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Needling Laser Damage and Acne Scarring
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Hi, I'm a 29 year old male from the Netherlands....
dutchguyJune 24, 2015
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Hi, I'm a 29 year old male from the Netherlands. I’m writing this review almost 1,5 years after a botched Smartxide CO2 laser treatment to improve acne scarring.
The post laser story:
Like so many fellow sufferers, my laser damage wouldn't even be acknowledged by the practitioner because they are looking at the difference in depth of individual scars that were already present before the treatment. They downplay the sudden change in color, texture and new micro-scarring in previously healthy skin, knowing full well that these unwanted side-effects are known to occur in some patients. I was well informed about side-effects and signed a multi-page statement not to seek legal action afterwards. I simply assumed that I wouldn’t be one of the few individuals who would experience these negative side-effects. Boy was I wrong! For months on end I suffered from inflammation, dehydration, milia and additional break-outs while figuring out what kind of topicals my skin would tolerate in order to alleviate these side-effects. For me, emu-oil application during the night would help with the dryness. A gentle cleanser like Cetaphil Restoraderm, followed by a application of a non-comedogenic moisturizer like Cerave (which I actually didn’t use in the beginning) can help with the milia and new acne. I actually used a vitamin C, E and Jojoba-oil cream, called Alhydran, which is known to help with burns but also happens to hydrate the skin without making it look messy. At about 3 months post-laser, I did weekly half-hour long skin-massages using Argan oil to prevent new scars from forming. I’m not saying you should do exactly the same, but it helped with my particular situation.
The needling story so far:
At roughly 2 months post laser, I tried a 0,5mm derma roller at home to see if needling would be a viable option to further treat my scars. I can personally testify that my skin would turn even more red than it already was and would peel like crazy a few days afterwards. That was my first experience with skin needling, the second was a 2 to 3mm Dermapen treatment in April 2014, which caused additional milia and redness that would continue on for more than 2 weeks, which wasn’t at all pleasurable! Although these treatments didn’t cause any long term adverse affects, in hindsight I should have waited for at least 6 months before doing any serious needling because it took that long for the redness to subside from the laser treatment. It sounds really stupid, but I did’t took any clear before/after pictures during that time. Having not picked up on needling because of the negative experiences and minimal perceivable results, I put all my hope in an expensive procedure called Recell. At that time I still had a job, but in the beginning of 2015 they had to let me go because of financial setbacks of the company, rendering my plan for Recell unfeasible. It was at that time that needling came back into the picture and I just heard that a new product called “Derminator" was available at Owndoc. It is some kind of Dermapen, but without causing the so-called micro-tearing which is typical of the Derma Roller and Dermapen. On paper it sounded all great so I ordered the machine and tested at 0,25mm depth, following a freshly prepared vitamin C application. There weren’t any negative adverse effects and I even noticed a nice glow in the days afterwards. Although my general impression was positive, it would take another 5 months until the very first real treatment described in this review.
1st treatment:
The aim for this series of treatment is to find out if derma needling is a viable option against post-laser adverse effects, as well as a way of treating existing acne scarring. I performed the first Derminator treatment at home on the 12th of june 2015, according to a slightly adapted protocol that I used from Owndoc. Note: this isn’t based on any medical advise, so don’t blame me if it doesn’t work for your particular situation if you choose to try it.
1) Prepping the skin using freshly prepared vitamin C solution following a special retinol ointment application every night for at least 5 days beforehand.
2) Steambath just before needling to soften the skin. (I actually skipped this step the first time)
3) Applying optional numbing agent. (I can stand the pain though)
4) Performing the treatment, taking all neccesary hygienic precautions like cleaning the face with alcohol.
5) Rinsing off any residual blood and air-dry the face, not using a towel or tissue.
6) Applying special retinol ointment using sterile latex gloves, applying this daily until the redness decreases substantially.
7) After the first day, also massaging the skin using vitamin C + copper peptide serum and continuing this for another 3 to 5 days.
8) Resume normal moisturizer after the redness has subsided.
Afterwards I made sure to clean the unit and the needle cartridge according to the instructions from the manual. My face was very red and I had a lot of pinpoint bleeding. The needle depth was 1,5mm and the treatment itself took roughly 5 minutes. After three days, the redness was almost completely gone, making it possible to perform the treatment over a long weekend. I’m planning to repeat this every 3 weeks, following a skin update on RS shortly after. I might introduce the suction cup method for the tethered scars next time, but I doubt they will improve any ice-pick scarring though.
The post laser story:
Like so many fellow sufferers, my laser damage wouldn't even be acknowledged by the practitioner because they are looking at the difference in depth of individual scars that were already present before the treatment. They downplay the sudden change in color, texture and new micro-scarring in previously healthy skin, knowing full well that these unwanted side-effects are known to occur in some patients. I was well informed about side-effects and signed a multi-page statement not to seek legal action afterwards. I simply assumed that I wouldn’t be one of the few individuals who would experience these negative side-effects. Boy was I wrong! For months on end I suffered from inflammation, dehydration, milia and additional break-outs while figuring out what kind of topicals my skin would tolerate in order to alleviate these side-effects. For me, emu-oil application during the night would help with the dryness. A gentle cleanser like Cetaphil Restoraderm, followed by a application of a non-comedogenic moisturizer like Cerave (which I actually didn’t use in the beginning) can help with the milia and new acne. I actually used a vitamin C, E and Jojoba-oil cream, called Alhydran, which is known to help with burns but also happens to hydrate the skin without making it look messy. At about 3 months post-laser, I did weekly half-hour long skin-massages using Argan oil to prevent new scars from forming. I’m not saying you should do exactly the same, but it helped with my particular situation.
The needling story so far:
At roughly 2 months post laser, I tried a 0,5mm derma roller at home to see if needling would be a viable option to further treat my scars. I can personally testify that my skin would turn even more red than it already was and would peel like crazy a few days afterwards. That was my first experience with skin needling, the second was a 2 to 3mm Dermapen treatment in April 2014, which caused additional milia and redness that would continue on for more than 2 weeks, which wasn’t at all pleasurable! Although these treatments didn’t cause any long term adverse affects, in hindsight I should have waited for at least 6 months before doing any serious needling because it took that long for the redness to subside from the laser treatment. It sounds really stupid, but I did’t took any clear before/after pictures during that time. Having not picked up on needling because of the negative experiences and minimal perceivable results, I put all my hope in an expensive procedure called Recell. At that time I still had a job, but in the beginning of 2015 they had to let me go because of financial setbacks of the company, rendering my plan for Recell unfeasible. It was at that time that needling came back into the picture and I just heard that a new product called “Derminator" was available at Owndoc. It is some kind of Dermapen, but without causing the so-called micro-tearing which is typical of the Derma Roller and Dermapen. On paper it sounded all great so I ordered the machine and tested at 0,25mm depth, following a freshly prepared vitamin C application. There weren’t any negative adverse effects and I even noticed a nice glow in the days afterwards. Although my general impression was positive, it would take another 5 months until the very first real treatment described in this review.
1st treatment:
The aim for this series of treatment is to find out if derma needling is a viable option against post-laser adverse effects, as well as a way of treating existing acne scarring. I performed the first Derminator treatment at home on the 12th of june 2015, according to a slightly adapted protocol that I used from Owndoc. Note: this isn’t based on any medical advise, so don’t blame me if it doesn’t work for your particular situation if you choose to try it.
1) Prepping the skin using freshly prepared vitamin C solution following a special retinol ointment application every night for at least 5 days beforehand.
2) Steambath just before needling to soften the skin. (I actually skipped this step the first time)
3) Applying optional numbing agent. (I can stand the pain though)
4) Performing the treatment, taking all neccesary hygienic precautions like cleaning the face with alcohol.
5) Rinsing off any residual blood and air-dry the face, not using a towel or tissue.
6) Applying special retinol ointment using sterile latex gloves, applying this daily until the redness decreases substantially.
7) After the first day, also massaging the skin using vitamin C + copper peptide serum and continuing this for another 3 to 5 days.
8) Resume normal moisturizer after the redness has subsided.
Afterwards I made sure to clean the unit and the needle cartridge according to the instructions from the manual. My face was very red and I had a lot of pinpoint bleeding. The needle depth was 1,5mm and the treatment itself took roughly 5 minutes. After three days, the redness was almost completely gone, making it possible to perform the treatment over a long weekend. I’m planning to repeat this every 3 weeks, following a skin update on RS shortly after. I might introduce the suction cup method for the tethered scars next time, but I doubt they will improve any ice-pick scarring though.
UPDATED FROM dutchguy
22 days post
2nd treatment
dutchguyJuly 4, 2015
Today I performed my second treatment, after waiting for more than three weeks after the previous one. I decided to change the routine, by applying copper peptide serum right after needling. I'm still not comfortable spraying Vit C sollution directly after needling, because it will probably sting like hell and might even irritate the skin. Meanwhile, the temperature is 35 degrees Celsius outside and I regret not being able to enjoy the sun today. I did this treatment during the day and shot the pictures with another lens. I decided to show you the actual pinpoint bleeding that the Derminator is causing.
Replies (28)
July 4, 2015
I forgot to mention that the needle depth was 1.5mm, just as before. I read scarwarrior's review (derma roller) and I'm considering to increase the depth to 2.5mm next time.
July 5, 2015
Any positive changes to your skin thus far? I realize this is a long process. I have done two sessions and I feel like maybe my scarred pores look a little flatter? Too soon to tell though ...
July 5, 2015
Lef0x just updated her review on Dermabrasion and stated that it seems it has gotten rid of some of the fine lines caused by the laser.
July 5, 2015
No changes as of yet. I do notice the micro-swelling by now, but that is not permanent and I'm fully aware of that. I can even say that I percieve my skin to be worse, but that could be because I'm more self-conscious right now. I'll try to make pictures in overhead bathroom lighting next time, just as I did the first time.
July 5, 2015
It's good that you don't have rolling scar pitted scar and bumpy bro, i'm not against needle but ill be honest with you, needling will not work for our skin, needling is almost the same like Non ablative laser, they create micro-swelling for couple months during the process and trust me let it goes for a year the scars will come back to normal again. The people that claimed needling works because the micro swelling made them in delusion, let's be real, your scar or mine are hard to treat since you are allergic to Laser, i suggest you go for surgery (subcision+excision or injection) , ive done 5 times non-ablative laser, 6 months post now no change at all bro, i'm planning for an Injection+co2 laser or subcision+excision, Google it 95 out of 100 this procedure worked and you 100% see improvement, 10 out of 100 Laser doesn't work but in that 10 peoples some got laser damaged. By doing a research for a year now i know nothing better than a surgery, Most of Doctor just LIE LIE LIE to us all they want is money 90% of them don't really cares, that's why we gotta look for the honest one. Check my profile bro, you see my scars, next year i'm gonna head to Asia for injection+co2 ill keep it update, if this procedure won't work, i think i might fly to Washington Bellevue to see Dr Phillip Young. Good luck to you bro hope all the best for u.
July 5, 2015
Micro swelling does not last month's it lasts weeks at most. Ad we age we continue to lose collagen and fat so of course with time if he were to successfully treat his skin with needling as he got older they would again be seen due to the fact that the ageing process continues. Needling would very much be an ongoing process and that's true regardless of whether you're needling laser damaged skin or healthy skin. As for Dr. Phillip Young stay far away very, very far. Several lawsuits pending on him, multiple bad reviews with photos not on just this site.
July 5, 2015
DeathEmperor, I appreciate your concerns and I think there's some truth to it. But on top of the general needling techniques, I have a few tricks up my sleeve. I ordered a suction cup set along with the needling device to increase blood flow after needling. I plan to introduce this method on some of the box car scars, as I read that they will raise up under the pressure. As for the pitted scars, my needling device also has single needle cartridges. Intense and deep single needling an ice pick scar can gradually break up the binding structures underneath, although this is a very slow proces. Either method will take increasingly longer than subcision or excision, but I'm willing to try these nevertheless. Micro swelling does not even last two weeks, as you'll probably see in my pictures. There is no noticeable difference in scar depth or smoothness yet. This is why I also don't take any pictures at a few days post-op, because I'll know I trick myself in perceiving the micro-swelling as an improvement. There are several promising stories on acne dot org, that show steady improvement over a very long time. (even several years)
July 6, 2015
My laser induced micro holes responded quickly and well to single needling. I first dermarolled over them, then stamped. That gave some improvement but not nearly the improvement that single needling gave.
July 7, 2015
Wow, that's really good news! I'll try single needling when I have available downtime. How did you single-needle your scars if I may ask? I read that some had succes after using a diabetic needle to repeatedly poke the scar at several angles. I only have the option to poke my scars at a straight angle due to the machine I'm using.
July 7, 2015
Diabetic needles work well for single needling. I got my needles from Vaughter's site. They are 1.8 mm I pierce each hole/scar about 5-10 times, depending on the size of the hole. I go in directly in, straight down, a couple times, then I angle from the different sides a few times, to break up the borders. Where the results with stamping (and also using a dermapen) were slow and steady, with single needling the results were rather rapid. A warning though, it takes longer to recover, and instead of being the same red/pink color all over, your skin may be more nasty splotchy looking. I don't recommend using products with Vitamin A in them right after needling, or Vitamin C. Vitamin C because it is too irritating. Vitamin A because no research has been done to show what happens when products like Retin A are able to penetrate way deeper. I am concerned about so many people coming forward and saying they have damage and/or what looks like fat loss from Retin A, and I personally wouldn't risk allowing it to penetrate way deeper right after needling. I also stopped using Infadalon after needling for the same reason (it contains vitamin A).
July 7, 2015
To better clarify, I do take Vitamin C by pill after needling since it is needed to build collagen. However, I stop putting it topically on my skin the day before needling, and start back up a few days after.
July 6, 2015
First of all, I dont think it looks that bad, you seem to have a very good jaw and some acne scars won't be the focus point of normal people looking at you.
All these treatments are based on the idea that destroying tissue activates the body to heal, and hopefully create better looking scars. If the body doesn't heal the skin in the way you hope, there is nothing more you can do about it. It's as simple as that.
I highly suggest stopping any treatment right now. Especially since it is summer and the strong sun will do no good. If in 4 to 5 months you still have a strong need to 'fix', try 3mm needling. It is the preferred depth, especially for men, when dealing with acne scars. This is painful and not many people can tolerate this by only using a numbing cream. It will bleed, if it isn't needles are getting deep enough. It is important to make sure the skin and needles are sterile.
Sources: http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Guide-Percutaneous-Collagen-Induction/dp/1850972532
http://www.kvm-medizinverlag.de/out/media/Illustrated_Guide_Percutaneous_Collagen_Induction.pdf (20-30 pages)
All these treatments are based on the idea that destroying tissue activates the body to heal, and hopefully create better looking scars. If the body doesn't heal the skin in the way you hope, there is nothing more you can do about it. It's as simple as that.
I highly suggest stopping any treatment right now. Especially since it is summer and the strong sun will do no good. If in 4 to 5 months you still have a strong need to 'fix', try 3mm needling. It is the preferred depth, especially for men, when dealing with acne scars. This is painful and not many people can tolerate this by only using a numbing cream. It will bleed, if it isn't needles are getting deep enough. It is important to make sure the skin and needles are sterile.
Sources: http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Guide-Percutaneous-Collagen-Induction/dp/1850972532
http://www.kvm-medizinverlag.de/out/media/Illustrated_Guide_Percutaneous_Collagen_Induction.pdf (20-30 pages)
July 7, 2015
g6497695... First of all, I would like to thank you for stating that the scars on my scars are often not the main focus for other people. I hold this to be true, though it took me very long to realize this after laser damage. I think that good people ultimately judge you on the virtues you have achieved in your character. I fact, this realization has changed the way I think about a lot of things. I now mostly try to avoid vain people altogether, and I tend to see things clearer for what they are.
Having said that, I think you misunderstood something fundamental about skin needling. It doesn't destroy the skin like ablative laser does, in that it doesn't burn coulombs of your skin away. It creates micro-channels and breaks tissue apart to promote blood flow and to induce collagen production. Protection from the sun is essential after skin needling, although the downtime won't be as long as peels, dermabrasion or ablative laser procedures because with needling the epidermis is preserved.
Having said that, I think you misunderstood something fundamental about skin needling. It doesn't destroy the skin like ablative laser does, in that it doesn't burn coulombs of your skin away. It creates micro-channels and breaks tissue apart to promote blood flow and to induce collagen production. Protection from the sun is essential after skin needling, although the downtime won't be as long as peels, dermabrasion or ablative laser procedures because with needling the epidermis is preserved.
UPDATED FROM dutchguy
2 months post
Quick update: Third treatment and lost photo's :(
dutchguyAugust 7, 2015
Sorry, it took so long. I've been on holidays since the last treatment and I accidently deleted the photo's because I was fiddeling with the cards to take with me. So sorry guys, no photo's this time.
I can say that I went deeper this time and had lots of bleeding on my cheeks. I went 2,5mm deep in the center of my cheeks and enjoyed some nice micro-swelling afterwards. Unfortunately I also had more peeling of the skin, even after 5 days! I've also made a milestone: I've allowed for careful sun exposure throughout my vacation and actually got some pigment back after laser, so that's great! During the night, I was back on Emu oil for damage control after sun exposure and it worked as hoped.
Now for the billion dollar question: Did it actually reduce the scars? - unfortunately, not really. But that's to be expected after just three treatments. Maybe there's some change, but I can only compare when I'll start the next treatment (+ photo's of course)
I can say that I went deeper this time and had lots of bleeding on my cheeks. I went 2,5mm deep in the center of my cheeks and enjoyed some nice micro-swelling afterwards. Unfortunately I also had more peeling of the skin, even after 5 days! I've also made a milestone: I've allowed for careful sun exposure throughout my vacation and actually got some pigment back after laser, so that's great! During the night, I was back on Emu oil for damage control after sun exposure and it worked as hoped.
Now for the billion dollar question: Did it actually reduce the scars? - unfortunately, not really. But that's to be expected after just three treatments. Maybe there's some change, but I can only compare when I'll start the next treatment (+ photo's of course)
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August 7, 2015
How much numbing do you use with the 2.5 mm? Glad you got some pigment back!!!
August 9, 2015
I haven't actually used any numbing cream. It hurts like hell, but that doesn't stop me from going through with it. Numbing cream isn't all that cheap, but I'm on a tight budget.
August 10, 2015
Hi - You probably already know this. But microneedling is a loong process, and to really see any substantial results you must keep going at least a year or more.
The testimonials at owndoc speaks for themselves. The ones who keeps on going will eventually see results. So keep it up !
I have just invested in a Derminator myself, and I´ll be in it for the long run. If it takes 1 or 2 years of suffering each month, I´m willing to trade that for a life with minimal scaring.
I have a feeling that you will agree :)
The testimonials at owndoc speaks for themselves. The ones who keeps on going will eventually see results. So keep it up !
I have just invested in a Derminator myself, and I´ll be in it for the long run. If it takes 1 or 2 years of suffering each month, I´m willing to trade that for a life with minimal scaring.
I have a feeling that you will agree :)
August 11, 2015
Wow a year or more.. That's longer than I expected. I suppose it does take a while for scar tissue to remodel though. Like dutchguy, I am also doing this to break up some of the scar tissue I received from fraxel. My biggest concern is things getting worse but I haven't heard from anyone that their laser damage has gotten worse.
August 11, 2015
Note that he wrote, "I have just invested in a Derminator myself." It sounds like he is just starting to needle, and is giving his interpretation of something he read. There are pictures all over the net with those who have substantial changes within months. In fact, some of the examples are on the cite he is referencing. I will pm you a link from that cite which shows a man with had significant rolling scars over a large part of his face and he looks so different after 4 months.
August 11, 2015
Yes I have just bought a Derminator, but I have dermastamped for 4 month, before taking the plunge. Of course, different people will have different outcomes. I have almost literally read ALL the posts on owndoc, and from this i have concluded that you might as well be prepared to be in it for for the long run. Some people do see great improvement in just 2 or 3 treatments - But this is far from the majority. I think think that people rather want to be pleasantly suprised, as opposed to disappointed if no results can be seen after only a couple of treatments.
August 11, 2015
Please keep in mind too that there are people who go get needling sessions done by a professional and end up being damaged. Much like laser damage becoming a so called needling specialist and being licensed for it doesn't require much training at all. Personally I think you're better off doing it yourself. There is enough information out there as well as videos on YouTube to guide you through the process.
August 11, 2015
I'm guessing this comment is to me. I just feel more comfortable having my esthetician do it. He's extremely nice, gentle and understands the harms of lasers as he has helped many clients with laser damage. Cjjr also saw him for his laser damage and recommended him to me.
August 11, 2015
No, I responded in the wrong forum sorry. I was trying to respond to this comment from Misty Barnes "http://www.realself.com/reviewentry/533953#comment-3186533"
but that was on dutchguys forum not yours so apologies for the confusion
but that was on dutchguys forum not yours so apologies for the confusion
August 11, 2015
August 11, 2015
August 11, 2015
One person says this and another person says that. Please correct me if I'm wrong but Dr Des Fernandes has studied the dermaroller for many years and I believe he says drawing blood while needling is a good thing for it to be effective. He's written a book with 2 other doctors on the subject. I've also talked to doctors who say needling is effective and others who say it does nothing at all. Someone here just posted a product that has worked for them. I emailed the doctor who makes the product and she told me to discontinue Dermarolling immediately because it was no good and could cause damage. So all of this stuff seems to be based on money and there's risk involved in all of it. I have bled every time I've been Dermarollered by an esthetician. I've had it done 12 times already. He has been trained on it. He just sent me 2 legit advertisements for becoming a laser tech in a week. That is scary. Has Dermarolling helped me? I think it has helped some. But scarring seems really hard to fix. And the medical people and spas do or should know this and be honest and ethical with people. I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right. It's just that what works for one person may not work for another.
August 11, 2015
Exactly! My point was to become someone licensed in becoming either a laser tech or a dermarolling specialist does not involve all that much training. Anyone can do it and honestly it doesn't require that much skill. You can flaunt your credentials as much as you like on here it doesn't change the fact that even though you haven't seen someone damaged by someone highly trainer in dermarolling it still happens. My laser doctor said she'd performed hundreds of IPL's including on herself and had never had an issue. Pretty standard money making response as far as im concerned. Hey don't worry ive never had any problems performing the procedure so lets get this done and give me your money. No thanks, I don't need to go to a professional because I've already seen how well professionals and in my case a professor of dermatology operates. Credentials no longer mean a thing to me. The site owndoc.com has plenty of testimonials and photos of people who have done dermarolling on themselves with great success. You risk scarring when you go above 1.5mm but if you stick to 1.5mm or below you'll be fine. Just follow the instructions provided as to how often to needle / stamp and you'll be fine. Like CJJR said everyone responds differently to different treatments so its up to the individual to find what works best for them. Oh and Cjjr I also have bled everytime I've dermarolled and I too have read that pinprick bleeding is a normal part of the process. The problem with doctors or any licensed esthetician or needling practitioner is there is no consensus when it comes to procedures offered. Unless a person has done a multi year study that has been published by a legitimate review journal such as the New England Journal of Medicine their professional opinions matter very little to me.
August 21, 2015
Thanks johnny. All 12 Dermaroller sessions I've done were with a 1.5mm. I'm wondering if the Dermapen is better?
August 21, 2015
Adam usually does the dermapen on me. It hurts a lot less and I hear there is a lot less chance of scarring. Have you seen Adam lately?
August 21, 2015
HI Frax. No I haven't seen Adam during the summer school break. I'll schedule with him in the fall. I hope things are improving for you and every one of us. Almost 3 years out for me. It has improved. Keeping my face oil/shine free is what works best for me. It seems to me that oily skin shows more flaws. Anyone else find that to be true?
August 23, 2015
Whoops sorry I didn't see this. My texture looks bad when it's oily and dry.. either way it just looks kind of bad unfortunately.
August 23, 2015
Cjjr- I had the opposite where I had horrible dryness that made my damage look way worse. Probably, it goes either way, that extreme dryness or oiliness would cause skin imperfections to stick out more.
December 25, 2015
March 23, 2019
I've had mine for over a year and have no used it because I haven't found the time or energy to deal with exact directions but have the all the prep stuff and have read the forum and directions. I am afraid of unintended consequences as I got from CO2 laser, I suppose. A year is not too long if you consider how fast it flew for me and I realize I have not used it yet. I think I will do my first treatment on my knee area to see what really happens.
How did it go for you? Any good results? Still using it? Thank you.
How did it go for you? Any good results? Still using it? Thank you.
August 11, 2015
September 10, 2015
If you have a little money and some time (2-4wks) you should see my doctor for acne scarring.
September 10, 2015
Firestargal, DR. Phillip Young your guy has multiple lawsuits against him for botched procedures. You were very lucky you got good results from him. If you look at his reviews both on this site and out and read about some of the horror stories you'd have thought twice about going to him. I recommend anyone considering dr. Phillip Young to do their research.
September 20, 2015
I've been having microneedling done professionally and after 4 treatments I'm starting to see real progress on my scarring. I've also recently started a product called green cream that I read a review on real self that seems to be helping. The peeling is to be expected according to my derm.
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