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dr bartell ONLY uses saline mentor moderate profile implants. His results aren't bad, but look elsewhere for better results!!
UPDATED FROM BringOnTheBoobzz
1 year post
Quick update for anyone who follows me...
$5,950
Some of you may or may not know that this review was from my first initial surgery for my BA. I did start another "revision" review under my new dr but always seemed to update on this review. I have updated my dr review on both Drs and I am seeking a new dr that I can trust that will help me fix my concerns. I don't know if I will start a new review under my current username once I find a new dr or if I will start a whole new account all together. It's been very helpful in reading back through my updates to remind me of the things I experienced but I do need to start a new review on my new journey and I'm just not sure what the "right" way to go about that is at the moment. I am also hoping to upload some last and final pictures of my before and after to both reviews but I need to figure out a way to scan them or somehow get them on here since they are a copy of what my surgeon gave me. Which ever route I go in starting my new review/journey I hope to not lose contact w those of you that have followed me and that I have followed. Love you all so deeply and can't express enough how much support I have gotten from everyone on here!!!! People aren't on here don't understand but I believe this website is the most legit one out there!!!
Well... On to seeking a new surgeon and the next chapter in this process! Hoping for the best and that this will finally be done and over with once and for all! :) then I can finally stop looking like a loon!! I swear I'm not and I truly just want to move on from all of this.
Well... On to seeking a new surgeon and the next chapter in this process! Hoping for the best and that this will finally be done and over with once and for all! :) then I can finally stop looking like a loon!! I swear I'm not and I truly just want to move on from all of this.
Replies (5)
F
September 13, 2016
If you decide to create another user name let us know. We'll follow. Good luck!

B
F
September 13, 2016
I agree with what some of the other ladies have said.. It's not your fault that you feel this way! It's extremely disappointing to go through a surgery and wait several months and then to be unhappy. Many of us who are struggling to accept out results understand where you are coming from. I have had only a few less than nice remarks from people on this site telling me that I was obsessing and wining about my boobs (I pay no mind to cyber bullies).
Do what is best for you and find a PS who understands what you want. My PS was just the same way and I only spent a total of 10 min before surgery with her... This is unacceptable!! You invested a lot and should have a doctor who will listen to your needs. Good luck on your search! xx
F
September 13, 2016
Also I might add that it's funny how some doctors use only one particular type/style of implants. Yours was moderate Sailine and my original PS used strictly HP and UHP's. I think that it's important to also choose a doctor who has experience with more than one type of implant and can offer you more choices.

B
September 13, 2016
Exactly!! Because each Individual person has different starting points and different end wish looks; so they require different implant sizes and profiles. I actually saw a horrible comment on your review and her comment led me into what seemed innocent reading and it quickly sucked me into a downward spiral of thinking I had some "disease" from those stupid implants!! I was so eager to get this surgery because I wanted it for so long and finally had the money to do it! My husband said he was on board but when I brought it up as something I definitely was going to do he blew up! I couldn't even talk to him about it and he tried to talk me out of it so part of me rushed into things thinking I did enough research and thinking I needed to get it done now because how dare he try to talk me out of it for his own jealous insecurities?! Just looking back and thinking about it all ticks me off!!!!
T
September 13, 2016
There are many people here would tell you mean things. But its not their bodies and they don't have to live with the unwanted baggage, so don't listen to them, do whatever it takes to make you feel happy again. The bottom line is we are not crazy. We are traumatized and we just want a surgeon who can keep up to his/her promises and give us the breast as close as to our wish without any future complications. We paid the money and we deserve it. We are not asking for a miracle or a set of boobs like the Hollywood big busted celebrities, we just want something thats not deformed.
W
September 13, 2016
Good luck with everything! Just read your whole review! Wow! Lol!! All the best! If you are interested in coming to NY my doctor is phenomenal but doesn't put large implants in.

B
September 13, 2016
Lol I went back through it the other day and man o man, was I all over the place!! This has been a nightmare to say the least. I am looking into consults outside of the area. But the first person I contacted said they didn't know how they could do a virtual consult given my situation which didn't give me much hope! But when I get more time I will be researching them more! And I need to have my husband take some pictures of me for these consults so they aren't "selfies".

B
September 13, 2016
I just checked him out on here and his website and it looks like majority of his patients get between 285cc and under 400, which I know will be too small for my frame
T
September 15, 2016
Have you tried taking a photo with your phone of the pictures and then uploading them that way?

B
September 15, 2016
No I haven't because the copy they gave me look like they are a copy of the originals on like a cardboard stock or something and the quality already looks bad I sort of figured they won't be the best if I take a pic of a pic. Doesn't hurt to try though right?!
UPDATED FROM BringOnTheBoobzz
1 year post
Had two consults today.. Feeling stressed, confused and overwhelmed...
Well I had two consults today, one with a new dr that I haven't met with in the past and the 2nd w the other surgeon I consulted w back in April. I'm feeling even more overwhelmed and unsure of what the right thing is to do and 2nd guessing my judgement more than ever.
1st consult today: was a female dr about an hour away..has awesome reviews everywhere I've looked online and has the personality I am seeking for patient care. Very understanding, listens, takes her time, very detailed and truly seems to have your best interest at heart-wants to make sure things are done correctly from the start and will tell you how it is without over promising things she can't deliver. My only true concern is that she has only been in practice for 5 years (if you include residency and all that more like 10, but usually you don't count that). She looked at my pre op photos, and the results I had at my 3 month check up from my first surgery and she could tell immediately why I was unhappy with my results, they were my old boobs with more volume and the shape just wasn't pretty. And then with my revision the dr just stuffed in more volume to give me the rounder look I was trying to achieve. She suggested a full lift with silicone implants I could chose between mod plus and HP. She also agreed with my assumptions that the first surgeon dissected my left pocket poorly and said she'd do everything in her power to figure out what was wrong and correct what she finds but couldn't promise any guaranteed results.
2nd consult: he was pretty set on just taking the implants out all together and just living/dealing without them.. I did not like the idea of this at all, I asked about removing them with a lift and he didn't think the lift was necessary and said that a lift w downsizing would be a bad idea. He said I could downsize but wanted to stick in the 350/375 range.. And didn't think I'd need a lift if I downsize. Which there is no way I am doing that! I will be very unhappy w the results. And his prices were ridiculous!
So I'm really on the fence here! I liked the female dr and her approach but I'm scared like hell to move forward with any of this! I have lots of thinking to do and I'd like to consult w a 3rd dr to get their opinion. I really feel like my first surgeon messed up my pocket causing damage to the muscle which is also giving me animation deformities on the left side at this time I truly feel like a 3rd surgery most likely won't fix my pain and explanting, allowing the pocket and muscle to heal and then starting all over from scratch may be the best route to go, but I'm not sure I can swallow that at the moment and I can only imagine how much of a toll that will take on me mentally and I don't know if I can handle it.
1st consult today: was a female dr about an hour away..has awesome reviews everywhere I've looked online and has the personality I am seeking for patient care. Very understanding, listens, takes her time, very detailed and truly seems to have your best interest at heart-wants to make sure things are done correctly from the start and will tell you how it is without over promising things she can't deliver. My only true concern is that she has only been in practice for 5 years (if you include residency and all that more like 10, but usually you don't count that). She looked at my pre op photos, and the results I had at my 3 month check up from my first surgery and she could tell immediately why I was unhappy with my results, they were my old boobs with more volume and the shape just wasn't pretty. And then with my revision the dr just stuffed in more volume to give me the rounder look I was trying to achieve. She suggested a full lift with silicone implants I could chose between mod plus and HP. She also agreed with my assumptions that the first surgeon dissected my left pocket poorly and said she'd do everything in her power to figure out what was wrong and correct what she finds but couldn't promise any guaranteed results.
2nd consult: he was pretty set on just taking the implants out all together and just living/dealing without them.. I did not like the idea of this at all, I asked about removing them with a lift and he didn't think the lift was necessary and said that a lift w downsizing would be a bad idea. He said I could downsize but wanted to stick in the 350/375 range.. And didn't think I'd need a lift if I downsize. Which there is no way I am doing that! I will be very unhappy w the results. And his prices were ridiculous!
So I'm really on the fence here! I liked the female dr and her approach but I'm scared like hell to move forward with any of this! I have lots of thinking to do and I'd like to consult w a 3rd dr to get their opinion. I really feel like my first surgeon messed up my pocket causing damage to the muscle which is also giving me animation deformities on the left side at this time I truly feel like a 3rd surgery most likely won't fix my pain and explanting, allowing the pocket and muscle to heal and then starting all over from scratch may be the best route to go, but I'm not sure I can swallow that at the moment and I can only imagine how much of a toll that will take on me mentally and I don't know if I can handle it.
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T
September 13, 2016
I am so sorry you are going through all these headaches. I am also on the same boat as you are. The way I am dealing with my situation and finding the right surgeon to do my revision is by looking at the number of cases of similar surgeries the surgeon has performed through out his/her career. Also reading the reviews in detail what other patients of similar situations had to say about that surgeon. At the end you also have to take into consideration about your wish. If you are not ready for an explant then you have to find the surgeon who can allow you to have implants along with fixing your problems. Don't just listen to what they have to say, they have to work with your expectations otherwise you will be miserable forever. Hope all works out well for you. Sending you best wishes and lots of hugzz

B
September 13, 2016
Thank you so much! Your kind words and support mean more than you can imagine and more than I can express over a few words on here! It means so much that a complete stranger can sympathize with my situation. I can't give up, but I also know I cannot obsess! I know that there is a surgeon out there that can help me fix this, I just need to find that one.. I do think I may go w the female dr I saw today. She seemed very confident and trust worthy but of course I am second guessing everything that I think is "right". I think I'm going to go back and see her and ask her more detail of what the life will look like and how much of my tissue I will be losing since I didn't have much to begin with. I want them to look natural in the lower pole yet have a nice round fullness to them. Not to mention a long term result along with no pain!!
I hope you too are able to get your situation all sorted out so you can move on and not have to worry about this stuff any more. Hugs back atcha ;-)
I hope you too are able to get your situation all sorted out so you can move on and not have to worry about this stuff any more. Hugs back atcha ;-)
T
September 13, 2016
Any time! This is a great place to vent and get the advices and information from others, this experience is something, no one can understand unless you yourself go through it. Definitely do more research, ask tons of questions. After reading many blogs here I came into the conclusion that not all the surgeons are good at doing revisions. I have booked three more consultation appointment so far. I just want to make sure they know what they are doing. Hang in there, we will get to our destination one day!
UPDATED FROM BringOnTheBoobzz
1 year post
Well I'm back ladies, still no relief!
I haven't been on here much in months, here and there I have to check in on a few ladies and research a few questions I've had but no update in months.
My left boob STILL HURTS! I am a year and 2 months out from my initial surgery(saline w armpit incision 500 & 525 cc) i am coming up on 8 months post op from my implant exchange (breast fold Incision, switched to Silicone 700cc uhp,why uhp? When I thought I was getting HP) the strange pain in my armpit is gone for the most part, however I still feel something weird under my skin "rubbing" against the inside of my tissues. This pain has come and gone for some time now, at this point I cannot wear a bra of ANY kind! While massaging my breasts I was slightly bent forward and w my hand under my left breast pressing inward and upward I felt the strangest thing, like a tugging from my crease to my nipple (inside under the skin) as if it has a thread connected that's pulling my nipple from the inside!
I keep trying to research this and some say it could be early signs of CC. And other say pain/discomfort is not the first sign! Well what the hell?! Then I found something that indicated mondors cord, but that it isn't "common" to have it where I do and for where I'm at post op wise, it usually runs from the crease down towards the stomach and subsides. I have tried a warm compress, consistent ibuprofen to reduce swelling and have been taking 1,000 UI of vitamin e daily since my revision surgery in December. At times it almost feels like the implant is too big for the pocket. They look pretty much the same and both feel the same. So I am completely stumped as to what is going on here! But I want an answer!
I have had so much anxiety, worry and fear over these "stupid" boobs that at times I wish I never did any of it. The thought of downsizing them has crossed my mind several times lately but Of course that comes with additional surgery, such as possibly a lift and I'm pretty sure pocket recision. I haven't talked to the dr yet but the only logic thing to do in my mind is to have them removed, have the capsule removed, and possibly new pocket placement with replacement implants that are mod plus. Not what I want to do but I fear that the volume I need in HP won't be small enough to make a difference in the discomfort I am feeling. So I would basically be back to square one when I had my first set placed in and wasn't happy w how flat they looked, however I'd rather have those boobs than painful boobs or none at all!!! And I also feel that the only way to fix any problems I may be having w my pocket is to remove the capsule and "start fresh" but the thought of that scares me also!! I have an apt w my dr Friday to see what he suggests. But I am not hopeful that he will offer any help. I also booked a 2nd consult w the dr I saw back in April to get his thoughts on all of this incase my surgeon doesn't help.
Ugh!!! End of rant...
My left boob STILL HURTS! I am a year and 2 months out from my initial surgery(saline w armpit incision 500 & 525 cc) i am coming up on 8 months post op from my implant exchange (breast fold Incision, switched to Silicone 700cc uhp,why uhp? When I thought I was getting HP) the strange pain in my armpit is gone for the most part, however I still feel something weird under my skin "rubbing" against the inside of my tissues. This pain has come and gone for some time now, at this point I cannot wear a bra of ANY kind! While massaging my breasts I was slightly bent forward and w my hand under my left breast pressing inward and upward I felt the strangest thing, like a tugging from my crease to my nipple (inside under the skin) as if it has a thread connected that's pulling my nipple from the inside!
I keep trying to research this and some say it could be early signs of CC. And other say pain/discomfort is not the first sign! Well what the hell?! Then I found something that indicated mondors cord, but that it isn't "common" to have it where I do and for where I'm at post op wise, it usually runs from the crease down towards the stomach and subsides. I have tried a warm compress, consistent ibuprofen to reduce swelling and have been taking 1,000 UI of vitamin e daily since my revision surgery in December. At times it almost feels like the implant is too big for the pocket. They look pretty much the same and both feel the same. So I am completely stumped as to what is going on here! But I want an answer!
I have had so much anxiety, worry and fear over these "stupid" boobs that at times I wish I never did any of it. The thought of downsizing them has crossed my mind several times lately but Of course that comes with additional surgery, such as possibly a lift and I'm pretty sure pocket recision. I haven't talked to the dr yet but the only logic thing to do in my mind is to have them removed, have the capsule removed, and possibly new pocket placement with replacement implants that are mod plus. Not what I want to do but I fear that the volume I need in HP won't be small enough to make a difference in the discomfort I am feeling. So I would basically be back to square one when I had my first set placed in and wasn't happy w how flat they looked, however I'd rather have those boobs than painful boobs or none at all!!! And I also feel that the only way to fix any problems I may be having w my pocket is to remove the capsule and "start fresh" but the thought of that scares me also!! I have an apt w my dr Friday to see what he suggests. But I am not hopeful that he will offer any help. I also booked a 2nd consult w the dr I saw back in April to get his thoughts on all of this incase my surgeon doesn't help.
Ugh!!! End of rant...
Replies (5)
T
August 17, 2016
I would love to see pics of all your progress but nothing shows! Did you take them down?

B
August 17, 2016
I literally have NO pics. I am waiting for a copy of my pics , before and after from my first surgeon. I can post those :)
T
M
August 17, 2016
Hey, I'm sorry you're going through pain. My surgery has ended in gloom too. I am downsizing. UHP looks more than ugly. My ps placed them a bit lower so I avoid shelf look but it is ugly anyway. I know it won;t cheer you up but when you're low, remember, you aren't alone.

B
August 17, 2016
I know I was happy w the added projection and do like them, but they are a bit big!! HP would have been MUCH better... Grrrrrr! Sorry to hear things aren't going well for you either
F
August 17, 2016
Is uhp not a good idea? Reason I ask is bc I want to go bigger but to do so I will need uhp's. I'm scared that they will look bad on me because I have no natural breast tissue (or very little anyways).
M
August 18, 2016
I regret picking uhp. In fact, i have decided to not trust outcome pictures in general. I have some pictures where my uhp 525 cc look ok, and some where they are revolting, which proves it is often a matter if what reviewers select to publish.
I think uhp looks ugly on me so does my best friend. It is up to you though what choice you' ll make. I pray my surgeon refers me to a professional if he decides he isn't skillful enough to downsize successfully. I'll find out tomorrow what his stand is. Id rather he was capable of performing downsizing himself though.
I think uhp looks ugly on me so does my best friend. It is up to you though what choice you' ll make. I pray my surgeon refers me to a professional if he decides he isn't skillful enough to downsize successfully. I'll find out tomorrow what his stand is. Id rather he was capable of performing downsizing himself though.

B
August 18, 2016
Please do update once you hear what he says because I'm curious as to what will need to be done to downsize mine also!

B
August 18, 2016
I didn't have really any breast tissue either! In my very honest opinion I don't think you should upgrade, I wish my dr wild have never put uhp in!
M
August 18, 2016
I will. You can count on me.
I've had my entire review taken down as it was too lenghty. I'm going to write a new one- exhaustive and conclusive , with important insights yet succinct .
I've had my entire review taken down as it was too lenghty. I'm going to write a new one- exhaustive and conclusive , with important insights yet succinct .

F
August 17, 2016
Wow!!!!! That's really rough!! I'm so sorry to hear what a tough time you're having. I hope you get some good news Friday from tour PS. .... here's a thought.... have you considered seeing a massage therapist and chiropractor to address the pain you're having? Perhaps your spine and various support muscles (delta, traps,rhomboid, lats and even abs...to mention a few.... are misaligning things and putting extra pressure on tendons,ligaments and/or nerves? Make sure you find a reputable deep tissue masseuse and chiropractor...but I know I've had great success in the past with chronic pain. I wish you the best xoxo. Keep us posted! Xo

B
August 17, 2016
That is a good thought, and I'm not against it one bit! However I just don't know where something like that exists around here :-/ I would want to make sure that they specialize in patients who have had augmentation. I have actually read about some sort of massage/ultrasound that some patients have done that are experiencing pain and capsular contracture to help reverse it, but I don't think we have anything like that! It just seems so weird that something is pulling inside, or feels like it is, and it definitely feels like some sort of a nerve/ligament or something of that nature, I don't know what else it could be, and bras make it worse! Today I actually haven't had much discomfort, but her again I haven't worn a bra for almost 2 weeks now! So I guarantee if I put one back on I will be in pain in no time! I feel these implants are just too dang big! :-/

5
August 22, 2016
I am sorry to hear of your sadness with the results and the weird pain. I have not been on for a while. Let us know how things go.

B
August 22, 2016
Hey lady! I actually haven't been on for a really long time either, I was on researching various things trying to find an answer on my own because I can't seem to get an answer from my surgeon. He seemed irritated or annoyed by me kind of. I do tend to read into things or analyze things a bit more than a lot of people. But he just didn't seem too interested in helping me figure out what is going on. He pretty much said he didn't know what to tell me other than trying to downsize, but doesn't think anything else is wrong and I beg to differ! I think I have something wrong, maybe early CC based on the tightness and weird feeling inside, or possibly something wrong with the way the muscle was dissected. He said that my first surgeon slightly over dissected my left side which is the problem side, and almost put me at risk for "UNIBOOB". I've been reading up on it and I wonder if the muscle needs to be repaired or released in other areas. I have a little bit of flex deformity on that side too. The muscle pulling feeling is on the outer edge of my breast near my armpit and sort of goes across the top part of my breast. At times I do feel an odd feeling in the center of my chest/cleavage area. But that odd feeling inside when I press up on my boob(where it feels like a string pulling from my nipple down to the crease) I have no clue what that could be, only thing I've read is start of CC , or possible mondors cord, but unlikely mondors cord. I do think the implants are a little larger than I would like (can't play them down :-( ) but I truly don't see how ONLY downsizing will fix it when my right side doesn't hurt ?! And my surgeon said that he will do nothing to the pocket or existing tissue if I downsize which is very concerning to me because I think the pocket will be too large for a smaller implant and what about my stretched skin? I'd think I *might* need a lift of some sort whether that be just lifting the nipple to a better place or a full lift, I'm sure the skin will shrink back down, but not all the way! So I'm truly torn on what to do! I don't want a 4th surgery, it's bad enough that I'm facing a 3rd when to start out with I was only planning on ONE! I'm just feeling so frustrated and confused on what the RIGHT Thing to do is! Since it doesn't seem like my surgeon is helping me in that aspect. I sort of feel like I need to find a surgeon that specializes in reconstruction, which was why I was happy to hear from you....what do you think? Given everything that's going on do you think I should head that route too? Ugh! This sucks, my surgeon will downsize me for pretty much free(only cost of new implants) but I'm not sure that's the best idea. If I find a new dr I will have to pay for everything as if I'm a new patient and with any lift or anything that's so much more $$! Gosh I could just cry thinking of all this..it stresses me out! And over something soooo silly!

A
August 23, 2016
Hello sorry to hear of all your discomfort. Just a suggestion, but have you thought of looking into a PS outside of where you live? Like a city that does a lot of breast augmentations. ( Los Angeles or Las Vegas ) only suggesting because I also live in a pretty conservative area and went to Vegas for my surgery. My PS was amazing and is rated a top doc. Being in a city with a lot of emphasis on breasts might find you the best surgeon with the best results.

B
August 23, 2016
the thought has definitely crossed my mind on several occasions. I just don't know that id be able to afford additional costs for flight and hotel, especially for my husband too and not to mention the additional time off I may need for it, and I've also worried about future follow ups and not being close to my dr, idk if I'd be able to handle not having them close, yet on the other hand my surgeon is close and he's useless! Lol!!! I know I all sounds so silly, but I think it may be coming down to that as my only option to ensure I'm in good hands! But how do you chose a good surgeon you trust and have good rapport with before actually netting them?

A
August 30, 2016
Honestly I just kept searching online and my Dr just kept coming up. I knew if I was going to be in Vegas I wanted to have a surgeon in Summerlin or Henderson. As both areas are sorta high end. Sounds crazy saying that out loud but I figured the best surgeons would be in the best areas of Vegas. I met my Dr the first time 2 years before my actual surgery and he was so patient and soft spoken. He literally spent over a hour with me and never made me feel uncomfortable. I think you just know when you have a good rapport with someone. Even my first follow up appointment he must of stayed in the room talking to my husband and I for over a hour. I saw a few other Dr's before him and truth be told I felt like they were trying to sell me a car with boobs. I know traveling is not a easy decision and yes follow up appointments would also require travel, but I honestly can say that going outside of where I live was the best decision for me.

B
August 30, 2016
I don't know that I can do that, travel that far lol! But I definitely am still looking! I found a dr sort of close by, hour drive and have a consult in a couple weeks. They have already been more than helpful, are requesting my charts from my surgeons and asked several questions about things I have read about online so I am hopeful to get some answers! I'm trying to do my research which always ends up on me finding al the horror stories and I try not to get sucked in, but I do and it sends me into panick mode! :-/

A
September 3, 2016
Good I'm happy for you! Quit reading the horror stories I think you've been through enough ;)

( rolling my eyes!) But its very obvious the left has gone towards the armpit and he acknowledged it too...so go figure! I feel like I have no shame anymore! Posting my boob pictures on line, going from doctor to doctor and allowing them to see my not so private anymore boobs over and over again!! After this ordeal I will be ready to check out the topless beach for sure! Well only if the right surgeon can fix them and put them in the right place!! :D
No kidding right!! I have been feeling the same way, I've shown so many people my boobs that it's starting to become a normal habit LOL... Geesh