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Retin-A Made Me Look Twice my Age - New York

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I'm a 25 year-old Asian female, and I had acne...

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I'm a 25 year-old Asian female, and I had acne since junior high school. It mostly resolved itself during college but after a decade of moderate to severe acne, I started seeing a dermatologist to get rid of scarring, mostly boxcar and dark spots, all over my face. She recommended a vi peel, salicylic acid peels, and a TCA peels, all of which I tried and which removed some blemishes but did absolutely nothing for the boxcar scarring. A year later, she moved and I found another dermatologist who recommended photofacials and Fraxel laser treatments. Like the peels, the photofacials helped with evening the coloring on my combination skin, but did nothing for the scars. The 1st Fraxel laser treatment wasn't painful but it left my skin really thin and delicate, and I noticed the scarring got mildly worse after carefully watching the healing over 3 months.

I moved this time but I was afraid to go to another dermatologist. I went to my local spa for facial treatments with extractions, and those seemed to keep my skin clean while also doing absolutely nothing for scarring. After 12+ treatments, my friend pushed me to see her dermatologist, who did wonders for her skin. This dermatologist is Asian, so I naively thought she would understand Asian skin. She instantly recommended Retin A, after hearing I tried chemical peels and laser. I started with Ziana, a gel mix of 1.2% clindamycin and 0.025% tretinoin. For 2 months, I applied it every other day and then every day for the next 10 months. I used it for a full year because everyone kept telling me it takes time to work. I followed the procedure to a tee, using it 30 minutes after I showered at night and never used any other products with it, with the exception of Cetaphil moisturizer on some days.

Every day for a year, my skin was dry, no matter how much moisturizer I used, and it was sometimes flaky, itchy, and red. I was upset when I looked in the mirror and felt self-conscious outside. Towards month 8, I noticed my pores were getting larger, scars appeared deeper, wrinkles started developing, hair fell out around my hairline, and the skin around my eyes were crepey and wrinkled. I went back to the dermatologist and she told me to continue using Ziana because this is just a phase! At month 11, my family got concerned. They told me I looked like a tired 40 year-old. I had fine lines everywhere that I didn't before: forehead, around the eyes, parts of my cheeks, and near my mouth. My skin felt like sandpaper and looked sunken. I used Ziana for another month before giving up on any decent results. It had aged me over 20 years in less than a year.

I felt so disgusted with myself for continuing so long. I should have known something was wrong when the pharmacy called and told me this was a $600 topical gel that my insurance was hesitant about covering. The only somewhat fortunate part about this was that I ended up paying $35 with insurance. It is now 2 years later and I have since only used gentle, all-natural products, including jojoba oil, lemon, and honey. There is definitely an improvement in skin texture, like it feels soft again, but the scars and wrinkles from the Retin A damage are still around. These scars are not new, especially since I rarely break out now. My skin is still uneven and I have tried dermapen, which seems to temporarily raise the scars, but they sink again after a few days. Still, the temporary results are not bad when I need to look good for an event and dermapen hasn't made things worse. I suppose this is a start.

Overall, I wanted to write this in hopes others don't just jump on the Retin A bandwagon. If you have combination, sensitive, and/or thin skin, I would be really careful before using this. Like Accutane, there are many side effects that your dermatologist might not have disclosed or even know. It has been an incredibly frustrating few years, and I would certainly appreciate suggestions on reversing the damage as well as improving the appearance of all this scarring, old and new.

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June 23, 2016

Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you find support in the community.

June 23, 2016
You have done to much to your skin. I completely understand what you are going through and it really stinks living with scars caused by acne. Unfortunately you have been misled to believe there is anything out there that could help with scarring. The truth is there is nothing that will remove acne scars. Being told to do peels and lasers and RetinA were all lies.
First of all peels are very harsh on the skin. Leaving it vulnerable. FRAXEL is horrible because all it does is damage the health of your skin, something that is odvious as time goes by. Using RetinA after laser treatments ( even if it was months or years after) only makes your skin deteriorate that much quicker. Please DO NOT do anymore procedures to your face. It cannot endure it anymore and that's why you are seeing the lines, wrinkles, dehydration and enlarged pores. Your skin is letting you know that it needs to be left alone. Only use products that are chemical free. Go to a health food store and buy a healthy bar of soap ( Kiss My Face products are great) use this to wash your face. Use Manuka honey as a mask every night. Leave it on as long as you can and do it as often as you can. Manuka has great soothing and healing properties. After apply EMU oil. Again do this as often as you can. These two products are natural and healthy and will help to restore your skin. It will take time, I mean lots of time, but it's worth it. Just be patient. Whenever you leave your home put on sunscreen because your skin is too vulnerable.
This may be a tough journey for you but I'm sure in time everything will get better.
*Stay away from procedures or any topical meds prescribed by a doctor.
Best of luck!
June 24, 2016
Truly, thanks for the tips! I've steered clear of procedures for the last 2 years, almost 3, and I've noticed only positive differences. I'm now sticking to only natural products, mainly oils. Their effect on skin is amazing. I'll definitely need to try and add emu oil to the collection.
June 24, 2016
Great! You're a smart girl. Be your own doctor and steer away from dermatologists, cosmetic surgeons, aestiticians etc. Derms only know how to prescribe meds, cosmetic surgeons only push lasers ( which by the way most of them know nothing about skin) to make more money on top of their surgeries. Aestiticians are not doctors and have no right to work on patients..I know all of this ALL to well because I was you. I was insecure about my acne scars and believed that there was a solution. The last thing I had done to my face was get Fraxel Laser ( 4 years ago) and it altered my life! My skin looked pretty good the first week but after that everything changed for the worse. You name it and it has appeared on my skin. Large pores, dehydration, indentations, fat loss, ice pick scars etc.. No doctor can provide a solution for me. They had the audacity to suggest either another laser or medications!! I knew this would have destroyed my skin further. I HAD to become my own doctor. Pretty sad!! This has made me see doctors and surgeons in a different light unfortunately, and now I see it's all about the money, when things go wrong they neglect you. So please learn from my experience and remember that you are smart and young enough to get through this without anymore peels, lasers or meds ever!!! Even though you haven't posted a pic of yourself Im sure you are beautiful!! It's time you believe that too. You have your whole life ahead of you. Smile, dance, take trips and have as much fun as you can because your skin should not be your focus. In time it will get better just respect it enough to leave it alone.
Best of luck to you:)
**EMU oil is really great:))
June 26, 2016
Wow, that's awful! Thank you for the words of encouragement and for sharing your story. It's incredible how easily doctors can persuade patients. I was really lucky that Fraxel did not do much damage, but Retin A absolutely destroyed my skin. If I had this knowledge a few years ago, I would have never tried any of these treatments. I wish I took some before/after photos, but I hated taking pictures and still do. From us sharing our stories, I'm hoping others don't have to learn this the hard way. You're completely right that it's all about the money, especially in dermatology. They get paid thousands for these "treatments" when they don't even know the effectiveness, and they prey on us during a time of vulnerability. I remember when I started losing hair. It was clumps and clumps of it, never happened before and my parents are close to 60 with a full head of hair, so it's not genetic. I called the office and they told me to make an appointment. I came in to the doctor laughing about it, saying it's not correlated, and then trying to prescribe me a sulfur wash for dry scalp, which I also never had before Retin A. I was appalled by their lack of concern. Two months after I stopped Retin A, my hair stopped falling and thankfully grew back. It took some time for me to self-diagnose and to get past the worsening of the scars, but I'm living life again. You have the right idea there. We can't let our scars hold us back forever. Thank you again for the uplifting words!
July 13, 2016
Hello. First of all, I am really sorry for what you had to go through, but I'm glad things are slowly improving. Second, I don't mean to sound rude or anything, I'm sure you know your skin way better than anybody else, but the the first thing I thought when I read your story was laser damage. I know you said Retin A destroyed your skin, but you had Fraxel before that and the damage you are describing sounds a lot like laser damage, experienced by many people unfortunately. Retin A is a form of vitamin A (tretinoin) that speeds up cell regeneration and if your cells were damaged by Fraxel before using Retin A, the cream only brought the laser damage to the surface at a faster rate. A lot of people experience the side effects of energy devices such as Fraxel later on, even years later, and nobody quite underatands why this happens, not even the doctors who perform these procedures (ridiculous, right?!). You might find more helpful information on The IPL And Laser Damage Forum (google it).

This is just an idea and it might help you to better understand what happened to your skin. I am no doctor but this is just something worth thinking about, in my opinion.

Again, I am sorry you are going through this. I am trying to correct some scars myself so I understand your pain. Good luck to you! :)
July 3, 2017
There are many people who have experienced exactly what she has from using Retin A. Even on the Ipl and laser damage boards, a lot of them never had laser done. I know because I'm going through Retin a damage right now and it's truly heartbreaking to witness your skin age practically overnight. I only used it for 6 weeks (2-3 times weekly), so I completely understand where the OP is coming from. And I'm here hun if you ever want to talk, but hopefully you're much better by now! Good luck and God Bless!
June 24, 2016
I'm sorry to hear you've had this experience with Retin-A. I used it when I was in high school for acne and it did wonders for my skin but everyone is different. I agree with the other commenter, you have done a lot to your skin & from this point on you should be very selective about the products you use. You may want to try the facial cleanser from Honey Girl Organics or the Coconut Cream Cleanser by Evan Healy. Use a simple toner, like Shea Terra Organics Orange Blossom Water or the Moroccan Menthe Facial Water. Also, a good all natural moisturizer to try is Bee Magic by Medicine Mama. Manuka honey is also great to use as a facial mask. Hope this helps. Good luck.
June 24, 2016
Cool, thanks for the product tips! I'm pretty clueless about organic products, but I'm trying to learn more and build a better regimen. This is really helpful.
June 24, 2016
You are very welcome! I forgot to mention Worker B products. They are great!
July 5, 2017
Sorry about this ordeal you have gone through, and i hope your skin is bouncing back.. I am currently using tretinoin 0.025%. I have just stepped up to using it 3 times a week (which is almost every other day) and it has taken me almost 5 months to work up to this. i started by using a retinol to help acclimatise myself, then slowly introduced the retin a ( i used it diluted with moisturiser at first, and only used it once a week for at least a month then stepped up slowly from there). I have had no dryness or irritation whatso ever, and it probably has something to do with the fact that I have started so slowly. I think alot of people have irritation and dryness because they do too much too soon, and their skin is just not able to recover from the irritation, so it just gets worse over the months. it seems even dermatologists recommend doing more then your skin can handle, and tell people not to worry, the side effects with get better if you just stick it out. but it seems it is not the case for alot of people, and i think its understandable that dryness and irritation with only get worse and accumulate and eventually cause damage if you dont give the skin a break, and do things at a pace that the skin can handle. Also, everyones skin is different. some people find that no matter how slowly they go, their skin can never adjust to retina a, but from what i have read this is pretty rare. Some people need to take it much slower then others, but my opinion from all i have read on retin a use, is to introduce it slowly enough that you do not ever experience dryness and irritation (yes this is possible) if you do experience dryness or irritation, you can immediately scale back your use until your skin is better. If you use retin a this way, you are not going to experience damage to your skin. Excessive dryness and skin inflamation obviously is not a state you want your skin to be in, and of cause it causes damage
July 9, 2017
See I went slowly starting with Skinceuticals retinol then moving to Retin a and only using it twice weekly at first but I still experienced damage. I agree with you that some people just can not tolerate it. It's actually not that rare to experience damage as I'm now finding out. I've found threads on all the skin care sites all over the Internet. I'm glad you're having a positive experience with Retin a though!
July 10, 2017
i have looked at alot of forums too in my research on retin a. I read alot of people using retin a and starting on 0.5% instead of 0.025%. it seems to be pretty common for people to start at that higher strength. And most people seem to step themselves up to every other night over just a few months or less. It seems this is what alot of derms even recommend to people which is crazy, seems waaaay too quick to me especially on 0.5 %. it seems to be commonly believed that you just have to suffer through skin agony first to get any results from retin a. this just doesnt make sense to me. if your skin is really irritated its trying to tell you something, that your doing something bad for it. That seems common sense to me! but it seems common opinion is the opposite in regards to retin a. very strange indeed... i wonder just how many of the people who experienced skin damage from retin a would have avoided it if they moved at a much slower pace.