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Disappointed with my Lip Lift : the surgeon ruined my life.
UPDATED FROM Spacedementia
7 years post
Had a skin graft in 2022, still depressed.
SpacedementiaMarch 16, 2024
$2,932
Hi everyone, I didn’t come to real self for many years now and didn’t check my account because I wanted to be as far as I could to reality.
I am still a shut in since 2016, which means I don’t go outside since 8 years now due to my traumatic surgery, I dropped off of university 8 years ago, im not working, I’m alone all the time and very depressed. I have a psychiatrist and had therapy for two years which hasn’t really helped. I have medications and I take them everyday, it helps a bit, I’ve been crying less at least.
I am writing this so that future people don’t make the mistake I did and never go to Dr Zwillinger if you don’t want to be botched.
So I had a skin graft in 2022, made by Dr Le Louarn a Parisian surgeon, I had a good experience with him, he was reassuring and did everything he could to help me. He took skin for the back of my ears and put it on my philtrum. Now I have a philtrum of 1cm, which is better than 6mm. BUT I have a huge skin graft scar which cannot be hidden with makeup or anything else, so there’s another problem. I know the surgeon can’t do anything else to help me. The scar is very thick and raised like an hypertrophic scar, I had steroid injections twice and laser but it didn’t really changed, I also had a revision in 2024 where the doctor tried to flatten surgically the scar but unfortunately it didn’t worked out …
I am wearing silicone sheets & doing massage everyday to hope flatten the scar but I’m losing hope.
If anyone has tips on how to flatten a raised skin graft scar I would really be glad to hear it…
Anyway, please be nice to me, I’m still very fragile and can take the comments at heart. I am posting this only to say that yes I’m still alive but it’s hard everyday I want to give up.
I am still a shut in since 2016, which means I don’t go outside since 8 years now due to my traumatic surgery, I dropped off of university 8 years ago, im not working, I’m alone all the time and very depressed. I have a psychiatrist and had therapy for two years which hasn’t really helped. I have medications and I take them everyday, it helps a bit, I’ve been crying less at least.
I am writing this so that future people don’t make the mistake I did and never go to Dr Zwillinger if you don’t want to be botched.
So I had a skin graft in 2022, made by Dr Le Louarn a Parisian surgeon, I had a good experience with him, he was reassuring and did everything he could to help me. He took skin for the back of my ears and put it on my philtrum. Now I have a philtrum of 1cm, which is better than 6mm. BUT I have a huge skin graft scar which cannot be hidden with makeup or anything else, so there’s another problem. I know the surgeon can’t do anything else to help me. The scar is very thick and raised like an hypertrophic scar, I had steroid injections twice and laser but it didn’t really changed, I also had a revision in 2024 where the doctor tried to flatten surgically the scar but unfortunately it didn’t worked out …
I am wearing silicone sheets & doing massage everyday to hope flatten the scar but I’m losing hope.
If anyone has tips on how to flatten a raised skin graft scar I would really be glad to hear it…
Anyway, please be nice to me, I’m still very fragile and can take the comments at heart. I am posting this only to say that yes I’m still alive but it’s hard everyday I want to give up.
Replies (5)
March 28, 2024
He recommended skin graft to restore my nasal base. My philtrum measures 12 mm. It is unfortunately a bit short to improve the nose. I will do corner lift. Otherwise the A frame will not go away. Which looks very artificial. I have gained 0.5 - 1 mm by stretching it. I will see another doctor in 3 months. He specializes in reconstructing noses after cancer. Hopefully he can help me. My biggest problem is my nose. Someone needs to fix my nose. Otherwise I won't leave the house either
March 28, 2024
Unfortunately, I can't help you with the scar. The scar probably runs horizontally right? I can't really imagine what the scar looks like now. Sometimes dermabrasion or microneedling helps, but I would be very cautious.What does your doctor say? Do you actually see a big difference in your skin?
April 3, 2024
Now I have a 1 cm philtrum against 6mm before. I have done 16 sessions of microneedling, 7 sessions of CO2 laser, silicone sheet and gel, I tried everything over the last few years to improve the scar but nothing changes. It is very puffy and hypertrophic. Tbh 12 mm philtrum is perfect.
April 4, 2024
Unfortunately, 12 mm is not ideal for me. I can't close my mouth properly even after 8 months and i need more mm to restore my nose...Unfortunately my whole result looks like a cleft lip right now. I think you already have everything done to improve your scar. Perhaps it would make more sense if you had microsurgery and a new skin graft...I can't name any doctors here. That's why my last post was deleted Maybe your scar didn't turn out so well because of the technique. What did your scar look like after your first liplift?
... Another option would be no skin graft and instead lift the sides of the lip. I know your philtrum is short, but Dr. M. sometimes makes philtrums that short. If I were you, I would seek advice from other doctors. I'm sure there is a solution. Even if it will be a long road.
... Another option would be no skin graft and instead lift the sides of the lip. I know your philtrum is short, but Dr. M. sometimes makes philtrums that short. If I were you, I would seek advice from other doctors. I'm sure there is a solution. Even if it will be a long road.
UPDATED FROM Spacedementia
5 months post
Need advices
SpacedementiaNovember 8, 2016
so I'm looking for doing laser in 4 months as it is supposed to wait 6 months, hoping my scar will be better even if it's a mess.
but I was thinking about having another lip lift but only on the sides, (on the side of the nostrils) because as you may know my philtrul length is only 6 mm i'll never short this again, I wish I was only 1 cm :(.... anyway, do you think it would be great to remove skin from the side to not have this triangular mouth anymore? because if skin is removed from the side the lips will look more straight and less triangular no?
what do you think guys?
I don't want to do something before one year or so but I'm thinking about solution because if I stay like that I won't be able to go out for the rest of my life.
but I was thinking about having another lip lift but only on the sides, (on the side of the nostrils) because as you may know my philtrul length is only 6 mm i'll never short this again, I wish I was only 1 cm :(.... anyway, do you think it would be great to remove skin from the side to not have this triangular mouth anymore? because if skin is removed from the side the lips will look more straight and less triangular no?
what do you think guys?
I don't want to do something before one year or so but I'm thinking about solution because if I stay like that I won't be able to go out for the rest of my life.
Replies (5)
November 8, 2016
Do you not have a scar in your alar creases aka behind your nostril rims right now? If you don't, then I don't think it's a good idea to be adding even more scarring by having skin cut on the sides. However, if only your cupid bow is pulled up AND it's driving you crazy then perhaps it makes sense to take out skin on the sides to balance it out but maybe only a couple of mm's to start? You can always take more skin but you can never put it back!! Besides, the more skin is resected, the more likely you are to end up with a bad scar because of all the tension-something I learned after it happened to me. :((((((
November 8, 2016
no nothing was removed from the side (between my nostrils) that's why I have a triangle mouth because 9 mm were removed ONLY from the center !!! so I lost my natural lip shape. I'll think about it in 6 months or more. because I want to have a more natural shape and when I pull my skin down to my nostril the lip shape become less triangular
November 8, 2016
I had my revision 8 months after the first operation. It's best to wait a little longer, so you can give your skin some time to relax and eventually stretch a little. Perhaps you could email some good clinics in Europe and ask for more professional advice? It's also quite difficult to judge what would work for you, as we never got to see your results. My lips are also slightly "triangle" at the moment, but I know it will last for a couple of months only. I hope that helps. Stay strong.
November 8, 2016
I saw your lips they are perfect. when I say triangular is 6-7 mm of skin between nose and cupid bow and all the rest of the lip is at the original 14 -15 mm
but I won't do anything I guess. Lady G said hers stretched 3-4mm with a year or so, so I'll wait one year and I'll do laser.
does laser help make the upper lip longer?
I saw a review here where a girl used fraxel and gain 1 or 2 mm with fraxel, I think it's "gabby"
but I won't do anything I guess. Lady G said hers stretched 3-4mm with a year or so, so I'll wait one year and I'll do laser.
does laser help make the upper lip longer?
I saw a review here where a girl used fraxel and gain 1 or 2 mm with fraxel, I think it's "gabby"
November 8, 2016
Wait...so you have a V-shaped scar JUST above your cupid bow? So it isn't very long then?
November 8, 2016
yes I have the scar all along my nostril and he removed so much skin that my cupid bow area touch the tip of my nose where the scar is. basically he only remove the 8 mm on the center. first my scar was invisible but since the revision as the revision became thicker it s more obvious.
January 21, 2017
Hi Spacedementia
Can you put a before /after picture of your lips ? It's hard to understand you with not even a pic
January 30, 2017
Could you please post a before and after picture? It's hard to give advice on not seeing the result. Sometimes things aren't as bad as we think they are, they just look different. From my surgeries I have noticed slight changes over a years time that took me from sheer disappointment to truly happy, this might be the case for you too! Pictures help a lot.
January 30, 2017
I would not wait to do the laser. My dermatologist said for scars, she start laser treatment a few weeks after surgery. The sooner the better. She is a pioneer in the field and is one of the best cosmetic dermatologists in the world. Also, are you able to come to the US for treatment?
June 21, 2017
How are you feeling about everything at this point? Feeling any better? Wishing you well..!
UPDATED FROM Spacedementia
5 months post
advice for laser treatment?
SpacedementiaNovember 8, 2016
So.... if anyone read my all review you can see how much depressed I am. I know now I'll never be able to have a normal lips shape, a normal philtrum length, but since my second revision something is driving me crazy, my scar. It was so smooth and invisible with makeup before the revision and now it's very thick, red, and I have many holes all around my nose that come down to my philtrum. they are very deep such as the stitches scars. So basically my nostrils disappeared totally I only have a deep scar and nothing is "closing" my nose. the scar + the lips + the philtrum length is driving me crazy... I m so upset and now the only thing I can do Is blaming myself for having this revision with this bucher because even if my lips were horrible before the scar was fine...
so what can I do about my scar?
what laser? and how many months do I have to wait?
because now even with all the makeup of the world nothing can covered ! I've never seen such a bad lip lift result anywhere in REALSELF or GOOGLE.
I'm very sad, no one is supporting me in real life, i'm all by myself, And even if I stopped school, all of my future projet are a fantasy. I feel like a monster... anyway I'll stop blaming myself, If I was clever I would have visit many doctors before going to this one who destroyed my life... I swear even if my lips looks horrible, swollen, stick to my nose, the scar made everything worst.
So should I wait 6 months to have laser? what type of laser really work?
(If I didn't do this revision I wouldn't even thinking about waisting money laser again ... :()
Plus I have a huge scar stitching just above my philtrum which make my philtrum even shorter...
please If you have any advice for laser I'm listening....
And do you think it could relax my lips a bit more?
Now I'm scarred of massing the scar because it's terrifying , anyone could see it .. it's so big and disgusting ... all of you girls had chance to have good surgeon, I swear If only I did a review before choosing my PS maybe some girl would have helped me.. plus, I found all pictures of myself, I cried a lost because I already had a tiny philtrum and beautiful lips and they were perfect with filler.. now everything is over...
I truly don't have any hope for my future, I 'm so sad because I had my previous nose job out of the country for a very cheap price and it was perfect, the staff was nice and the surgeon made a perfect nose (now I can see it) but now my nose is destroyed by this scar because all of the nostrils looks ripped off and it looks widder ! And I told myself I should go to Paris, were the price are higher because the surgeon will be more careful, I WAS WRONG !!!! I first planned going to poland and when I sent them an email after my lip lift happened they told me I shouldn't do it cause my lips were perfect, that's what a real surgeon should have tell me !!
I'm so destroyed , I swear, I don't eat anymore, I don't go out, I lost all of my friends, I lost my future, sorry to bother you all but I need to write it.. my life is over, I 'm disfigured... even more with this terrible scar... my philtrum looks always swollen like a monkey face, when it used to be flat ! I think it's because he took too much skin because girls here who removed 4 or 5 never get this monkey face....all results are so good that I can't handle going on real self as much as I did.
thank you for reading me,
ps : I live in france, so if you know a name there for a laser specialist, or only if you had laser did it make the scar less obvious? thanks
so what can I do about my scar?
what laser? and how many months do I have to wait?
because now even with all the makeup of the world nothing can covered ! I've never seen such a bad lip lift result anywhere in REALSELF or GOOGLE.
I'm very sad, no one is supporting me in real life, i'm all by myself, And even if I stopped school, all of my future projet are a fantasy. I feel like a monster... anyway I'll stop blaming myself, If I was clever I would have visit many doctors before going to this one who destroyed my life... I swear even if my lips looks horrible, swollen, stick to my nose, the scar made everything worst.
So should I wait 6 months to have laser? what type of laser really work?
(If I didn't do this revision I wouldn't even thinking about waisting money laser again ... :()
Plus I have a huge scar stitching just above my philtrum which make my philtrum even shorter...
please If you have any advice for laser I'm listening....
And do you think it could relax my lips a bit more?
Now I'm scarred of massing the scar because it's terrifying , anyone could see it .. it's so big and disgusting ... all of you girls had chance to have good surgeon, I swear If only I did a review before choosing my PS maybe some girl would have helped me.. plus, I found all pictures of myself, I cried a lost because I already had a tiny philtrum and beautiful lips and they were perfect with filler.. now everything is over...
I truly don't have any hope for my future, I 'm so sad because I had my previous nose job out of the country for a very cheap price and it was perfect, the staff was nice and the surgeon made a perfect nose (now I can see it) but now my nose is destroyed by this scar because all of the nostrils looks ripped off and it looks widder ! And I told myself I should go to Paris, were the price are higher because the surgeon will be more careful, I WAS WRONG !!!! I first planned going to poland and when I sent them an email after my lip lift happened they told me I shouldn't do it cause my lips were perfect, that's what a real surgeon should have tell me !!
I'm so destroyed , I swear, I don't eat anymore, I don't go out, I lost all of my friends, I lost my future, sorry to bother you all but I need to write it.. my life is over, I 'm disfigured... even more with this terrible scar... my philtrum looks always swollen like a monkey face, when it used to be flat ! I think it's because he took too much skin because girls here who removed 4 or 5 never get this monkey face....all results are so good that I can't handle going on real self as much as I did.
thank you for reading me,
ps : I live in france, so if you know a name there for a laser specialist, or only if you had laser did it make the scar less obvious? thanks
Replies (5)
November 8, 2016
My clinic told me to wait at least one year with a laser.
November 8, 2016
really? because I sent emails to a lot of dermatologist in Paris, they told me 6 months is ok. and I saw a girl on RS who had fraxel 2 or 3 months after...
I'll try to search more then.
I'll try to search more then.
November 8, 2016
I was also told to wait a full year. Is there any plastic surgeons you can see about laser in Paris? I just think they would have more knowledge on the matter, since they also do surgery/scar revision, so they could advise which route is best for you. Oh, and for the love of God, don't let your original PS operate on you again.
November 8, 2016
He did, I had a revision with him and it was a nightmare. I will never be operate by this bucher !!
November 9, 2016
I did a couple of fraxel repair laser on my hypertrophic lip lift scar and it didn't do as much as needeling did! Also cortisone shots I did all that in a year and I waited about 7 months to start these treatments, the cortisone shot for the scar tissue is awesome but painful. I got the scar to look better but not as good as I want it, so I just ended up removing that scar with another scar so far so good I still have stitches plus a little bit dermabond glue on top of stitches, but I should know by February if I will be developing a hypertrophic scar again, I'm hoping not. I realize ur issue is different and u cannot cut out scar but maybe if I try all three methods ur scar tissue will relax and dissolve and with time ur Upper lip lowers more. Can you post pictures? I read people comments that they see your pictures but I cannot see any! Good luck
January 12, 2017
Hello, thanks for sharing your journey and how are things progressing? Have you gotten the laser to help with the appearance of the scar? Have you thought about microneedling the scar? Also maybe try scar creams and ointments like mederma or silicone pads. It will take time, but it could gradually improve if you do a combination of different scar improvement procedures. Is the LL really that bad or are you just being overly critical of yourself? Maybe, to others it looks ok? Perhaps you should post a few pics so the people on Rs can comment and support you and give you hope? Sometimes we are our own worst critic! I know I am my own worst critic. I judge myself very harsh too. Sending good thoughts and vibes your way.
July 2, 2018
I had 5 fraxel treatment, NOTHING changed. in 2 years I am still at 6 mm philtrum nothing changed :(
February 22, 2018
oh dear so sorry about, but could you share some pictures?
July 2, 2018
sorry I can't, haven't taken any picture of my ugly face in 2 years and I covered all my mirror at home.
March 12, 2019
Its hard to r believe a person saying all these terrible things that the doctor did to you, when you don't even show us your face, before and after pictures. Seeing is believing.
Show us pictures please.
Show us pictures please.
You also had problems with the shape of your lip, right? I know your philtrum was very short, but maybe a corner lip-lift would have been enough? I wish you all the best and hope that you find a solution.