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So Far So Good - Langhorne, PA

UPDATED FROM chariirose
7 months post

Braces are Off

chariirose
WORTH IT$25,000
Braces came off January 16th, retainers went on January 28th. Today is February 10th. Teeth begin to move the second the braces come off, so I must wear the retainer as close to 24/7 as possible. My chin is still numb, which is really annoying, but I'm resigned to whether the feeling comes back or not. The first few days in retainers were uncomfortable but now I'm more used to them.

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February 10, 2015
Your smile looks fantastic! It's been a long journey. Do you still feel it was worth it?
February 10, 2015
The long journey of braces, surgery and recovery was absolutely worth it. It cured my sleep apnea, and will hopefully keep me from losing my teeth due to ramifications of misalignment. My teeth were already well worn from grinding. The misalignment of jaw and teeth was exacerbating the problem of my teeth wearing away or becoming super fragile. When my orthodontist first mentioned the possibility of jaw surgery even before I got braces, I told myself NO WAY am I getting surgery. But I softened to the idea when he told later on that it would be the best option, because no way did I want to lose my teeth. Also, without the surgery, I would have had to get two teeth pulled. After braces, my teeth would be aligned, but it would have had no effect on the sleep apnea. So I had many more reasons to go through with the surgery, than not to do it.
February 12, 2015
I thought about it about 6 months ago. Then I thought it was just too much at my age. How did you make such a huge decision?
February 13, 2015
It wasn't such a hard decision. #1 I didn't want to lose my teeth due to misalignment. The orthodontist said I would lose teeth for sure, and #2 It was the only way to correct the sleep apnea and not have to use a c-pap machine. And the health insurance covered the surgery because of the sleep apnea. I still had to pay for the braces, some out of pocket expense to the oral surgeon, and I still have to get three new crowns, because the crowns I have now don't fit right anymore.
February 13, 2015
Hi Fluffyboy, it is a big decision, but when the alternative is having to use CPAP for the rest of your life (as in my case) or using CPAP and losing teeth as in Charlirose's case, it's no longer a difficult decision. I'm one year younger than Charirose and having my surgery in November 2014 was the best decision I ever made. I feel better and even look better/ much younger. It's been so helpful following Charlirose's journey. Thank you Charlirose.
February 13, 2015
Thank you langpam. btw, the name is chariirose, not charlirose :) Just a name I made up.
February 10, 2015
Your teeth look fantastic. Is that a picture of you with your retainers in? How long do you have to wear the retainers ( weeks or months)?
February 13, 2015
I have to wear the retainer for about a year 24/7 except for eating and brushing my teeth. After that, I'll probably be wearing the retainer while I sleep for the rest of my life.
February 13, 2015
Thank you. My orthodontist told me yesterday that I would have to wear a retainer too. I'm guessing that it's the norm. All worth it though.
February 13, 2015
Your teeth will definitely shift, and fast, if you don't wear it. Between the time my braces came off, at which time the orthodontist took the mold impressions for the retainer, and the time the retainer was delivered (about 12 days), the retainer felt tight in the beginning because my teeth had already shifted a bit. This is normal.
February 13, 2015
Thank you, it's helpful to have advance warning. Sorry about the mistake with your name. You know how it is with eyes at a certain age!!
February 13, 2015
I am very happy for you. You are an inspiration to others out there who may be considering the surgery. I appreciated your honesty. It sounds like it was no walk in the park, but worth it to you in the end. I don't have the sleep apnea. I have been struggling with my bite and my jaw alignment my whole life. It is uncomfortable at night when my jaw is at rest. No position seems right because it has never aligned properly. My profile is something I have always been self conscious about. Particularly when I was younger. But age does little to improve it! I feel that it is now or never.
February 13, 2015
Thank you so much. If you are so uncomfortable resting in bed, and if the surgery would be a cure for that, I encourage you to go through with it. It must be very stressful not to feel comfortable even lying down in bed. Don't be afraid. The time will pass quickly. You know how fast time goes by at our age :)
June 1, 2015
how are you doing now?
June 2, 2015
Everything good except chin still numb :(. Now I need new crowns because the old ones don't fit with my newly aligned teeth. Lots more $$$. Still wearing retainers. Thank you for asking
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April 28, 2016
Even though you still have chin numbness...do you still have that "wooden" face feeling you spoke of? And does it affect the moving of your mouth any? I am 5 weeks post-op and getting impatient with this feeling! Thanks for any info ;)

Amy
UPDATED FROM chariirose
5 months post

Rubber bands

chariirose
Just adding a photo of myself with my new rubber bands, which look like fangs. They are so annoying, especially with my nerves giving me wrong information. The corners of my mouth and parts of my chin always feel very wet, because the bands touch my lips, and of course the bands are wet, being in my mouth! I will be happy when I don't have to wear them anymore. I'm supposed to wear them 24/7 except for cleaning my teeth, but I find I need to remove them when I eat sometimes.

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December 4, 2014

You know you've been stalking RealSelf too much when you find the rubber bands cute. :-/

I hope this time goes quick for you, Chariirose!  But hopefully you'll also get used to them quickly so they stop being so annoying.  I've read a few people saying they got used to them, but most people just complain about them.  Good luck!  And thanks for the picture :D.

December 4, 2014
I certainly agree with you about how annoying the rubber bands are. Mine were inserted during the surgery, though I haven't been told to wear them 24/7 but rather they need to be removed, so that I can eat. The molar bands are so difficult to insert, but you get used to the anterior ones. I really hope that my surgeon says I don't need them any more when I see him on 11th Dec, though I know I'll have to keep the posterior bands in. Ugh. I think they contributed to my blusters
December 4, 2014
Sorry, I meant to say blisters, but pressed the wrong buttons. I'm finding it so helpful hearing your news and even though the order of things is different from my experience, I can certainly feel your annoyance about the elastic bands and empathise with you on your journey. How long do you have to wear the bands?
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February 10, 2015
I am so thrilled to find another "over the hill" orthognathic surgery patient! Most of the stories I have been reading are stories of patients much younger than me. I am 57 y.o. female 9 days post op. I had upper and lower and palate expansion. I am so crazy numb and tingly (paresthesia) on most of the left side of my face and across both lips and chin. Thank you for your courage to post your story. I have found my experience to be very similar to yours thus far. I will post my experience on here later! Blessings!
February 10, 2015
Great to hear from you. Now I am almost seven months post op. My braces are off, wearing a retainer, top and bottom. My chin is still numb. I'm resigned to whatever happens. Either the feeling will come back or it won't. Otherwise everything is great. I'll be making an appointment soon with my regular dentist to redo some crowns which no longer match my straightened teeth.
February 10, 2015
You must be so happy to be out of your braces. When did they get removed? I had been wondering how you were getting on. What did your surgeon say about the numbness in the chin? I have the same problem but I'm some way behind you in the recovery ( op in November). It has been so helpful reading about your experiences. Thank you
February 10, 2015
They came off January 16th. I haven't been to the surgeon in awhile. I think he would say it's more likely after six months that the feeling won't come back :( but I'm okay with it because there's not much I can do about it :) I've spoken to many people who say that nerves can take well over a year to regenerate. Time will tell.
UPDATED FROM chariirose
4 months post

Four Months 10 days

chariirose
I'm pretty sure the swelling is gone, or 90% of it. My chin and lower lip are still numb and I'm having TMJ issues, which isn't anything new, except that it's worse than before the surgery. I understand that will all the changes in my bite and alignment that the TMJ might get better or worse, and there's nothing to be done about it until my braces are off, so we'll see... My chin is still highly super sensitive to touch. Also when my lips come together I can feel the sensations in my lower lip. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving and it's snowing here! I am grateful that my sleep apnea is gone :)

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November 26, 2014

I'm sorry to hear about your TMJ issues.  You mentioned there was nothing to do until the braces were off.  What would they do after the braces come off?  I had TMJ issues before my orthodontic treatment, it went away for a while, then it came back again after I was done.

November 26, 2014
The orthodontist will make me some kind of appliance to sleep in that will prevent me from grinding my teeth, which makes TMJ worse, not the regular night guard. Other than that I'm not sure. Right now I'm taking anti inflammatories but it doesn't seem to be helping. Maybe it would be worse without them. I notice that when I practice piano, my jaw gets tight, so I have to consciously relax my jaw.
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November 27, 2014

I clench in my retainer but it's supposed to protect me from worsening any damage there.  No clue.  I hope it works for you!  Do you know what kind of retainer you'll be getting?

November 27, 2014
No I don't know what it's called, but I'll try to remember (!) to ask my orthodontist when I see him.
November 27, 2014
Yes, I'm sure it's important for you to relax your jaw. How long will your orthodontic treatment last? Last night was a milestone for me...I slept lying down, on three pillows, as you did. Slept much better. I feel all your comments are so helpful, given that I am only one year younger. I couldn't imagine teaching right now (I used to teach German and French) and wonder whether I'll ever talk properly again!!!
November 27, 2014
I'm only two weeks post op, not aware of getting a retainer yet.
November 27, 2014
The orthodontist told me the braces would be for about 6 months after surgery, but I didn't start back to treatment until 8 weeks, so I think about 4 more months. I am a piano teacher, so I don't have to talk all that much because I spend a lot of time listening, as well as talking. I waited 3 weeks to start working, but it was during the summer when my schedule is lighter anyway. I still feel funny when I talk sometimes, but other people probably don't notice. I tried teaching myself French for a few years, but don't have the time. I would have loved to be able to speak different languages. Americans are missing out on that.
December 2, 2014
I'm coming up to the three week point (tomorrow). I couldn't imagine starting back to teaching, with my jaws banded (anteriors and molars) . Mind you, I taught adolescent boys, aged 11-18, they would have had great fun with my banded jaws!! I am starting to find speaking a lot easier, though. Did you have your jaws banded?
December 2, 2014
Adolescent boys, that would be a challenge, and you're right about the banded jaws. Up until just yesterday, I never had any kind of bands. Yesterday my orthodontist put rubber bands on which I have to wear 24/7 except for cleaning my teeth. I took them off at lunch today, because I was eating out and wanted to enjoy my lunch. It must be very difficult if you're banded in the very beginning, being as you have no strength to talk as it is, let alone with bands.
December 3, 2014
I'm guessing that I was banded from the beginning because I opted for the Surgery First approach and I think the bands ensure that the jaws don't move back. I presume your pre surgery orthodontic treatment had already started the forward movement? Your comment has reassured me, and now I understand why talking was so difficult! Mind you, being a naturally chatty person, as most linguists are, it didn't stop me! When you say you have to wear the elastics 24/7, how do you manage? I have to remove the four sets of elastics and aligners in order to eat. My elastics connect upper molars with lower ones and upper anteriors with lower one ( Framkenstein style).
December 4, 2014
The way my orthodontist explained it to me, before the surgery, the top teeth were aligned with my top jaw, the bottom teeth were aligned with the bottom jaw, and not until the surgery was the top jaw aligned with the bottom jaw. As for elastics 24/7, sometimes I take them out to eat and put them in again afterwards. They are extremely annoying because they are right in the front and constantly touching my lips, and because my nerves are still messed up, my lips always feel wet in the corners, much worse than before. I'm constantly using a tissue to blot the corners of my mouth. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I only have 2 rubber bands. Looks like fangs.
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June 4, 2015
If your chin is super sensitive that means the feeling will return. You are my hero getting this done at age 60. I am 40 and I am terrified but I have sleep apnea like you and I am miserable.