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Adventures in Home Microneedling, Part 1: Eradicating a Lip Wrinkle
UPDATED FROM MissyTuTu
1 month post
Misadventures in Home Microneedling, Part 2: Lip Wrinkle
WORTH IT$105
I had great results from the first lip-wrinkle microneedling session, as pictured. Four weeks passed and it was time for another one. Since it was so painful last time, I left the 5% lidocaine gel on my upper lip area for one hour.When I washed off the gel, the area felt very numb. "This'll be a piece of cake," I thought. HA! It was far worse than last time. The 1.5 mm roller was intolerable, so I switched to a 1.5 mm stamp. I managed a few half-hearted stamps along the length of the wrinkle and gave up, planning to find a better anesthetic. I tried again with a 1.0 mm roller but it wasn't any better.I have a chicken pock scar above my right eyebrow that I rarely notice, but since I had a dermastamp in my hand I decided to take a stab at it. I stamped it a dozen times, without the use of anesthetic and without pain. Amazing how different parts of our face have such different levels of sensitivity! I didn't take photos of the scar, but I'll let you know how it goes.My determination to eradicate that lip wrinkle led me to Amazon in search of a stronger topical anesthetic. 5% is the highest strength allowed for over-the-counter lidocaine... unless the product is made for prolonging an erection, so I snatched up a bottle of Apex Spray with 10% lidocaine. The things we do for beauty!Speaking of lidocaine, there is a reason for limits on the strength. Lidocaine isn't just a numbing agent; it's a potent cardiac drug used for slowing down the heart rate. When you put lidocaine on your skin it's absorbed into the bloodstream, and depending on the amount there could be some serious consequences (death is one). Since my upper lip area is very small I'm not worried about that, but if you're going to microneedle a large area or multiple areas, it could be a problem. It's probably best to do smaller areas, each one on a different day. Oh, and for goodness sake, after the area is numb, WASH OFF THE LIDOCAINE with soap and water before you begin microneedling! Anything on the surface of your skin will be driven INTO your skin by the needles. Not only does this increase the risk of it affecting your heart, but it can also cause granulomas to form under the skin (hard bumps that are not easy to treat). Granulomas can form after microneedling due to inflammation triggered by irritation or allergy to any substance (not just lidocaine gel) ON the skin or applied AFTERWARD before the microchannels (openings left by the needles) close, which can take up to 12 hours. I know there are all kinds of potions for sale claiming they're for use with microneedling. Don't do it! If you're using needles long enough to penetrate into your dermal layer, you need to use extreme caution with what you apply before, during or afterward. There are very few products actually formulated for (and safe to use with) microneedling.One such product is Cellese's AnteAge Home Microneedling Solution with stem cell cytokines. I've ordered some for my next session. I applied Retin-A after my last treatment because a few docs here said it was safe, but I'm not 100% sure. The doctors on this site haven't exactly gained my trust, having seen some of their errors followed by their refusal to take responsibility (or to even acknowledge them) in many cases. That's why I avoid them. I'll do what I can, and leave it at that.Stay tuned for Part 3...
UPDATED FROM MissyTuTu
8 days post
Is it possible? Results after 7 days!
I never expected to see results so soon, but my lip wrinkle has improved significantly! It's only been 7 days since my first home microneedling procedure.
This photo was taken right after washing my face. No moisturizer or makeup. I'm telling myself it must be due to something else... but that doesn't make sense; the wrinkle hasn't changed over the last year, not until now! It's surprising. The length and depth are markedly improved.
I still have 3 weeks until the next treatment, and it should continue filling in with collagen during that time. Who knows, I may not even need another one! I'll keep you posted...
This photo was taken right after washing my face. No moisturizer or makeup. I'm telling myself it must be due to something else... but that doesn't make sense; the wrinkle hasn't changed over the last year, not until now! It's surprising. The length and depth are markedly improved.
I still have 3 weeks until the next treatment, and it should continue filling in with collagen during that time. Who knows, I may not even need another one! I'll keep you posted...
Replies (5)
A
November 16, 2015
Wow! Very impressive. Where did you get the numbing cream? Prescription? Thanks for posting your pics!
M
November 16, 2015
It's surprising, really!
I got the numbing cream on Amazon. It's just a 5% lidocaine cream. That's the strongest available, I believe.
I got the numbing cream on Amazon. It's just a 5% lidocaine cream. That's the strongest available, I believe.

Y
November 16, 2015
I've been following you and tried needling on my lip lines too. I have only done it once and they look so much better. I did it without numbing cream, super painful, so I will probably order numbing cream too.
M
November 16, 2015
I could have never done it without numbing cream! What length needles did you use? I'm glad you're seeing results!

Y
November 17, 2015
I used a small embroidery needle that I soaked in alcohol. I read what you wrote about the length of the needle but I was only using the tip. ...wish I had taken "before"pics.
M
November 17, 2015
Ouch! Even the finest embroidery needle is much thicker than a microneedle, and you can't control the depth. You could end up with scar tissue, be careful!
U
November 17, 2015
Hi there! I'm about to embark on the needling experiment for the 2 fault lines that have appeared on my upper lip. Can you tell me which size needle you used? I'm thinking of 1.0mm.
M
November 17, 2015
I used the 1.5. Both lengths are recommended for that area, depending on what you read, so the 1.0 might get the job done with a lot less pain. Good luck, and let me know if it works!
G
April 3, 2016
I have the DMS roller kit. The directions sat definitely NOT to use the 1.5 size on your face EVER!! Just wondering why you did and how you didn't cause damage?
K
November 24, 2015
Missy, are you still seeing improvement? I was wondering if you had any swelling as a result. I've had a 1.5 roller and stamp in my drawer for 3 months. I started using the .5 on my face every week, but plan to move up to the 1.5 and target the lip lines.
L
December 3, 2015
Wow your lip line looks almost gone!! Where did you get your micro needles and did you only apply a Retin A after the procedure?
M
December 3, 2015
I only applied Retin-A. I got the DMS rollers online, not knowing the seller was based in Estonia. It took more than a month to get them.
Z
January 31, 2016
About how much did you pay for the lip roller? Did they say how many uses you can get out of it? I have heard they are limited. Also did they seem good quality? I don't know anything about manufacturing in Estonia. Thanks for your posts!
UPDATED FROM MissyTuTu
Day of treatment
I forgot to say...
I forgot to say I curled my upper lip around my teeth during the needling, to stretch the skin taught so the needles would penetrate more easily with less pain.
Also, I just found an interesting website called Bare Faced Truth dot com. It's written by two guys who are doctor/scientists who specialize in cosmecueticals, and there are several articles about microneedling. Two articles of interest are "Cosmeceuticals Applied to Skin during Microneedling. Safety, Efficacy, and Restoration of Sanity" and "Roll your own. Face."
They say using the wrong products along with microneedling can result in some serious skin reactions, including granulomas. They also say:
"A minimum of six weeks is recommended between two treatments as it takes that long for new natural collagen to form...
It is important to stress that in micro-needling, the longer the needle used mandates that the interval between treatments should also be longer. As noted above, needling into the deeper dermal layers requires time for desired changes to occur. More frequent use can produce a state of chronic inflammation that is in fact counterproductive...
Needles longer than 1.5 mm should not be used on the face.
Medical needling (0.5 mm or more) should be infrequent, spaced at least 2-4 weeks apart to allow healing around the dermal-epidermal junction, and to prevent scar tissue formation and collagen bundling problems due to due to chronic stimulation of the first phase of healing which is inflammatory."
I know there is some controversy over how long to wait between treatments, but since waiting 4 to 6 weeks can;t hurt (while doing it too frequently can) I choose to wait until my skin is definitely ready.
Also, I just found an interesting website called Bare Faced Truth dot com. It's written by two guys who are doctor/scientists who specialize in cosmecueticals, and there are several articles about microneedling. Two articles of interest are "Cosmeceuticals Applied to Skin during Microneedling. Safety, Efficacy, and Restoration of Sanity" and "Roll your own. Face."
They say using the wrong products along with microneedling can result in some serious skin reactions, including granulomas. They also say:
"A minimum of six weeks is recommended between two treatments as it takes that long for new natural collagen to form...
It is important to stress that in micro-needling, the longer the needle used mandates that the interval between treatments should also be longer. As noted above, needling into the deeper dermal layers requires time for desired changes to occur. More frequent use can produce a state of chronic inflammation that is in fact counterproductive...
Needles longer than 1.5 mm should not be used on the face.
Medical needling (0.5 mm or more) should be infrequent, spaced at least 2-4 weeks apart to allow healing around the dermal-epidermal junction, and to prevent scar tissue formation and collagen bundling problems due to due to chronic stimulation of the first phase of healing which is inflammatory."
I know there is some controversy over how long to wait between treatments, but since waiting 4 to 6 weeks can;t hurt (while doing it too frequently can) I choose to wait until my skin is definitely ready.
Replies (5)
S
November 7, 2015
Thank you! I'm going to try it!!!
M
K
November 24, 2015
Thanks for the articles. I had been using the .5 weekly, but not religiously, so I'll probably stretch the time between to 2-4 weeks.
M
January 5, 2016
Thank you for all this great information. Your lip is perfect. I found your post while searching for info about body rollers. I had several deep and long lines (a couple went from my lip to my nose!). They are now gone! I attribute it to changing my diet to high fat/low carb and topical hyaluronic acid 2/day. FWIW.
D
February 1, 2016
Great post! So informative! I'm trying to deal with the same issue plus some other little upper lip lines at 39 years old :-/ wahhhh I learned a lot from your post, thank u. I thought that face rolling with anything other than .5 and maximum 1 were contraindicated. Any recommended links you can refer me to?
S
February 11, 2018
You need a numbing cream to put on your skin above your upper lip, and let it settle in for 20 mins and then use the mirconeedle.
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http://barefacedtruth.com/2012/12/20/roll-your-own/
Do you think marionete lines may be dermarolled too?
Happy 2016!