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Microneedling for IPL Damage
UPDATED FROM Peyton2012
9 months post
Dermastamping and Spot Microneedling for IPL Damage
Peyton2012November 6, 2016
So, I've gone as far as I can with my indentations and the microtears with my dermarollers. The needles are just too widely spaced for small areas. Therefore, I've gone and done two things: A) bought a 1.5mm dermastamp for the indentations off eBay; and B) extracted a 1.5mm needle from my 1.5mm dermaroller with my eyebrow tweezers to use on the microtears. (I have already spot-microneedled the microtears with the extracted 1.5mm needle once, and will continue to do so, even though it's tricky not to drop and lose such a tiny object on the floor.)
I will continue to report on any significant developments.
Thank you for reading my review!
I will continue to report on any significant developments.
Thank you for reading my review!
Replies (5)
December 29, 2016
Yes , that's a big problem for me . You start to think they are all the same , making it up as they go along
December 30, 2016
I'm a laser tech used to perform IPL a lot monthly treatments on people,I've never seen nor had anyone with this experience unless you were burned and had scabs which could cause skin indentation when scabs or blisters healed, IPL is a scattered light device definitely not able to break down tissue and radio frequency is known to firm and stimulate collagen I perform a device with both heat and rf in the winter months for resurfacing and rejuvenation, as for derma rolling you need to go get dermapen treatment from a clinic performed on setting 2.5mm stamping method most likely 6-8 sessions , yes I've seen the tight firm waxy look on some IPL addicts , you should use nightly retinol with cream and vitamin c daily, get some juvederm in cheeks to help the sagging and wrinkling it will add volume , also do tca peels deep ones not at home ,remember when working on skin it can look worse before it gets better results from peels come later skin rebuilds collagen after stimulation day 90
December 30, 2016
Laser tech or not , iplandlaserdamagesupport website , go check this out and then come to us , so all these people are liars ?
December 31, 2016
Not saying liars but definitely this does not happen from one treatment I'm sorry it's impractical ,I've cranked up on a very high setting on myself many times on one of the best IPL machines palomar and nothing but good came from it temporarily reduce redness firmed up but never got worsened ,like I said unless you are extremely burned which would mean blisters would a bad outcome happen,sometimes I've experienced people who look in the mirror too much and imagine things are worse it's only them starring too much wanting an amazing outcome from minimal treatment,I do know too much laser would cause free radical inflammation which can accelerate aging but that would have to be constant exposure ,in 1 to 2 years I've seen people who have had no treatment done with any procedure and extremely aged so counting that long after ones skin can loose laxity. Anyhow follow the treatment plan I sent you and you will see improvement also I do not recommend those rollers at home the needles are way to large and will make anyone's skin increase orange peel texture and stretch pores to look like scarring ,I treat 15 people a day 5 days a week so that is my expert advice I see and make miracles happen on skin with the same concerns as yours,hope everything works out for you ,the only laser I could see thinning skin temporarily is co2 and framed causing tiny holes which I've had people complain of , but IPL is not strong enough not a directional laser and to me even on high settings not good enough to cause much change on skin ,go stronger for results burn the surface with 40%tca
December 31, 2016
You clearly have not read my testimony or the testimonies of other IPL and laser/RF victims on this site.
Also, your two December 30 comments can be described as "word salad." They are incoherent and make me wonder if you are drunk and/or on drugs.
Also, your two December 30 comments can be described as "word salad." They are incoherent and make me wonder if you are drunk and/or on drugs.
December 31, 2016
Agreed , you might as well be talking to the wall as talking to domoiii .
What would you expect from someone who works in the industry ,just fighting back at us , trying to make us look like we are making it up , typical .
Karma is a [RS bleep] Domoiii , so take care now
What would you expect from someone who works in the industry ,just fighting back at us , trying to make us look like we are making it up , typical .
Karma is a [RS bleep] Domoiii , so take care now
January 1, 2017
Seek a psychiatrist u need it because looking in the mirror at bad skin can definitely cause mental breakdown like you desribe ,ur comment popped up in my feed and only giving advice to help you ,due to you having no luck and honestly you are causing more damage with your dermaroller at home remedy needles are too large you will not see damage now but next year ,good luck,as for karma I have great karma improving people's skin dramatically to where they refer others and never knew they could look so good, I read the other reviews and alot of people you are referring to had too many treatments in a short time frame so yes I'm sure damage was done with improper treatment time frame skin had no time to heal ,so do better research ,use my advice to fix your skin start listening to the walls speaking you will heal your mental status or stop looking in the mirror
January 2, 2017
"Start listening to the walls speaking"? You're the one who needs a psychiatrist.
January 27, 2017
domoiii is wrong I have seen fully qualified dermatologist and he said he has seen many victims ipl/bbl and claims that many more would exist but don't seek help
March 30, 2017
Ok, so I've had vbeam done and had damage after the first treatment but stupidly went back for a second treatment, same doctor, 4 months later. Anyhow I too was damafed, scarring on both cheeks, indents on both cheeks as well close to my tear through area and I know it was caused by the laser, absolutely was. But, I'm willing to take your advice on how to reverse this damage, though I'm already doing something I'm loving at the moment. You seem like you know skin and how it works, "looking worse before looking better" is a fact that I totally agree on. Please email me with instructions to what you suggest would be the best approach to fill in these scarred areas. I do know it can take many years to see drastic improvement. But it's either I sit back and so nothing and see how things look in a few years or go ahead and do something and know that my skin will look better than it would have:) But I have to disagree, lasers DO cause damage, blisters, scabs or not...I didn't habe any but continuous inflammation caused by the laser and my own bodies healing ability, which wasn't top notch.
January 12, 2018
You're a pathological liar and a [RS bleep] . I had a single bbl/ipl treatment by an actual dr, a dermatologist , here in Manhattan and everything these people say and show in photos is true, bevaude it's on my face too! One thing is consistent across all
Our posts , the same bizarre texture , I can swap their photos for mine , we are all different ages, different skin types etc , but we all get the exact marks and wrinkles . I had no outward burn but my face burns all the time and itches and looks like a monster . I did not hsve a single wrinkle on my face , not one , and now I have a million like the skin collapsed , fine lines like etching , giant pores when even the dr's said I had tight pores before , and hypopigmentation thsts so bad I will never get my skin color back . I have large brown patches that I've never seen but on leather shoes , it's like a brown piece of mask . I no longer leave home . We all have the same story and you are really a disturbed individual to deny it . I hope anyone reading these posts cancels their ipl, I promise it will age you 15 years , you won't recognize your face , the damage is severe .
Our posts , the same bizarre texture , I can swap their photos for mine , we are all different ages, different skin types etc , but we all get the exact marks and wrinkles . I had no outward burn but my face burns all the time and itches and looks like a monster . I did not hsve a single wrinkle on my face , not one , and now I have a million like the skin collapsed , fine lines like etching , giant pores when even the dr's said I had tight pores before , and hypopigmentation thsts so bad I will never get my skin color back . I have large brown patches that I've never seen but on leather shoes , it's like a brown piece of mask . I no longer leave home . We all have the same story and you are really a disturbed individual to deny it . I hope anyone reading these posts cancels their ipl, I promise it will age you 15 years , you won't recognize your face , the damage is severe .
January 23, 2017
Peyton,
I have very similar damage as you, from a "professional " chemical peel. From 3 years ago. I have been severely depressed & can barely function let alone hold onto my marriage. Any further updates to give us hope is always appreciated. I have the scars & orange peel as well.
I have very similar damage as you, from a "professional " chemical peel. From 3 years ago. I have been severely depressed & can barely function let alone hold onto my marriage. Any further updates to give us hope is always appreciated. I have the scars & orange peel as well.
January 23, 2017
Gosh, I totally understand what it's like to be severely depressed about your skin, but I can't imagine what the stress might be like on a marriage or relationship, although a lot of people DM me and tell me how badly they have been impacted. I am so sorry that this happened to you. I also thought I was getting a "professional" procedure -- albeit at a much reduced rate via Groupon, and I had no idea the treatment could go so wrong!!
March 20, 2017
How are you now?
March 25, 2017
I am sorry to report that the fine, crepey wrinkles are not responding to microneedling. These wrinkles are really weird. It's like the IPL zapped all the elastin out of the upper layers of my epidermis. I'm going to try a peel.
UPDATED FROM Peyton2012
8 months post
Spot Needling for Microtears
Peyton2012October 7, 2016
*Sigh* When one microtear closes, another one opens. The super-harsh light of my bathroom mirror (a.k.a. "the Mirror of Dorian Gray") has revealed a new, very small tear about half an inch north of the big one which still hasn't healed -- and that seems to be expanding! The new one is very shallow and is the size and diameter of a dot you could make with the tip of your pen.
IPL really is the gift that keeps on giving!
GAME PLAN: Since the rollers aren't equipped with enough needles to hit these two tiny targets in a reliable fashion, I'll start monthly spot-needling with tiny individual needles sunk to about 1mm in the two microtears (there was a third one that healed).
I will report on all microtear events in each update on this review. Thanks for reading!!!
IPL really is the gift that keeps on giving!
GAME PLAN: Since the rollers aren't equipped with enough needles to hit these two tiny targets in a reliable fashion, I'll start monthly spot-needling with tiny individual needles sunk to about 1mm in the two microtears (there was a third one that healed).
I will report on all microtear events in each update on this review. Thanks for reading!!!
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October 19, 2016
I actually have similar damage from retin a use.
Your temples look exactly like mine now.
I am actually on this site for another reason but I stupidly used a retinoid 3 weeks before my first few appontments to fix the other issue. It's like a cruel joke.
Now I have to address the skin, which was not an issue before, and push the other major problem under the rug for awhile..and who knows how long!!
I thought I was finally on my way to start living again and now a little cream destroys my previously excellent skin seemingly overnight.
I don't know why people who have been damaged by laser and retin a have similar symptoms..I just know that it is a NIGHTMARE. And I feel terribly for anyone going through this.
My normal skin was actually one of the reasons I got by despite my other issue..and now that's gone.
I'm only 23..I used to get told I looked 16, called young lady, and on the small occasion I did get out of the house, people would go out of their way to comment on my how beautiful my skin was...now the derm is asking if i am my mothers sister (and not as a joke) and no one can believe my skin was like porcelain before this until I show them pics..which luckily I have.
Even in my profile pic..that forehead is nOw GONE..it is now a mess of pinpricks, mesh like plastic wrap-looking, wrinkly, blotchy abomination.
Makes me sick.
Your temples look exactly like mine now.
I am actually on this site for another reason but I stupidly used a retinoid 3 weeks before my first few appontments to fix the other issue. It's like a cruel joke.
Now I have to address the skin, which was not an issue before, and push the other major problem under the rug for awhile..and who knows how long!!
I thought I was finally on my way to start living again and now a little cream destroys my previously excellent skin seemingly overnight.
I don't know why people who have been damaged by laser and retin a have similar symptoms..I just know that it is a NIGHTMARE. And I feel terribly for anyone going through this.
My normal skin was actually one of the reasons I got by despite my other issue..and now that's gone.
I'm only 23..I used to get told I looked 16, called young lady, and on the small occasion I did get out of the house, people would go out of their way to comment on my how beautiful my skin was...now the derm is asking if i am my mothers sister (and not as a joke) and no one can believe my skin was like porcelain before this until I show them pics..which luckily I have.
Even in my profile pic..that forehead is nOw GONE..it is now a mess of pinpricks, mesh like plastic wrap-looking, wrinkly, blotchy abomination.
Makes me sick.
October 20, 2016
Very basically, I believe your skin (and the skins of other victims of you-fill-in-the-blank) reacted to something it didn't like by building itself a full-face or part-face layer of scar collagen to defend against future attacks. These layers vary in texture and thickness, depending upon the person and the amount of damage. Scar collagen is an inferior type of collagen, it often has a waxy or shiny veneer, and it makes pores look much bigger and more numerous. I will soon try a mild peel (Nip + Fab's 5% glycolic) on my face since peels can help with the gradual removal of this layer.
My skin was perfect and porcelain, too (when it wan't breaking out on cystic acne, that is) and I got loads of compliments and people could not believe how old I was. So I am totally sympathetic to your current plight.
Retin-A is tricky. Some doctors will not rx it, says it's toxic. It is working beautifully on my upper lip and crappily on the backs of my hands, so now I'm using Nip + Fab's 5% glycolic peel and am tolerating it well so far on my hands after first testing it on my neck.
My skin was perfect and porcelain, too (when it wan't breaking out on cystic acne, that is) and I got loads of compliments and people could not believe how old I was. So I am totally sympathetic to your current plight.
Retin-A is tricky. Some doctors will not rx it, says it's toxic. It is working beautifully on my upper lip and crappily on the backs of my hands, so now I'm using Nip + Fab's 5% glycolic peel and am tolerating it well so far on my hands after first testing it on my neck.
October 19, 2016
Also, you say your oil glands are not working..do you touch your face and no oil comes off?
October 20, 2016
I used to have oily skin, which is one thing that protects against wrinkling. But IPL can knock out your oil glands on a temporary or permanent basis. Damage to oil glands is one thing that contributes to the dry, wrinkly skin that victims of IPL and lasers suffer. Now, my sweat glands are working fine, they're going like faucets this summer, and I *think* the oil glands are coming back online, too, since my skin is looking and feeling better since I started needling. The long, thin cheek wrinkles seem to have softened, for example.
October 20, 2016
Sorry to hear this. When will this madness ever end? Keep us updated on your game plan. Good luck:)
October 20, 2016
Thanks hurketer and everybody else who has posted nice and supportive comments.
UPDATED FROM Peyton2012
7 months post
Mini Update on Improvements Occasioned by Needling
Peyton2012September 28, 2016
In case you missed it, I'd like to re-report another bit of good news. As you know, the right side of my face took the brunt of the IPL (the wrinkling is worse on the right side, the right side is where the indentations are, and soon after the treatment the lymph node right under the right side of my jaw swelled up for a week for no reason my doctor could figure out). But I also developed a grainy, gritty texture on the right side of my neck. If you look at pic #33 in cupcake0526's review of her botched Yag laser procedure, what you see on her face and neck is how the skin of my neck felt. But today, thanks to 3-4 monthly sessions with my .50mm dermaroller and some applications of .025% prescription tretinoin, that skin is again as smooth as the skin on the left side of my neck.
Replies (2)
September 29, 2016
This is fantastic news! I have the gritty grainy texture all over my face. This gives me small hope
September 30, 2016
You're welcome! Two things, though:
I also used a retinoid, but it was low-concentration and I had already tested the stuff on my upper lip where those annoying little wrinkles are starting (it's working well there) before putting it on my neck. You don't have to use a retinoid, they are scary and can cause the exact same damage that IPL and laser victims are seeing on their faces.
Also, please note that my neck did not *look like Cupcake's -- it only *felt like it -- so it may take significantly more than 3-4 sessions to resolve your gritty/grainy texture.
I also used a retinoid, but it was low-concentration and I had already tested the stuff on my upper lip where those annoying little wrinkles are starting (it's working well there) before putting it on my neck. You don't have to use a retinoid, they are scary and can cause the exact same damage that IPL and laser victims are seeing on their faces.
Also, please note that my neck did not *look like Cupcake's -- it only *felt like it -- so it may take significantly more than 3-4 sessions to resolve your gritty/grainy texture.
November 4, 2016
thank you so much for sharing:) truly...
I am 13 months post fraxel laser damage. My life has never been the same. I still have the shine you are referring to, the micro holes that look like pores on my forehead and cheeks, the orange peel/rougher texture. Gosh, my skin was flawless before but an impulsive groupon coupon led me to this point. My skin has slowly improved by vitamins and gentle organic care. But it is not my skin anymore, if that makes sense. It is someone else's skin on my face. No longer a glow. In dim lighting, skin looks fine, in daylight it is a different picture. I, unfortunately, experienced fat loss. By the grace of God, I am happy you did not have to endure that. I lost fat all over my face. I am sagging along the jawline bc of it (there is no structure to hold it); my skin is loose, no longer taut. I am hoping to get fat grafting soon. If I look at pics of me right before the laser, I cry, I mourn bc I see a different face - loss of fat leads to loss of contours, sagging eyes, a face I do not recognize - I look bw 5-10 years older. I I have turned from an easygoing person into an anxious person. I try not to look in mirrors or I panic. When I pass a reflective glass I get anxious. I still don't recognize the person.
This healing process is long term - a marathon not a sprint. I wonder why, after everything else I endured, the universe brought me this. I am still trying to find the lesson. I hope and pray that fat grafting, which I hope to have done by January, will give me some of my sanity back, my identity.
I want you to know that I empathize, I feel your trauma, and I am so happy you did not endure fat loss as well. I do not want anyone to experience this. I tell everyone to steer clear from lasers. If I could help just one person...warmly, dee
I am 13 months post fraxel laser damage. My life has never been the same. I still have the shine you are referring to, the micro holes that look like pores on my forehead and cheeks, the orange peel/rougher texture. Gosh, my skin was flawless before but an impulsive groupon coupon led me to this point. My skin has slowly improved by vitamins and gentle organic care. But it is not my skin anymore, if that makes sense. It is someone else's skin on my face. No longer a glow. In dim lighting, skin looks fine, in daylight it is a different picture. I, unfortunately, experienced fat loss. By the grace of God, I am happy you did not have to endure that. I lost fat all over my face. I am sagging along the jawline bc of it (there is no structure to hold it); my skin is loose, no longer taut. I am hoping to get fat grafting soon. If I look at pics of me right before the laser, I cry, I mourn bc I see a different face - loss of fat leads to loss of contours, sagging eyes, a face I do not recognize - I look bw 5-10 years older. I I have turned from an easygoing person into an anxious person. I try not to look in mirrors or I panic. When I pass a reflective glass I get anxious. I still don't recognize the person.
This healing process is long term - a marathon not a sprint. I wonder why, after everything else I endured, the universe brought me this. I am still trying to find the lesson. I hope and pray that fat grafting, which I hope to have done by January, will give me some of my sanity back, my identity.
I want you to know that I empathize, I feel your trauma, and I am so happy you did not endure fat loss as well. I do not want anyone to experience this. I tell everyone to steer clear from lasers. If I could help just one person...warmly, dee
November 5, 2016
Dear Deeded,
I am so very, very sorry this happened to you. I have received many heartbreaking dm's and posts from young women in their 20s and 30s who received major, face-changing damage from lasers. My heart, soul, and best wishes go out to you.
I have been very lucky and seem not to have suffered fat loss, just 2 small losses in the dermis (indentations) near the corner of my mouth. I am past the one-year benchmark, and I believe I can relax a bit re: any sudden negative developments in the condition of my skin. It also helps to be 40 pounds overweight, which helps to plump my remaining fat cells up, although, being 48 and menopausal, I know if I lost that weight that my face would look much older -- levels of critical fat, collagen, and elastin have crashed due to natural aging processes. I will have to have a facelift soon.
Please consider posting a review of your fraxel experience, it may help prevent another person from getting this horrible "beauty treatment." I also wish you the very best of luck with the fat grafts.
Peyton
I am so very, very sorry this happened to you. I have received many heartbreaking dm's and posts from young women in their 20s and 30s who received major, face-changing damage from lasers. My heart, soul, and best wishes go out to you.
I have been very lucky and seem not to have suffered fat loss, just 2 small losses in the dermis (indentations) near the corner of my mouth. I am past the one-year benchmark, and I believe I can relax a bit re: any sudden negative developments in the condition of my skin. It also helps to be 40 pounds overweight, which helps to plump my remaining fat cells up, although, being 48 and menopausal, I know if I lost that weight that my face would look much older -- levels of critical fat, collagen, and elastin have crashed due to natural aging processes. I will have to have a facelift soon.
Please consider posting a review of your fraxel experience, it may help prevent another person from getting this horrible "beauty treatment." I also wish you the very best of luck with the fat grafts.
Peyton
November 6, 2016
Thank you so much for the support and for your kind words:) I am happy to hear you are along your way. Xo
Same thing happened me with vbeam left me with 2 rectangular indentations . have been 2 different plastic surgeons about fat transfer , Fillers , PRP
I have read nearly everyone's story on here who have suffered the same fate .
Not one person has been able to fix it . Because there is no fix to this machine made problem . These devices shouldn't be anywhere near our faces because we don't have proper solutions to fix the problems that can happen when things go wrong . So you could say that these indentations have been happening for the at least the last 10 years . And in that time , Not one person in the whole world has shown proof that they can be fixed . Not one .
Thoughts ?
How hard could that be ?
Fat Transfer = High Risk (Could make things worse )
PRP = God only knows ( Nothing is without risks )
At least you put up your pictures , and if it works for you . well then there is hope for the rest of us .
I will probably start doing PRP in the next 2 weeks and I will put a picture of one of one my indents , so people can see if it worked or not . there will be no [RS bleep] from me , it either works or it doesn't .
But all the Experts say PRP doesn't create volume , So if that's the case I am probably wasting my time and money doing it in the first place .
But fillers terrify me and I just cant go there not after what I have read on here .
I had filler put in superficially , waste of time because it only creates a lump All the Experts say it needs to injected deeper , so it creates cushion in the layers underneath etc etc .
Because there is no such phrase ; Gold Standard Treatment for fixing Indentations / Depressions of the Skin caused by laser damage .
Any treatment we attempt is all hope it works treatment / hope for the best etc .
We are Guinea pigs ,
Fat is the only thing that will fix it . If they could create fat cells and inject them like they do with fillers . then we would home and hosed . Problem solved .
Its nearly 2017 and Fat transfer is still simply too high risk and you would probably need more than one treatment . Its a joke