured" bringing in pictures of Madonna or Justin Bieber. Ironically, All I did was bring in pics of myself from when I was younger, saying I wanted my nose to look a little more like it was before. (Weird how I'm asking for the same exact thing now). You know how as kids we all have cute little button noses and then as we get older we are like, "hey wait a second..." "What happened" . Well I guess that was my thought process at the time. So silly. Not that the doctor even bothered to look at my pics anyway....
My nose hadnt changed much from when I was younger but for some reason I thought it would make a huge difference. I should have been told that I would grow into my nose, even when, in all honesty, everything was already in great harmony on my face. If a patient has a good harmony going on with their facial features, shouldn't an experienced facial surgeon be able to foresee that doing "this" or "that" would cause that harmony to be wrecked? And not just that, but shouldn't they be able to tell if a nose can withstand being sucked of any more cartilage? I'm not a doctor. The risks and procedure should have been explained to me, or at least to my parents. But that didn't happen. And even if my nose DIDNT need to be touched, even if they decided to go and mess with it, it still should NEVER in a million years, have turned out like THIS. This is not simply a difference. This is not a change that I need to get used to. This is not "another version" of Good. This is a Nightmare.
Basically I'm Trying to give you guys a little more info about myself so that if anyone can relate then they can message me.
Now I have to worry about Psych evaluations for my revision because of the absolute Hell I've been put through, and the irony is that if I had had a psych evaluation Before my Primary then there's a good chance I would never be in this predicament. It's funny how patients who have actual deformities are made to get a psych evaluation by their surgeon before secondary or tertiary cosmetic surgery and yet, a kid with a near perfect nose asking to go under the knife is just let on into the firing range, no questions asked. The world really is not a fair place. The plastic surgery world is that, ten fold.
When you get botched, there are so many hoops you have to jump through to get a Revision. I can barely stand on my own two feet because of all this. So how in gods name am I supposed to jump through a damn hoop?
Us revision seekers have it bad enough having to wake up every day to a face or body that we can't escape. We have to spend the time and energy on research and consults and probably even travel expenses Plus the expense of the actual surgery. (It's not like we got our money back from the First one(s)) And you know the worst part? No guarantee.
No guarantee we will finally get what we want, need, or even look normal. No guarantee that even if we get a good result, that it will last.
My god, if I could just get a guarantee that one day it's all going to be okay, the things I would be able to do!
A guarantee or a time machine.
That's what I would ask for when rubbing the magic lamp.
In my dreams.
Replies (25)
February 17, 2016
Have you tried demanding your money back and telling him that if he stands behind his work he will do the right thing and refund you the full amount? Are you willing to travel for your revision? Dr. Grigoryants is well known on this site, he is in L.A though.....the revisions I have seen have been great. He was my only other choice besides Dr. Clutter who I went with. What do they say at Dr. Turks office about the results? He should be ashamed and refund you, just my opinion....
February 17, 2016
No I have not. I went back there at exactly one year and one month post op and walked out crying. I was told that what I was feeling and seeing was slight and that no one else could see it. I wonder now if it really was slight at the time and it has since just gotten markedly worse. That whole moment was a blur because I was literally walking down the streets of New York sobbing and almost screaming. I'm sure ppl thought I was nuts, but hey it's NY, they probably see it everyday. Something tells me it was worse than they said it was , even back then, because I remember being shown the before and afters and I almost fainted at how strange I looked in the after and I don't mean strange as in different from what I was used to, I mean strange as in just plain old wrong and grotesque. I think the only thing that was slight at the time was the assymetry. The overall job I believe was visibly awful at one year post. I do remember they did say this at the time "You had a good nose before and you have a good nose now". Well GEE why didn't you tell me how "good" my nose was BEFORE I went through with this (is what I was thinking) because the second part of their statement was dead wrong. And yes I am willing to travel. I have heard of Dr.G but people tend to think he's better for primaries and closed rhinoplasty. Im pretty sure I will need open because I need stuff(grafts) added to make more volume and fix asymmetries. At least, that is what I'm assuming by looking at and feeling my nose. I agree he should be ashamed and refund me the full amount. I am
almost sure that I will have to ask them exactly what they did to my nose so that I can give that report to my next surgeon. I really don't want to go back to NY and walk back in that office so I hope I can just send them pics of what they've done to me. I have a feeling they would actually deny that anything was wrong, tell me I "asked for this", or worse. Maybe they'd have the nerve to offer filler or maybe they would just plain tell me I'm crazy. A part of me hopes they see this review and contact me begging to Update with better news by offering a full refund or what not. But I doubt that will happen. And I would never take back my statements on these two no matter what. I almost never hear of a refund, never mind a Full Refund, being given to a disgruntled patient. My family definitely doesn't have money for a lawyer either, not that cosmetic suits are easy anyway...
Wow that was long, sorry
I do appreciate your concern with my situation and your recomendation, it makes me feel a tiny bit better knowing there are people in the community on my side
almost sure that I will have to ask them exactly what they did to my nose so that I can give that report to my next surgeon. I really don't want to go back to NY and walk back in that office so I hope I can just send them pics of what they've done to me. I have a feeling they would actually deny that anything was wrong, tell me I "asked for this", or worse. Maybe they'd have the nerve to offer filler or maybe they would just plain tell me I'm crazy. A part of me hopes they see this review and contact me begging to Update with better news by offering a full refund or what not. But I doubt that will happen. And I would never take back my statements on these two no matter what. I almost never hear of a refund, never mind a Full Refund, being given to a disgruntled patient. My family definitely doesn't have money for a lawyer either, not that cosmetic suits are easy anyway...
Wow that was long, sorry
I do appreciate your concern with my situation and your recomendation, it makes me feel a tiny bit better knowing there are people in the community on my side
February 17, 2016
I don't blame you for running out crying especially after what they said. I am not trying to give you legal advice but would like to mention I worked for a plastic surgeon for many years. There was a small handful of women that were not happy with their surgeries. They by no means we're botched but just felt like he didn't change them "enough". The ones he refunded were very forthright about how dissatisfied they were. A couple of them said it to his face and some through email with photos. He would never offer it unless they asked. That was what I witnessed at least. You have to do what is best for you though. If you do contact them just keep emotions out of the equation and stick to the facts. I will message you if I come across any othe revision surgeons that are good:-) I know they will definitely ask for records if they are any good!
February 17, 2016
Wow, that's actually good to hear. Makes me wonder if perhaps I can at least get the money back to fund my revision. I really do appreciate you taking the time to keep commenting on my posts. And thank you, I would def appreciate it if you sent some names my way. You are right, asking for the primary surgery record seems to be common among the good revisionists(at least, from what I've read and researched),, thx again!
February 17, 2016
Thanks so much for posting your honest review, I truly believe you can help so many people with this. Have you looked up Dr. Ivan Wayne in Oklahoma City? I'm wanting him to do my primary because I hear he is wonderful at not only primaries but revisions as well. I've talked to a few ladies here that have nothing but great things to say about him. Best of luck to you! I have faith that everything will work out in the end :)
February 17, 2016
Thank you so much for your comment, and no I have not heard of dr.wayne. I will have to research him. Thanks for the reccomendation.
February 17, 2016
Please do, I really think he can help you!! Let us know how everything goes! :)
February 17, 2016
you should try to compensate and be strict with your surgeon that you would not settle for anything less than half of the money back. its important that u check back to clarify that you are not happy with the results and keep on stressing it, I think you mentioned something about your op was closed? which is a good sign because you can achieve much more results with an open approach, as told by my surgeon ... truly best of luck
February 17, 2016
I will definitely do that. And yes mine was closed, my revision will probably have to be open like you said, thanks for the luck, I will be needing it!
February 18, 2016
I'm so sorry for your terrible experience but I'm sure you will find the right surgeon and will be able to put the ordeal behind you one day. Have you looked into Dr. Daniel Becker from NJ? He has some good reviews and there was one from this girl whose "before" nose was totally botched by someone else and looked much worse than yours. Her "after" nose just looks amazing and natural.
February 18, 2016
Thank you so much, and yes I have heard of him. I will look for that review. And I hope you are right, I hope I find the right surgeon to fix this for me. I hope I can finally be Me again and live. I hope so many things, esp for the best, just like your username. I hope everyone this happens to finally gets their nose fixed like I am trying to.
Even if people can't see the nose as being an issue, I am still treated differently. I used to receive compliments and now I never do. Not even from my own family members. Even those who don't know what I did.
I know it is my nose causing me to look and feel so terrible and it actually hurts me more when others say they can't see anything wrong with my nose.
I've said this before, but I see a lot of people with God-awful results, even worse than mine, and people tell them how wonderful and amazing it looks.
So I really don't know when people are being genuine or IF they really think "bad" looks "good".
I'm not talking about your comment specifically but since I have seen this seemingly warped commentary on other's reviews, it makes me weary of every slightly complimentary comment I recieve.
I deal with this with my own two parents.
I showed my Mother a picture of a girl whose nose was practically smashed up into her face and the after of her successful revision but my mother had to ask what was the before and which was the after. She couldn't even tell the difference of a severely botched nose and an excellent fix.
She even asked me if the horrible primary the girl had was her natural nose. She literally saw nothing wrong with it!
It's just scary to think that I can't even trust my own Mother's eyes.
And she actually just got LASIK so it's not her vision, I don't know WHAT it is.
I just hope to God that I can trust MY OWN EYES. and the feeling I get when I touch my nose.
I don't want to make another mistake.