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Adventures in Home Microneedling, Part 1: Eradicating a Lip Wrinkle

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Despite using Retin-A regularly for about 27...

MissyTuTu
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Despite using Retin-A regularly for about 27 years, I've developed my first wrinkle. I'm 52, so I'm not complaining about that. What bugs me is that it's a vertical lip wrinkle, located above my top lip, and it's become quite noticeable over the past year and I've decided to do something about it.
After researching possible treatments -- lasers (too unpredictable), fillers and Botox (pricey and don't last long for the money) -- I learned about microneedling. I got a derma roller and a dermastamp, both with 1.5 mm needles, the length recommended for the upper lip area in order to reach the dermis, the layer beneath the epidermis where collagen is produced. I also got a tube of 5% lidocaine numbing cream.
This morning I started the process. I forgot to take a "before" photo, so the ones you see were taken about 4 hours afterward. You should be able to see it -- it's like the San Andreas Fault.
First, I soaked the roller and the stamp in alcohol for 15 minutes, and then set them up to air-dry. Then I applied the lidocaine generously to my upper lip area and let it sit for 30 minutes. The area felt pretty numb. I cleansed off all traces of it so it wouldn't be driven into my skin by the needles. You must start with clean skin, because any substance on your skin will end up IN your skin, and if you're allergic to any of the ingredients, you could end up with a bad reaction.
Then I went to work on that wrinkle, as well as the rest of my upper lip area (but not the lip itself)!
Well, I don't consider myself a wimp, but it hurt like hell! First I used the derma roller, and worked in thirds (left side, middle, right side), moving the roller about 10 times back and forth, 10 times up and down, and ten times in both diagonal directions. I didn't use to heavy pressure or go too fast. I could see in the mirror the entire length of the needles was penetrating my skin, so I knew the pressure was just right.
I had to stop several times to take some deep breaths and wipe my eyes, which were watering like mad because of the stinging. I patted the blood off with a cotton pad (at 1.5 mm, you WILL have pinpint droplets of blood wherever the needles have punctured your skin), and then used the derma stamp specifically on the wrinkle. I pressed the stamp into the wrinkle several times. I patted the area again, and then applied tretinoin (in the form of Retin-A). Whatever you choose to apply afterward will enter the microchannels, so again, be careful. The channels close up in a few hours.
I was so glad to be done, and to know I'd have a 4-week break before the next self-torture session! Good grief!
Oh, I almost forgot to mention the very strange popping/crunching sound as the needles went in to my skin. It was a bit unnerving.
The treated area was bright pink at first, with burning and tingling. Now it's been about 5 hours and it's mildly pink and has a tingly/itchy feeling, but it's not bad.
I rinsed the equipment afterward and plopped it back into some alcohol to soak.
I used a DRS Titanium Dermaroller that contains 200 needles (I bought a set of three, as I intend to do other areas, like my neck, if this works) and a DRS derma stamp with 40 titanium needles.
Be careful about the type you buy. Many of the super-cheap derma rollers don't even have actual needles -- they're more like triangular knives, which will tear or slice your skin up. That's not the goal of derma rolling -- you do NOT want to create injuries that fill in with scar tissue -- you want to create "micro-channels" (straight punctures) that stimulate fibroblasts to produce collagen through your natural healing process. The loss of collagen is what produced the wrinkle in the first place, caused by movement of the lips, sun exposure, and age. It makes sense to replace it.
I will take photos after 4 weeks, and post them here. I expect to need several treatments over several months. I can only hope it will become more tolerable! I'm going to apply lidocaine twice, over an hour, the next time I do this. The upper lip area is very sensitive.
Lip wrinkles are tough, but I'm determined! Wish me luck!

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Replies (43)

November 11, 2015
Please keep us posted! I have the same issue but have not tried dermapen yet. Looking forward to your process
November 11, 2015
I'll definitely be posting my results monthly ( unless there's a miracle; in that case I'll be back sooner!)
November 17, 2015
I wish I had taken before pics. I have been microneedling weekly with a .5mm for 6 months and do notice a difference on that nasty lip line and my face around my jowls is definitely thinner looking. The hubby commented on how much he cal tell and had me order him a derma roller he is so impressed with my results. We went to a party and I was probably 10 or 15 years older than most people there and he said my skin looks better than all of theirs. Maybe a 1.5 is too much to start out with I do use a 1mm and a 1.5 every once in a while on the deeper lines, but that's it. BTW I have also been using retin since I was 40 and am 66 now and people constantly ask how I keep my skin so smooth That stuff has been wonderful too. I am thrilled with the results all over both my face and neck microneedling It does work if you do it religiously
November 17, 2015
BTW I really don't think you have to wait so long between sessions. I have only had gain from doing it weekly and no problems at all
November 17, 2015
This is good to hear. I swear, between microneedling and Retin-A, all the plastic surgeons will be out of business!

Thanks, realpromo!
November 17, 2015
The longer the needle, the longer the wait between sessions.
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January 17, 2016
Hi! I have been using a Dr Roller 0.5 dermoroller. It's great quality. Now I've got used to the sensation I might go for a 1.0mm roller! Need to use it more frequently though. I will buy Dr Roller again as I like the quality. Thanks for your very helpful review!
November 23, 2015
Hi! I'm encouraged by your report. I'm new to my research so know nothing about purchasing the roller or numbing cream. Would you mind sharing where you purchased both? Thanks!
November 23, 2015
November 23, 2015
It's a great site!
November 23, 2015
I just got a 5% lidocaine cream on Amazon. I ordered the rollers not realizing I was getting them from Estonia, and it took over a month. I've heard Dr. Roller is a good brand. Mine are by DMS.

I'm not sure it's legal to sell them in the US, although I've seen some on ebay. You have to watch out for counterfeits.
November 24, 2015
Thank you so much!
July 26, 2018
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December 4, 2015
Frownies will nearly get rid of that within a matter of days. I had a deep crease in between my brows that I was close to getting botox to get rid of it, but I tried these out instead. It looks as if I had fillers injected because of how much it flattened it out. It's worth a try. I got mine on ebay for under $20. I've tried needling and dermarolling with little to no results for about 7 months. Frownies. Try em :) By the way, it's not a cure. It fixes deep creases and fine lines but you have to continue using them.
December 4, 2015
Even if they worked, which I don't believe, they're expensive and temporary. I'd rather spend my money betting that you sell them.
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December 7, 2015
did you roll the roller or stamp the skin with it?
I was too scared to do it when I tried needling a few times this year:/
what did you apply afterwards? a regular cream ( which)? or something dedicated to after microneedling?
December 7, 2015
Roller first, then stamp. I applied Retin-A afterward.

I'm planning to do it again tomorrow, but I am not looking forward to it! I'm going to leave the 5% lidocaine cream on longer before I start.
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December 7, 2015
I'm looking forward to Botox easing . I'm face has dropped, and my upper lip has rolled inside my mouth. Had restylane vital and will finish it on dec 18. I'll take a month break and purchase retino-a . I'm sure I'll get delivered by the end of January . I'll be healed and almost Botox free. I'll try retino-a then. Just once a week at the start. I may come back to gentle rolling after the summer.
Are you using 50+ SPF ?
December 7, 2015
Sorry to hear you had problems with Botox.

I SHOULD be using sunscreen but I rarely do. It's one of my New Year's resolutions.
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December 12, 2015
You're genetically gifted!
UPDATED FROM MissyTuTu
Day of treatment

I forgot to say...

MissyTuTu
I forgot to say I curled my upper lip around my teeth during the needling, to stretch the skin taught so the needles would penetrate more easily with less pain.

Also, I just found an interesting website called Bare Faced Truth dot com. It's written by two guys who are doctor/scientists who specialize in cosmecueticals, and there are several articles about microneedling. Two articles of interest are "Cosmeceuticals Applied to Skin during Microneedling. Safety, Efficacy, and Restoration of Sanity" and "Roll your own. Face."

They say using the wrong products along with microneedling can result in some serious skin reactions, including granulomas. They also say:

"A minimum of six weeks is recommended between two treatments as it takes that long for new natural collagen to form...

It is important to stress that in micro-needling, the longer the needle used mandates that the interval between treatments should also be longer. As noted above, needling into the deeper dermal layers requires time for desired changes to occur. More frequent use can produce a state of chronic inflammation that is in fact counterproductive...

Needles longer than 1.5 mm should not be used on the face.

Medical needling (0.5 mm or more) should be infrequent, spaced at least 2-4 weeks apart to allow healing around the dermal-epidermal junction, and to prevent scar tissue formation and collagen bundling problems due to due to chronic stimulation of the first phase of healing which is inflammatory."

I know there is some controversy over how long to wait between treatments, but since waiting 4 to 6 weeks can;t hurt (while doing it too frequently can) I choose to wait until my skin is definitely ready.

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November 7, 2015
Thank you! I'm going to try it!!!
November 7, 2015
Let me know how it goes! Use plenty of numbing cream! Good luck!
November 24, 2015
Thanks for the articles. I had been using the .5 weekly, but not religiously, so I'll probably stretch the time between to 2-4 weeks.
January 5, 2016

Thank you for all this great information. Your lip is perfect. I found your post while searching for info about body rollers. I had several deep and long lines (a couple went from my lip to my nose!). They are now gone! I attribute it to changing my diet to high fat/low carb and topical hyaluronic acid 2/day. FWIW.

February 1, 2016
Great post! So informative! I'm trying to deal with the same issue plus some other little upper lip lines at 39 years old :-/ wahhhh I learned a lot from your post, thank u. I thought that face rolling with anything other than .5 and maximum 1 were contraindicated. Any recommended links you can refer me to?
February 11, 2018
You need a numbing cream to put on your skin above your upper lip, and let it settle in for 20 mins and then use the mirconeedle.
UPDATED FROM MissyTuTu
8 days post

Is it possible? Results after 7 days!

MissyTuTu
I never expected to see results so soon, but my lip wrinkle has improved significantly! It's only been 7 days since my first home microneedling procedure.

This photo was taken right after washing my face. No moisturizer or makeup. I'm telling myself it must be due to something else... but that doesn't make sense; the wrinkle hasn't changed over the last year, not until now! It's surprising. The length and depth are markedly improved.

I still have 3 weeks until the next treatment, and it should continue filling in with collagen during that time. Who knows, I may not even need another one! I'll keep you posted...

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November 16, 2015
Wow! Very impressive. Where did you get the numbing cream? Prescription? Thanks for posting your pics!
November 16, 2015
It's surprising, really!

I got the numbing cream on Amazon. It's just a 5% lidocaine cream. That's the strongest available, I believe.
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November 16, 2015
I've been following you and tried needling on my lip lines too. I have only done it once and they look so much better. I did it without numbing cream, super painful, so I will probably order numbing cream too.
November 16, 2015
I could have never done it without numbing cream! What length needles did you use? I'm glad you're seeing results!
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November 17, 2015
I used a small embroidery needle that I soaked in alcohol. I read what you wrote about the length of the needle but I was only using the tip. ...wish I had taken "before"pics.
November 17, 2015
Ouch! Even the finest embroidery needle is much thicker than a microneedle, and you can't control the depth. You could end up with scar tissue, be careful!
November 17, 2015
Hi there! I'm about to embark on the needling experiment for the 2 fault lines that have appeared on my upper lip. Can you tell me which size needle you used? I'm thinking of 1.0mm.
November 17, 2015
I used the 1.5. Both lengths are recommended for that area, depending on what you read, so the 1.0 might get the job done with a lot less pain. Good luck, and let me know if it works!
April 3, 2016
I have the DMS roller kit. The directions sat definitely NOT to use the 1.5 size on your face EVER!! Just wondering why you did and how you didn't cause damage?
November 24, 2015
Missy, are you still seeing improvement? I was wondering if you had any swelling as a result. I've had a 1.5 roller and stamp in my drawer for 3 months. I started using the .5 on my face every week, but plan to move up to the 1.5 and target the lip lines.
December 3, 2015
Wow your lip line looks almost gone!! Where did you get your micro needles and did you only apply a Retin A after the procedure?
December 3, 2015
I only applied Retin-A. I got the DMS rollers online, not knowing the seller was based in Estonia. It took more than a month to get them.
January 31, 2016
About how much did you pay for the lip roller? Did they say how many uses you can get out of it? I have heard they are limited. Also did they seem good quality? I don't know anything about manufacturing in Estonia. Thanks for your posts!