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Dermapen ( Microneedling ) Ruined my Skin - Netherlands
UPDATED FROM odettemustafa
5 years post
5 year update
odettemustafaMay 8, 2021
It s been a long while since I posted anything on RS. But sometimes still get asked if my skin got any better. So here is an update. It s been 5 years since the microneedling session. I am now almost 54 and of course my skin has aged. This review is about the skin texture damage microneedling caused. Not about the other things my skin is showing due to further aging, re hyperpigmentation spots, sagging skin and additional wrinkles.
Pictures are taken in different light and last 2 from a short distance. I don't do botox, I don't have fillers or any other sort of whatever is out there.
My skin texture has improved tremendously. The deep tracks are now superficial, the glow on my skin is back, no more dehydration or discoloration on the cheeks. I am very happy with the improvements. There are a few scarring but barely noticeable on my fair skin and hard to capture on camera. The wrinkles on my cheeks have improved as well cause of the tracks being less deep but when I smile, my cheeks and crowfeet are absolutely there but I have accepted this and find it cute.
3 phones later, this camera is way better then the original fotos, and taking close up pictures, my skin looks worse then how I see myself in the mirror.
So my conclusion is, yes skin texture can recover but you need realistic expectations. Mine is not, nor never will, as smooth as before. Perhaps with deep chemical peels or with lasers ? but I m not going down that route.
All skin has texture and mine, to me, now looks like average 54 year old skin, and I am perfectly okay with that.
Throughout the years I have been in contact with various ladies and unfortunately not everybody is healing as well as I am. So I m guessing there are a lot of factors involved, wish I knew which ones so I could advise but I can only speak for myself, what I have done and what effect this had on my skin.
I had ( my whole family has great skin) thick,smooth, almost wrinklefree, porcelain skin before microneedling. No acne( as was suggested in comments) simply no skin issues whatsoever. So I do believe that could be 1 factor on how your skin will heal.
I do now have a regiment of skincare products which I enjoy and see benefits from.
Just wanted to give an update for all you ladies(and gents) that are dealing with this same damage and to give some hope that it can improve, that u can move on from this and live a joyfull life.
Pictures are taken in different light and last 2 from a short distance. I don't do botox, I don't have fillers or any other sort of whatever is out there.
My skin texture has improved tremendously. The deep tracks are now superficial, the glow on my skin is back, no more dehydration or discoloration on the cheeks. I am very happy with the improvements. There are a few scarring but barely noticeable on my fair skin and hard to capture on camera. The wrinkles on my cheeks have improved as well cause of the tracks being less deep but when I smile, my cheeks and crowfeet are absolutely there but I have accepted this and find it cute.
3 phones later, this camera is way better then the original fotos, and taking close up pictures, my skin looks worse then how I see myself in the mirror.
So my conclusion is, yes skin texture can recover but you need realistic expectations. Mine is not, nor never will, as smooth as before. Perhaps with deep chemical peels or with lasers ? but I m not going down that route.
All skin has texture and mine, to me, now looks like average 54 year old skin, and I am perfectly okay with that.
Throughout the years I have been in contact with various ladies and unfortunately not everybody is healing as well as I am. So I m guessing there are a lot of factors involved, wish I knew which ones so I could advise but I can only speak for myself, what I have done and what effect this had on my skin.
I had ( my whole family has great skin) thick,smooth, almost wrinklefree, porcelain skin before microneedling. No acne( as was suggested in comments) simply no skin issues whatsoever. So I do believe that could be 1 factor on how your skin will heal.
I do now have a regiment of skincare products which I enjoy and see benefits from.
Just wanted to give an update for all you ladies(and gents) that are dealing with this same damage and to give some hope that it can improve, that u can move on from this and live a joyfull life.
UPDATED FROM odettemustafa
1 year post
Half way through deep tissue massage and LED Therapy
odettemustafaMarch 26, 2018
Have 6 more treatments till June and then once a month.
My last pictures didnt give a honest view as my tab is broken and the camera on my old phone took very flatering pics.
I know I said I wasnt going to post till I was done doing the full series of massages and LED but I am so exited, just had to share.
These were taken today indoors and outside, in the sun and without the sun. Imagine the wrinkles not there and focus on the tracks and skin texture. The lines forming the track mark are more on the surface and not so deep. The bubbly snake texture is also more shallow. Out of the sun my skin even looks amasing. In the sunlight, still pretty good :-)
I am not saying these are miracle treatments that will melt all the issues like snow before the sun. But I am super exited and cant wait to the result in 3 months. Gonna focus on this and will think what to do (if anything) about my wrinkles end of the year. My current beautician said to give her a years for optimal result.
My last pictures didnt give a honest view as my tab is broken and the camera on my old phone took very flatering pics.
I know I said I wasnt going to post till I was done doing the full series of massages and LED but I am so exited, just had to share.
These were taken today indoors and outside, in the sun and without the sun. Imagine the wrinkles not there and focus on the tracks and skin texture. The lines forming the track mark are more on the surface and not so deep. The bubbly snake texture is also more shallow. Out of the sun my skin even looks amasing. In the sunlight, still pretty good :-)
I am not saying these are miracle treatments that will melt all the issues like snow before the sun. But I am super exited and cant wait to the result in 3 months. Gonna focus on this and will think what to do (if anything) about my wrinkles end of the year. My current beautician said to give her a years for optimal result.
Replies (5)
March 26, 2018
Hi Dear!
I can see a lot of improving in your skin. It looks way less wrinkled and very hydratated ! Very Happy for you :)
Cannot see your final results !
Please keep us posted !
XOXO
I can see a lot of improving in your skin. It looks way less wrinkled and very hydratated ! Very Happy for you :)
Cannot see your final results !
Please keep us posted !
XOXO
March 26, 2018
I know !!! I have a healthy glow and good blood circulation. Very exited and cant wait either to see in a few months ! It may never again been porceline smooth but it is looking pretty darn good ! XOXO
March 22, 2020
Hi, search for Oumere skin line, it is created by a cellular biologist who talks against microneedling. You can also get fat grafting to smooth the wrinkles and maybe a little facial lift. I wanted to do microneedling too for the skin around my eyes (I am 30) but after reading so many bad reviews, I'll just skip it.
March 22, 2020
Dr Amir Karam does vertical facial lifts that look natural. Search him on instagram to see his results.
March 27, 2018
Is it just like a deep tissue massage on the face? And do they do around your eyes? Thanks!
March 28, 2018
The Dutch word is "bindweefsel" massage. I googled it and it translates deep constructive tissue massage. It is also done around the eyes but it doesnt feel the same as the rest of the massage, not as much pressure so I dont think she goes deep around the eyes and is more careful. Also the neck and décolleté is massaged.
March 28, 2018
Hi! I’m glad you’re seeing improvements:) I’d caution you to be careful with LED. It made the surface of my skin better but I swear I lost some facial fat along my jawline (this was the red LED which is also used to melt fat on the body, docs say it can’t do that but I’m not so sure...) Anyway, don’t mean to scare you but just be very careful of anything you do from now on. Best of luck and hope you continue to see improvements.
March 28, 2018
Oh noooo!!! Thank you for posting. This is not the news I wanted to heard :-(((
How many sessions did you have? Was it only the red light? When did you start noticing facial fat loss? Please give more info , got me worried now.
How many sessions did you have? Was it only the red light? When did you start noticing facial fat loss? Please give more info , got me worried now.
March 28, 2018
Okay I really don’t want to worry you!! Keep in mind I had ipl about 15 years ago with horrible consequences and I think my skin has never been the same since so it might just be my thin skin. I didn’t have sessions per se because I used an led mask. I used it every day for 10 minutes with the blue light and 5 with the red on the highest setting for about a month. I started noticing fat loss so I stopped immediately. But my rosacea and acne cleared almost completely so I didn’t want to stop. Again I might be crazy and my skin is so damaged so I’m not completely sure. Don’t be scared just be very careful! You are lovely and I want you to stay that way:)
March 28, 2018
I will be ! Am doing it once a week now and now decided to go for 1x a month. Cant be careful enough!
Thank you for sharing !!!!!!
Thank you for sharing !!!!!!
March 28, 2018
Hi, I used a red light mask off and on mask for years, never noticed any fat loss, cheeks are exactly the same, maybe even fuller. I would attribute lissak27`s fat volume reduction to the IPL thermal device. All of the low energy red light "weight loss" treatments such as Zerona were written off as a sham in the 90s. Hence the birth of radio frequency and ultrasound. Just wanted to put your mind at ease a bit. Having said that however, one can never be too careful given your previous damage. AND every mask and machine is different. This industry tends to think "less is more" so you never know what's built into those things. My old mask was a soft plastic mask with battery operated LEDS. I used that until the wheels fell off (fell apart). I used a bulb for a while in a swing arm lamp but I have decided to forgo any light treatments out of abundance of caution, and I'm only focusing on hormonal balance and true topical hydration with Cerave by way of hyaluronic acid. Also, increasing good fats (olive oil and avocado oil) to support internal fat structures, and sebaceous gland function. As a side note: I have never had a thermal treatment or incurred damage, I'm 48, and I'm solely focused on anti-aging, avoiding fillers and a facelift/surgeries for as long as I can. My tips can possibly help someone else, whether they have damage or not.
As I mentioned before, vigorous massage can also be counterproductive. Best.
As I mentioned before, vigorous massage can also be counterproductive. Best.
March 28, 2018
I'm glad you didn't experience any fat loss! I had IPL damage 14 years before I tried LED so it wasn't due to that, but yeah I can't say for certain what caused it. It wasn't major but all I know is that I noticed a thinning of my jaw line and googled "led light fat loss" and found a lot of info about it currently being used for that purpose and it's even FDA approved to treat fat loss in the U.S. It has less to do with thermal injury and mostly I believe the theory is that red LED light increases in the metabolism of fat cells, causing the cells to release fat (not very scientific, google for more info). So out of caution, like you, I just decided no more LED. Which is sad because it did help my skin tone a lot. I'm with you on being very minimal. I've been drinking collagen hydrolosate and taking hyaluronic acid supplements and I think they have been helping give me more of a glow. I also use Cerave! Odette, best of luck, I think once a month is a good plan if you continue to do this so you can monitor things. I'm so glad you are seeing improvements.
March 28, 2018
It is difficult nowadays to see the trees through the wild ( Dutch expression) with so many options with contradictive results.
I m going to cut it down to once a month so I can monitor closely.
Better be safe then sorry !
I am sorry about your damage from the IPL.
Tuffy is also using Cerave and has positive effects. After I finish my current creams, gonna give that a try. Thank you again for your post. Best of lucky to you too !
I m going to cut it down to once a month so I can monitor closely.
Better be safe then sorry !
I am sorry about your damage from the IPL.
Tuffy is also using Cerave and has positive effects. After I finish my current creams, gonna give that a try. Thank you again for your post. Best of lucky to you too !
March 29, 2018
As I shared with Odette, I apply Cerave to an entirely wet face to bind all that water to the hyaluronic acid in the cream. I also shared using topical estrogen cream to the face if you are perimenopausal, or menopausal such as an estriol cream from Amazon. Topical estrogen is used to thicken and hydrate vaginal tissues (skin) so it does amazing things for facial skin as well. If anyone is interested in a link to a study, inbox me.
Lissak, I'm not sure how old you are, but your slight loss of volume could just be from aging over time, precipitated by the thermal IPL treatment you received years ago. It's difficult to really know those things for sure.
I've heard of that redlight theory also. Metabolizing fat from the fat cell, and DESTROYING the fat cell (through thermal heat) are two totally different actions. I doubt very seriously any fat cells are being eradicated with LED light. But, better to be safe.
Lissak, I'm not sure how old you are, but your slight loss of volume could just be from aging over time, precipitated by the thermal IPL treatment you received years ago. It's difficult to really know those things for sure.
I've heard of that redlight theory also. Metabolizing fat from the fat cell, and DESTROYING the fat cell (through thermal heat) are two totally different actions. I doubt very seriously any fat cells are being eradicated with LED light. But, better to be safe.
March 29, 2018
Tuffy,
Have you seen any improving in the texture/elasticity of your skin after using those creams? Do you use the "estriol cream" every day?
Last, do you know if there is something to recover the fat cells after being damaged ( melted down) by Skinpen/ Dermapen OR RF?
Thanks!
Have you seen any improving in the texture/elasticity of your skin after using those creams? Do you use the "estriol cream" every day?
Last, do you know if there is something to recover the fat cells after being damaged ( melted down) by Skinpen/ Dermapen OR RF?
Thanks!
March 29, 2018
Yes to your first question regarding Cerave, and it's due to the hyaluronic acid in it. The cream itself does not have an oily feeling to it so it doesn't "feel" like other lotions, but it does form a barrier on the skin made of ceramides and hyaluronic acid which holds 500 times it's own weight in water molecules. That barrier is critical to protecting, hydrating and strengthening skin.
As for the estrogen cream, I am currently using a prescription vaginal cream on my face morning and night, mixed into the Cerave. The estrogen cream I have doesn't blend well with make-up, so I'll probably cut back to using it only at night soon.
As for your last question, and this is probably my best kept secret, but I'll share... and know this may not be for everyone and it doesn't give the kind of immediate results you get from fat transfers, but I use a butt enhancement cream which stimulates fat cell growth on my temples and on the orbital rim of my eyes. It has helped take the hard edge of those areas, but it takes months to see results and it's ongoing (not dramatic). Again, this is off label use so people have to decide for themselves. But, there are fat creams out there for plumping the lips etc, so the move to the face is not far from that. I'm just trying to stave off the need for fat transfers because I have a genetically boney face. The fat cream gives me something to soften the edges in the meantime. It's called Isosensuals Curve on Amazon. It has a proprietary ingredient called Voluplus. I use it on my butt too. That's how in started using it, then gradually (and prudently) started applying it to small areas of my face. I've found you have to intake good fats to support fat cells that's why I take olive oil and avocado oil 3 times a day.
I'm always leery to post good things like this publicly for fear doctors and naysayers will try to shut them down because it can affect their bottom lines. If you ask a doctor "will this work, or that work?" and they can't make money off of it, they usually dissuade people and suggest instead a more extreme treatment. I try to find reasonable, prudent, non-extreme solutions to my problems and use the extreme route as a very last option after I've exhausted conservative means. Am I always right? No. But neither are doctors. To be honest, I take my health problems/concerns, wants and needs to the good Lord and let Him guide me. There's alot of his information and studies done on various things which can be found on ncbi dot com (published medical studies). Wet just have to be our best advocates, and always try to be careful when making any decisions.
You guys have helped me alot. I did dermastamping for years and stopped cold when I read your reviews. Don't you know I discovered some superficial scratches from an old dermaroller I used last year that had bent needles (which I saw after the fact). I would've never paid close attention if not for your reviews, so thank you. That discovery led me to the estrogen and everything is almost entirely smoothed over. I'm using it on a chicken pox scar that is even getting shallower! By the way, I read somewhere that some dermatologists that are in the know are starting to compound estrogen into facial creams because of its anti aging benefits. Unfortunately, there's just no way to avoid the hormonal aspect of aging skin. I'm realizing that more and more and it sucks.
As for the estrogen cream, I am currently using a prescription vaginal cream on my face morning and night, mixed into the Cerave. The estrogen cream I have doesn't blend well with make-up, so I'll probably cut back to using it only at night soon.
As for your last question, and this is probably my best kept secret, but I'll share... and know this may not be for everyone and it doesn't give the kind of immediate results you get from fat transfers, but I use a butt enhancement cream which stimulates fat cell growth on my temples and on the orbital rim of my eyes. It has helped take the hard edge of those areas, but it takes months to see results and it's ongoing (not dramatic). Again, this is off label use so people have to decide for themselves. But, there are fat creams out there for plumping the lips etc, so the move to the face is not far from that. I'm just trying to stave off the need for fat transfers because I have a genetically boney face. The fat cream gives me something to soften the edges in the meantime. It's called Isosensuals Curve on Amazon. It has a proprietary ingredient called Voluplus. I use it on my butt too. That's how in started using it, then gradually (and prudently) started applying it to small areas of my face. I've found you have to intake good fats to support fat cells that's why I take olive oil and avocado oil 3 times a day.
I'm always leery to post good things like this publicly for fear doctors and naysayers will try to shut them down because it can affect their bottom lines. If you ask a doctor "will this work, or that work?" and they can't make money off of it, they usually dissuade people and suggest instead a more extreme treatment. I try to find reasonable, prudent, non-extreme solutions to my problems and use the extreme route as a very last option after I've exhausted conservative means. Am I always right? No. But neither are doctors. To be honest, I take my health problems/concerns, wants and needs to the good Lord and let Him guide me. There's alot of his information and studies done on various things which can be found on ncbi dot com (published medical studies). Wet just have to be our best advocates, and always try to be careful when making any decisions.
You guys have helped me alot. I did dermastamping for years and stopped cold when I read your reviews. Don't you know I discovered some superficial scratches from an old dermaroller I used last year that had bent needles (which I saw after the fact). I would've never paid close attention if not for your reviews, so thank you. That discovery led me to the estrogen and everything is almost entirely smoothed over. I'm using it on a chicken pox scar that is even getting shallower! By the way, I read somewhere that some dermatologists that are in the know are starting to compound estrogen into facial creams because of its anti aging benefits. Unfortunately, there's just no way to avoid the hormonal aspect of aging skin. I'm realizing that more and more and it sucks.
March 29, 2018
Thank you so much for sharing your " best kept secret" Tuffy! We really appreciated it :)
I have learned a lot from you as well and always value your opinions and suggestions.
I have learned a lot from you as well and always value your opinions and suggestions.
March 29, 2018
Tuffy,
Last question, how long have you been using IsoSensuals CURVE?
I have been reading about the product's ingredients and it sounds very interesting ( and promising!)
Thanks!
Last question, how long have you been using IsoSensuals CURVE?
I have been reading about the product's ingredients and it sounds very interesting ( and promising!)
Thanks!
March 29, 2018
Wondering if it also helps to grow up the fat cells that are already melted down (died) due to these procedures...Really interesting topic!
March 29, 2018
There are surrounding/surviving fat cells that could theoretically be multiplied.
March 29, 2018
Correct!
I have been watching before/ after pics of "butts" and they show a big change in the volume. Wondering how it works on the face. I mean, how to control the grown of the fat cells so that the face does not become to big ? How do you control that ?
Sorry for my question. I am VERY interested about this treatment and Want to learn as much as I can !
I think that your " discovery " is just genial Tuffy!
Thanks again for sharing it with us !
I have been watching before/ after pics of "butts" and they show a big change in the volume. Wondering how it works on the face. I mean, how to control the grown of the fat cells so that the face does not become to big ? How do you control that ?
Sorry for my question. I am VERY interested about this treatment and Want to learn as much as I can !
I think that your " discovery " is just genial Tuffy!
Thanks again for sharing it with us !
March 29, 2018
Well, as far as controlling the volume, I use it for a few days, then wait a few days to see the growth to determine if I want to continue. As for uncontrolled growth, when I first started I put in on my forehead for a couple months which was really looking boney. Then, when I couldn't see the bones anymore, I stopped. Since then there has not been any further growth which I too was wandering about what would happen. My forehead is still smooth and looks the same as when I stopped months ago (had not grown more, or decreased). I'm very happy with that. The temples are more stubborn because of less fat cells in that area, I think. The undereyes picked it up fast, but it still takes time to fill in deep troughs. But, I'm satisfied I won't need fat transfers anytime soon. Like I said, it takes the hard edges off. I'msatisfied with subtle results.
My experience with the product is it continues to act on the fat cells for a small window after you apply it, then to continue the growth (build on it/reapply) until you are satisfied you see a change. Then stop for a while and see if you need more. That's why it recommends applying it twice a day (on bottle) for 6 months. There's a cumulative effect to the constant application and building up the fat cells. The fattier areas build up faster because there's more fat to stimulate. It says apply for 6 months but I read a review where a girl used it for 3 years and really got the butt she wanted, then stopped. I will tell you, my booty just recently looked larger at the 9 month mark. Again, it takes time. These are my experiences with it anyway.
My experience with the product is it continues to act on the fat cells for a small window after you apply it, then to continue the growth (build on it/reapply) until you are satisfied you see a change. Then stop for a while and see if you need more. That's why it recommends applying it twice a day (on bottle) for 6 months. There's a cumulative effect to the constant application and building up the fat cells. The fattier areas build up faster because there's more fat to stimulate. It says apply for 6 months but I read a review where a girl used it for 3 years and really got the butt she wanted, then stopped. I will tell you, my booty just recently looked larger at the 9 month mark. Again, it takes time. These are my experiences with it anyway.
March 30, 2018
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE IT!!! I already ordered my bottle at Amazon!
Thank you Tuffy! You give me hopes!
I will let you know my results :)
Thank you Tuffy! You give me hopes!
I will let you know my results :)
March 30, 2018
Hope is a wonderful thing :). It is liberating to know you're in some control of how to fix your own problems. Just be prepared to be patient (that's the trade off).
Also, skin firmness (or the lack thereof) and the fat underneath it are two different areas and both need to be addressed. If you enhance fat without firming up skin, you're only addressing part of the problem. I know you're doing your due diligence in that area too.
Also, skin firmness (or the lack thereof) and the fat underneath it are two different areas and both need to be addressed. If you enhance fat without firming up skin, you're only addressing part of the problem. I know you're doing your due diligence in that area too.
March 30, 2018
Ah ok...Thought those were for texture and elasticity...Already ordered those ones as well :). I will provide you an update in a few weeks.
Also, I just added an organic avocado oil and fish oil cream to my daily skin care routine.
Thank you Tuffy! I really appreciate your help :)
Also, I just added an organic avocado oil and fish oil cream to my daily skin care routine.
Thank you Tuffy! I really appreciate your help :)
April 5, 2018
Hey ladies!
I also had a rejuvapen treatment (shutters even typing it) and have gone from porcelain - good for my age skin - to horrible bags under my eyes, orange peel texture and a thick uncomfortable feeling like I cant move my face. (If any of you have anything for the dark circles under the eyes please let me know as this has been the most noticeable) BUT I just wanted to share that from Odette's suggestion I started doing massage and I completely agree that it helps with texture. It needs to be only facial, aggressive and hurt during the process. But it is breaking up that scar tissue. I also got guasha and cupping done in a combined session and I am not sure if it did anything except make it red for a few days. Maybe slight circulation improvement. It's hard to tell.
But my last thing I will say is I spoke to a very sweet and knowlegable guy in the nature's grocers supplement department and he recommended enzymedica - repair gold. Supposedly it has enzymes that break down scar tissue that we produce less and less of especially after 30. I will keep you posted on its long term effects but I can tell you I felt a slight loosening of my face after taking it this morning. Just want to throw something out there because you ladies have helped me so much!
And lastly, stay positive. I've been going to yoga and the mind is the biggest healer we have. Stay happy and remember we are afraid of looking old, but it's also a good thing because it means were still alive! Dead people wish they could look old. "Whoever is free from all fear will always be safe." - Tao Te Ching
Don't be afraid of what is happening. Accept it. And don't be afraid to be a "[RS bleep]" and start a lawsuit. I am. Because this shouldn't be allowed to happen and it doesn't make me angry or bitter. It just means it's wrong.
God bless all!
I also had a rejuvapen treatment (shutters even typing it) and have gone from porcelain - good for my age skin - to horrible bags under my eyes, orange peel texture and a thick uncomfortable feeling like I cant move my face. (If any of you have anything for the dark circles under the eyes please let me know as this has been the most noticeable) BUT I just wanted to share that from Odette's suggestion I started doing massage and I completely agree that it helps with texture. It needs to be only facial, aggressive and hurt during the process. But it is breaking up that scar tissue. I also got guasha and cupping done in a combined session and I am not sure if it did anything except make it red for a few days. Maybe slight circulation improvement. It's hard to tell.
But my last thing I will say is I spoke to a very sweet and knowlegable guy in the nature's grocers supplement department and he recommended enzymedica - repair gold. Supposedly it has enzymes that break down scar tissue that we produce less and less of especially after 30. I will keep you posted on its long term effects but I can tell you I felt a slight loosening of my face after taking it this morning. Just want to throw something out there because you ladies have helped me so much!
And lastly, stay positive. I've been going to yoga and the mind is the biggest healer we have. Stay happy and remember we are afraid of looking old, but it's also a good thing because it means were still alive! Dead people wish they could look old. "Whoever is free from all fear will always be safe." - Tao Te Ching
Don't be afraid of what is happening. Accept it. And don't be afraid to be a "[RS bleep]" and start a lawsuit. I am. Because this shouldn't be allowed to happen and it doesn't make me angry or bitter. It just means it's wrong.
God bless all!
UPDATED FROM odettemustafa
1 year post
Update on facials
odettemustafaMarch 1, 2018
As promised an update.
Doing a series about and then once every 4 weeks for maintance.
Had 5 constructive tissue facial massages so far, combined with LED light and an AHA peel 2x. The whole treatment is about 120 minutes of which a solid hour of massage. The massage is intense and leaves bruises ( I bruise easily ) and some blood points but these all fade within 2-3 days.
I truly believe this combination of treatment is doing wonders for my skin. The tracks on my face are way less noticeable, and the weird bubbly, snake like texture is also way less noticeable.
Not doing much for my pores.
Wrinkles a bit softer but only if I don't smile so I think it s more that the tracks have softened.
Also since my " journey" I lost 14 kilos and this definitely shows in my face which probably makes the wrinkles more obvious when I smile.
I have 7 more treatments to go and after that 1x every 4 weeks for maintance.
I am comparing/basing the improvements of my skin after the devasting Dermapen treatment and am happy with the improvements. I am not comparing to as to what my skin was like before Dermapen cause then I would not be thrilled, it is still a long way from what it was before and after 22 months I doubt it will ever be as smooth as before.
Having said that, seeing my complexion improving is I am giving a thumbs up for this combination of massage plus LED.
As for the wrinkles, I have been considering a SMAS/mini face lift cause also around my mouth there is droppiness most likely due to my weight loss. But I am still very hesitant about surgery, never thought I would consider this, so gonna wait till I am done with my facials and re-evaluate at the end of this year.
Added oxygen cream and an new serum called Absolution serum, based on Granactive Retinol which the company claims is as effective as Retinol Vitamin A but has way less chance for skin irritation, mmmmmmh we shall see.
Will update in a few months to let you all know the long term effect and if I think it was worth it.
Some days I wonder if I want to see improvements or if my skin is actually improving...I think it is, but some days I think it could also be that I have just gotten used to it. Still I am feeling happy and think this is most important above all.
Added some pictures so you all can judge for yourself.
Stay strong and keep dancing x
Doing a series about and then once every 4 weeks for maintance.
Had 5 constructive tissue facial massages so far, combined with LED light and an AHA peel 2x. The whole treatment is about 120 minutes of which a solid hour of massage. The massage is intense and leaves bruises ( I bruise easily ) and some blood points but these all fade within 2-3 days.
I truly believe this combination of treatment is doing wonders for my skin. The tracks on my face are way less noticeable, and the weird bubbly, snake like texture is also way less noticeable.
Not doing much for my pores.
Wrinkles a bit softer but only if I don't smile so I think it s more that the tracks have softened.
Also since my " journey" I lost 14 kilos and this definitely shows in my face which probably makes the wrinkles more obvious when I smile.
I have 7 more treatments to go and after that 1x every 4 weeks for maintance.
I am comparing/basing the improvements of my skin after the devasting Dermapen treatment and am happy with the improvements. I am not comparing to as to what my skin was like before Dermapen cause then I would not be thrilled, it is still a long way from what it was before and after 22 months I doubt it will ever be as smooth as before.
Having said that, seeing my complexion improving is I am giving a thumbs up for this combination of massage plus LED.
As for the wrinkles, I have been considering a SMAS/mini face lift cause also around my mouth there is droppiness most likely due to my weight loss. But I am still very hesitant about surgery, never thought I would consider this, so gonna wait till I am done with my facials and re-evaluate at the end of this year.
Added oxygen cream and an new serum called Absolution serum, based on Granactive Retinol which the company claims is as effective as Retinol Vitamin A but has way less chance for skin irritation, mmmmmmh we shall see.
Will update in a few months to let you all know the long term effect and if I think it was worth it.
Some days I wonder if I want to see improvements or if my skin is actually improving...I think it is, but some days I think it could also be that I have just gotten used to it. Still I am feeling happy and think this is most important above all.
Added some pictures so you all can judge for yourself.
Stay strong and keep dancing x
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March 1, 2018
Hello odettemustafa! Thank you VERY much for your update and the good news about this treatment!
I can see a great improving in the texture of your skin and winkles! Your skin looks soooo soft and hydrated now! Also, the "snake texture" is gone! Wonderful!
Can you please tell me what kind of LED light they are using and if you have noticed any fat loss after the procedure? I am trying to figure out if LED light would be a good treatment to fix the texture of my skin, but I am afraid of losing the injected fat in my face.
Thanks!
Please keep us posted!
I can see a great improving in the texture of your skin and winkles! Your skin looks soooo soft and hydrated now! Also, the "snake texture" is gone! Wonderful!
Can you please tell me what kind of LED light they are using and if you have noticed any fat loss after the procedure? I am trying to figure out if LED light would be a good treatment to fix the texture of my skin, but I am afraid of losing the injected fat in my face.
Thanks!
Please keep us posted!
March 1, 2018
Hi Caro34, this bubbly snake like skin and the scratch marks arent gone but it all looks more superficial now, not so deep and yes it feels and looks very soft and hydrated ! I took these pics with my phone cause my tab crashed and the pics are not very clear. But yes, I believe it is all looking up :-) compared to 22 months ago. Not just because of only the LED but for sure also cause of the deep constructive massages which stimulate the blood flow, gets rid of blockages and is said to stimulate collegan, now the collegan part I am sceptical about, all these various treatments promising collegan build up why would any woman still have wrinkles... ( but Google it, I haven't found 1 negative review) For an honest review of each individual treatment I should have done these seperate but I decided to combined these.
It is difficult to say if I had fat loss due to the Dermapen because I lost so much weight within a few months after the microneedling.
I don't know if Led would affect your fat transfer. As for the massage, it goes really deep, ( 1stx hurts, 2nd x very uncomfortable, then not so bad) You would have to research that before you start, sorry not being any help. I will ask her next time I go if she has info on this.
I try to do the LED once a week, when I get the facial it is only red light about 15 minutes then the next week I go to a salon that has a device which has all 4 colours, , 1st red, then blue, then orange then green. I put on a multivitamin serum and then 24 minutes under the device, 6 mins each colour. As LED doesn't give off heat ( unlike IPL or other devices ) I would think it shouldn't affect the injected fat, but if in doubt, don't do it. You look really awesome, can't be too careful !
I haven't noticed a reduction of fat since I started LED but have only done it a few times and don't yet know the long term effect. I will update in a few months and will give you my opinion if I see a change in my facial fat ( pray that won't happen...)
It is difficult to say if I had fat loss due to the Dermapen because I lost so much weight within a few months after the microneedling.
I don't know if Led would affect your fat transfer. As for the massage, it goes really deep, ( 1stx hurts, 2nd x very uncomfortable, then not so bad) You would have to research that before you start, sorry not being any help. I will ask her next time I go if she has info on this.
I try to do the LED once a week, when I get the facial it is only red light about 15 minutes then the next week I go to a salon that has a device which has all 4 colours, , 1st red, then blue, then orange then green. I put on a multivitamin serum and then 24 minutes under the device, 6 mins each colour. As LED doesn't give off heat ( unlike IPL or other devices ) I would think it shouldn't affect the injected fat, but if in doubt, don't do it. You look really awesome, can't be too careful !
I haven't noticed a reduction of fat since I started LED but have only done it a few times and don't yet know the long term effect. I will update in a few months and will give you my opinion if I see a change in my facial fat ( pray that won't happen...)
March 19, 2018
Dear Odettemustafa, I have never written anything on realself before, because my english is not so good . But I want to tell you that I followed all your posts because I had similar expieriences like you, with a dermapen treatment. It was done by a renommated Doctor in a Klinik in Germany last year in November 2017. The doctor did the treatment too aggressive and i think with too long needles and now my nasolabialfolds (lines) are much deeper than before, my skintexture is very bad and next to the nasolabial folds there is scarring. I am 40 years old, for me it is very difficult to accept what happened with my skin, I am very unhappy. But i am so thankful to read your comments because they give me hope. I think your skin looks much much better than at the beginning and your skintexture really is improving!
Because of your writing, I do glycolic acid peel too (every day i use a 15 % aha treatment with a ph 3.3) and think my skin is getting better, but the scarring does not improve. I am thinking about whether a tca peeling might help, but i am afraid of the negative side effects that might occure. Since all that happend, i went to 2 skindoctors....the first said i have to wait and the second said to do a lasertreatment, but i would never do laser after all i have read on realself! So now I started a serie of mild microdermabrasion combined with ultrashall and hyalouron acid. Skin is improving a little bit. Ofettemustafa, i wish you all the best and thank you from my heart, that you post so honestly and constant over all the time. Many
greetings from paddingtonbrown:-))
Because of your writing, I do glycolic acid peel too (every day i use a 15 % aha treatment with a ph 3.3) and think my skin is getting better, but the scarring does not improve. I am thinking about whether a tca peeling might help, but i am afraid of the negative side effects that might occure. Since all that happend, i went to 2 skindoctors....the first said i have to wait and the second said to do a lasertreatment, but i would never do laser after all i have read on realself! So now I started a serie of mild microdermabrasion combined with ultrashall and hyalouron acid. Skin is improving a little bit. Ofettemustafa, i wish you all the best and thank you from my heart, that you post so honestly and constant over all the time. Many
greetings from paddingtonbrown:-))
March 21, 2018
Hi Paddingtonbrown,
I am so sorry you also have damaged skin.
Personally I would wait with any other invasive treatment till your skin has healed some cause right now your skin barrier is probably compromised and from a logic point of view I would think to first strengthen the skin before doing anything else.
Personally I chose not to do laser, which was also advised to me by a dermatologist who said after 6 months we could try that, but I don't have the guts for I m kind of like, if 1 microneedling treatment can do this much damage to my skin, who is to say the laser won't, same goes for TCA although right now I have been thinking about it that perhaps in the future... I have read many positive but also many negative reviews. It s frustrating...
I can say from experience that I am very content with the deep constructive tissue facial massages in combination with LED , oxygen cream, vitamin C serum, Granactive Retinoid serum, and multivitamin spray. I know a long list..... I think my skin has improved by at least 60% so far and since I started the above it looks fresh. All the issues are still there but not as deep as before, so still hoping it will continue to improve. (However not the wrinkles, I m afraid in order to tackle these more drastic measures must be taken)
I will do another review around June and hopefully it will be a positive one and I wish the same for you !
I am so sorry you also have damaged skin.
Personally I would wait with any other invasive treatment till your skin has healed some cause right now your skin barrier is probably compromised and from a logic point of view I would think to first strengthen the skin before doing anything else.
Personally I chose not to do laser, which was also advised to me by a dermatologist who said after 6 months we could try that, but I don't have the guts for I m kind of like, if 1 microneedling treatment can do this much damage to my skin, who is to say the laser won't, same goes for TCA although right now I have been thinking about it that perhaps in the future... I have read many positive but also many negative reviews. It s frustrating...
I can say from experience that I am very content with the deep constructive tissue facial massages in combination with LED , oxygen cream, vitamin C serum, Granactive Retinoid serum, and multivitamin spray. I know a long list..... I think my skin has improved by at least 60% so far and since I started the above it looks fresh. All the issues are still there but not as deep as before, so still hoping it will continue to improve. (However not the wrinkles, I m afraid in order to tackle these more drastic measures must be taken)
I will do another review around June and hopefully it will be a positive one and I wish the same for you !
March 26, 2018
Hi Caro,
The beautician says with fillers it is advised to wait 4 weeks before the deep tissue massage. She has no experience with fat transfer but thinks since it is own body fat that same would apply.
As for the LED, the lady at the salon (as I expected) said there is no heat involved so should not be a problem. But then again, we've all heard that claim before, but I am currently not seeing any downside, only progress.
I will post again in a month or 2 and from the results so far I am very optimistic :-)
Hope you are doing fine! And please also keep us posted!!!
The beautician says with fillers it is advised to wait 4 weeks before the deep tissue massage. She has no experience with fat transfer but thinks since it is own body fat that same would apply.
As for the LED, the lady at the salon (as I expected) said there is no heat involved so should not be a problem. But then again, we've all heard that claim before, but I am currently not seeing any downside, only progress.
I will post again in a month or 2 and from the results so far I am very optimistic :-)
Hope you are doing fine! And please also keep us posted!!!
March 20, 2018
Have you tried Noirisil md silicone scar gel?
March 23, 2018
Just Googled it.
Sounds good, definitely something I will look into.
Have you experience with this gel ?
Sounds good, definitely something I will look into.
Have you experience with this gel ?
March 26, 2018
Hi Odettemustafa, thank you very much for your reply. You are right, the best would be to wait and give skin time to heal. But one cannot wait, because it is so frustrating that healing takes such a long time.
My list of serums and creams that i now daily use is nearly as long as yours. Before the treatment i just used one cream for my face, one for my eays and did never do any beautytreatment before. My intention of doing the needling was just, to improve my skin texture and look a little bit fresher/younger. But now? I cannot stop searching for a solution to fix my "selfmade" skinproblems.
In your last comment you wrote. That you maybe consider to do a mini Face Lift. In my opinion, there is really no need of doing this. You are beautiful the way you are!
All the best:-))
My list of serums and creams that i now daily use is nearly as long as yours. Before the treatment i just used one cream for my face, one for my eays and did never do any beautytreatment before. My intention of doing the needling was just, to improve my skin texture and look a little bit fresher/younger. But now? I cannot stop searching for a solution to fix my "selfmade" skinproblems.
In your last comment you wrote. That you maybe consider to do a mini Face Lift. In my opinion, there is really no need of doing this. You are beautiful the way you are!
All the best:-))
March 26, 2018
Ja it is frustrating but please have patience.
I understand your emotions all too well about wanted a fix yesterday but reality is there is no quick fix. Time is your enemy and your friend.
Thank you for your compliment. I am seeing so much progress with current
treatments that for now it is only research.
All the best to you too
I understand your emotions all too well about wanted a fix yesterday but reality is there is no quick fix. Time is your enemy and your friend.
Thank you for your compliment. I am seeing so much progress with current
treatments that for now it is only research.
All the best to you too
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Yes I use Tret for about 7 months now and it is absolutely improving the surface of my skin.
I had to cut out some strong actives, ( like Niod 30% L'ascorbic acid since using Tret cause skin became irritated ) and after eliminating some actives, I have zero side effects from Tret, not even peeling. BUT u will have to see for yourself how your skin reacts and what are do's and dont's for your skin.
My routine has been simplified compared to 1 or 2 years ago ( and compared to before microneedling, my current routine is just ridiculous, but it s working...)
Firstly want to say, I have cut out all fragrance (and essential oils ) denatured alcohol, and I try as much as possible to go cruelty free. This all is a personal choice.
My current routine for the past 7 months is:
Night time routine:
Every evening wash with Inkey List Oat Cleansing Balm.
4x a week
1.Dr.Jetske Ultee Toner
2.CosRX B5 ampoule
3.Inkey List Ceramide Night Treatment
4.CeraVe PM Moisturising Lotion
5.Prescribed Tretinoid on face, under eyes, upper eyes( not eyelids)
I still have a bottle of Medik8 R-Retionate which I use on my neck, but after finishing it, will also start with Tret )
3x a week:
1.Dr.Jetske Ultee Toner
2.The Ordinary Copper Peptides
3.Biossance Squalane and Omega Repair Cream
4.Fair Studios Jojoba Oil
Morning routine 7x a week :
Wash face with luke warm water and Muslin Cloth.
1.Medik8 Press and Glow PHA Tonic
2.Niod Survival 0
3.Inkey List Q10
4.Dr.Jetske Ultee Moisturizer
5.Skinnies Conquer SPF50 sunscreen
( and for blush, Colourscience SPF50 Blush Colorbalm)
I also use a few more products for hyperpigmentation and eye area but that has nothing to do with microneedling damage.
Then:
3x a week, 20 minutes each session, Current Body Red And InfraRed Led mask
1x a month
The Ordinary AHA30%- BHA2% Peel
1x a month Hannah Enzymatic Skin Peel
Every 6 weeks a deep facial tissue massage
2x a year Dr.Schrammek Classic Green Peel
So ja, when naming everything, it does come down to a regime...
I ve tried many other things but have put together this since starting with Tretinoid and all I can say is WAUW and looking forward to see progress the next 7 months!
Do want to say, just cause it s working for me, may not work for someone else. It really is all about finding the products that work for your skin.
Also it depends on expectations. I have no expectation that all my skin damage will resolve, and to me that s okay, cause I think my skin now looks fresh again and has a healthy glow. Sure up close I can still see the irregularities, but they are becoming more superficial and I am 100% convinced that people that don't see anything weird bout my skin texture. I will be honest when I say I am "glad" this happened to me at an age where it is expected that the skin will start showing aging and that this didn't happen when I was younger. Aging at my age is inevitable and therefore my expectations may be different then someone younger.
I wish you all the best and hope you can find a routine that works for you x
This site is difficult for me to navigate with my current iPhone.
Thank you so much!
I really could use the connection regarding ways to heal from this Derma Pen experience
as it has completely taken over my life & I work so hard at being positive but I see no improvement. I have become a hermit as a result. I appreciate anyone that can help.
When you start with Tret , you really need to keep that skin hydrated and sunprotected.
Start with 1x a week for like a month, then 2x a week per month and slowly work your way up depending on how your skin reacts. AlWAYS wear sunscreen, reapply a couple of times daily! , walk in the shade and wear a SPF protected hat during the summer.
I also have taught myself to sleep on my back on a wedge and pillow, it s real difficult at first but does pay off.
FYI , I do the Dr.Schrammek peels during the winter and now that it is summer, I will also cut out the 30%AHA-2%BHA peel.
All these products makes the skin more sensitive to the sun and I am just super extra careful during the summer months.
Please just listen to what your skin is asking for, again, everybody reacts differently and what works great for me could be irritating for someone else's skin.
Be well and stay safe x
pure white sunscreen to my face and all of the little holes appeared. if you ever want to know how your skin really looks apply zinc to it and it will show every little texture (yikes). I freaked out because I realized that I had damaged my skin. It's taken about 3 years for those holes to eventually become fine lines and then eventually smooth out.I believe that is part of the long-term healing process and possible collagen induction, BUT I would never risk the scarring again, ever-ever-ever. I believe microneedling is a form of texturizing much like you would pound meat with a meat cleaver - it can actually do a lot of damage to the skin and possibly the underlying tissues like tenderizing fat. Can the skin heal from that experience eventually, sure. And that's probably what both of us have experienced. But was it worth it? I say no.
There's a YouTuber, a do-it-yourselfer her channel, til tok and YouTube is called "Natural Kaos", and she does a lot of super aggressive microneedling and plumeir burning, threads, and she even bought an at home hifu machine. If you look at her videos from just a year ago you see the complete universal fat loss, and in certain lights when she doesn't use a filter you can see the puncture marks from all the microneedling she does. I mean her skin has thinned out an aged, tremendously but because it looks thinner she thinks she looks younger, when she actually used to look younger because she had more baby fat. my point is that I don't think people realize how much trauma they're causing to their skin which is what natural aging will do anyway, so it's basically just speeding up the aging process. We need all of those native structures in place as we age.
I'm glad you were healing. You've been through a lot and I know it's been a long hard road. Thank you for the update! It's so nice to finally get on with life, and not be afraid to look in the mirror, isn't it? Take care!
Yes I remember talking to you
I m happy for u that ur skin has cleared up !
As for was it worth it, I would not ever do this again, not for a million euros. Be safe and take care too x