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60 YO and Not Ready to Shut Down the Factory Just Yet. East Texas, PA

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7 months post

Finally ready to state the obvious

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$1,800
Ok so she is old but she still has some life left in her! The MLT met my expectations but and isn't there always a but, I needed some more intervention. I was very please with the outcome. So I do recommend this procedure to other women who are experiencing the discomfort of menopause. I however think you should seek help soon and not wait as long as I did. It did not take care of the atrophy and that had to addressed separately. It completely solve my incontinence problem, completely, that was an added bonus! It rejuvenated the old factory to where you would hardly recognize the old girl. We are please with the results. I had some discomfort with each procedure but with medication it was bare able. I don't recommend planning a long flight on the next day. Good luck to all who try the MLT

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Stephanie Cunningham

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A real jewel of a Doctor. Took plenty of time to discuss the procedure and go over medical history. Very knowledgeable on the laser. Has clearly been well trained. Was compassionate and concerned that if I felt pain I should speak up. Her staff was professional and efficient. Gave clear and concise directions. Provided me with a phone number to call with any concerns. Only one mior surprise. I paid for the MLT and then when leaving had to pay an addition 150.00 I did not know about before hand. I felt this could have been explained more thoroughly in advance. I will update followup and email later.

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July 20, 2016
So what additional treatments if any are you using for the atrophy? I'm asking because that is my biggest problem. Any suggestions would be helpful.
October 22, 2016
A surgical intervention to remove small tags that are from earlier tearing of issues. I also used dilators to increase the opening. Every now and then I must still us a little lidocane at the opening.
July 22, 2016
I had this procedure starting in November of 2015. So far so good! Not like the good old days but HUGE improvement!!! Better and safer than hormone creams that I was previously using. I would absolutely recommend this procedure. Mine cost $1500 and I have no regrets spending the money. I told my significant other he can pay the yearly maintenance/user fee of $500. He is MORE than happy to do so.
July 22, 2016
Forgot to add, I had no discomfort whatsoever during or after the procedure other than bleeding. Take a pad with you or make sure to ask the doctor for one.
August 26, 2016
HI Trixie. Roughly how long did the results last for? I'm trying to decide if I want thermiva or MonaLisa for vaginally dryness.
Thank u
September 10, 2016
I've asked doctors here on realself and done my own research about the difference between Thermiva (not laser) and the laser treatments available (ex: Monalisa and Fotona) and the general consences is don't waste you money on Thermiva. It only warms the vaginal tissues but the temperature doesn't get high enough to improve the lining of the vaginal walls. I just had my first Fotona (Intimalase) treatment. It actually improved my ability to orgasm quicker which I didnt expect because my whole sexual life I have only had clitoral orgasms so that was a VERY pleasant added bonus! (I'm 51 and it was taking forever to reach orgasm!) Secondly, Ive already noticed an improvement in "peeling when I sneeze or cough"! YAY!! Neither my husband nor I have noticed a tighter vagina but other good things are certainly happening!!!! I can't wait for my next 2 treatments!!
September 10, 2016
I am now 9 months past the first treatment. I will say that it is a little more uncomfortable upon initiation of intercourse but once started, it is still comfortable and pain free. I am scheduled to have my yearly booster on November 11th. Is it as good as the old days when I was loaded with hormones? Nope, but it is MUCH improved from what it was before I had the procedure and I don't have to worry about cancer or a stroke from using hormones. I have no regrets spending the $1500 Hope this was helpful.
June 23, 2018
Where are u located and who was the doctor?
July 24, 2016
I am a stage 3 colo-rectal cancer survivor, post menopausal and not ready to quit sex.
Due to the radiation, chemo and surgery, the ol girl as you say, does not function the way it used to. Sex is painful and not ready to give up. Went to my family physician for medical opinion and he said some atrophy but, not bad.. hmmm that was no help. Can't take hormones or estrogen. So, I suppose what I am asking (oh, been this way about a year and a half) is it worth doing? No incontinence either.. Thank the Lord for that.
July 24, 2016
In my opinion. It was worth doing. I wish you well. You can also use a little lidocaine before sex to lessen any pain but it does nothing for tearing. I am very happy with my results. I need a surgical intervention for my advanced atrophy. Don't give up. Find a qualified obgyn.

This has opened my eyes in many wAys. I now understand why some men look to younger women!
February 22, 2018
Why younger women most of them they can fall in to , that's no fun either!!!
July 27, 2016
Although initially happy at outcome of this procedure it has been a total failure for me. It has been 2 months since my 3rd treatment. My vaginal canal is now much worse than when I began treatment. Pain and stinging worse than ever and even with lots of lubrication sex is unbearable.  It cost 2,400 - I do not recommend this at all.   I see the Gyno who performed the procedure on 10th August and will be intereseted in what he has to say.
December 18, 2016
Chillicat how did you make out with the doctor? What did he have to say? I ask because, after my 3rd treatment, things are not so good. After my first two treatments I was VERY happy. The tissue had thickened and lubrication was amazing. Now it's been almost two weeks since #3 and there is pain, itching and burning. There seems to be very little lubrication and I'm not sure what to make of it or do about it. Would be very interested in what your results were.
December 18, 2016
You should see my later posts. This procedure took longer than expected to work for me. Things are good now. I still need to some moisturisers and lubricants from time to time but things are good.
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September 10, 2016
After reading many stories of issues like this I can't help but wonder why most haven;t tried Bio-identical hormone therapy. Why not adjust to a new hormone rather than live in pain? I went into acute ovarian failure in 2013. I went through menopause over night, and it almost killed me. I mean it literally almost killed me. We couldn't figure out what was wrong, lost 24 pounds in 5 weeks. I was thin already .....( It is idiopathic no reasons, just happens to some women).....anyway...
Many women are scared of Hormone Replacement Therapies since the Women’s Health Initiative report in 2002. In retrospect, this landmark study used non-bioidentical hormones which did lead to an increase in some cancers and heart disease risks in some populations of women. It has since been proven that the problem with the study was the type of hormones used, rather than all hormone therapies. The estrogen used was Premarin Estrogen (conjugated equine estrogens, not bio identical) and the Progesterone was Provera, a synthetic progestin (not bio identical) that caused many problems.Natural sourced bioidentical estrogens and progesterone do not have the same health risk concerns as the synthetic hormones. In fact, naturally sourced hormones have been proven to have many benefits for Adult Hormone Deficiency Syndrome including improved cognition, bone health, cardiovascular health benefits and enhanced well-being
I have never never never enjoyed sex more...It thickens the vaginal walls, and you are ready for sex at any moment....
Maybe ask a specialist....I also take testosterone & progesterone.....they are important too!
September 10, 2016
I agree with you,I loved the bio-identical pellets I used to get,but my hair started thinning out too much so had too stop.I may try again in the future,if they can figure out some way to prevent that!
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September 10, 2016
Which hormone caused the hair loss?
September 11, 2016
I have tried bioidentical hormones several times with terrible results. Like everything else, they don't work for everyone. I wish they did.
September 11, 2016
You are very well informed, my dear Brooke. Everything you said is accurate. Many doctors as well as patients still hold on to the old findings in the Women's Health Initiative believing all hormone replacement therapies out there will cause cancer and other maladies. It takes an expert in hormones and the endocrine system to understand the effects all hormones play on bodily functions. Estrogens comprise three different components, estradiol, estriol and estrone. Each produces its own action with estradiol being the most chemically active or dominant estrogen. Progesterone and testosterone are the two other so called "sex" hormones. All in conjunction with each other help rebalance what nature has diminished during menopause, thus relieving some or all of the undesirable effects of these hormone deficiencies. The key here is of course the bio-identical versions of these hormones and not the synthetically produced ones. Bio-identical simply means exactly like what the body naturally manufactures during those all important child bearing years. Like anything else it's not right for everyone. I've heard many women complain of hair loss with the pellets...I have been post menopausal for 10 years and have been on different HRT during that time and can say that there was a period of time when I absolutely was not able to have intercourse due to the severe vaginal atrophy. The pain and burning was excruciating and I would get tiny fissures that would bleed. Nothing helped the situation and I had pretty much given up on my sex life. For three years I had no intimacy with my husband. Finally I had a conversation with a girlfriend of mine who was taking bio-identical hormones. I was introduced to a compounding pharmacist who in turn introduced me to a doctor of naturopathy. This doctor was so well versed in the actions and reactions of hormones on the body, I was totally blown away. I started BHRT in a transdermal cream and estriol vaginal cream. It took about a month but all of a sudden I was like a 15 year old boy....thoughts of sex never left my mind and I became obsessed with the subject. Not only was sex enjoyable again but the quality of my orgasms was over the top wonderful. Over the course of the last 5 years I have been on different dosages to keep any undesirable side effects away while keeping the most important ones in the fore. I've experienced hair loss but was cut back on the testosterone. My breasts would get sore so the estrogens were decreased. I would have bloating and weight gain and the progesterone seemed to contribute to that, so again a change. I know for me my body would tell me of an imbalance so thru blood work and my doctor's expertise a different dosage was formulated. Don't give up ladies. More and more people are discovering the benefits of bio-identical hormone replacement. It's been a miracle for me.
October 22, 2016
Before I tried the MLT I tried the bio identical to no avail for over a year.
UPDATED FROM Cat lover
1 month post

Second verse same as the first!

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Had treatment number 2 today. Same procedure with higher energy. I can honestly say the first treatment made some improvements. Not necessarily what I was expecting but a surprising side benefit is most noticable. I no longer have leakage! I had been using daily pads for urinary leakage for a couple of years and now have not had to buy them for at least three weeks. This is great news. However intercourse is still painful. There has been a change for the better with self lubrication but the atrophy at the opening needs further attention. I am using dilators and have made some progress but the journey continues. I remain hopeful because I am seeing benefits. I will let you know how it goes in the next few days regarding side effects. I had a lot of itching last time but have prepared for it this time should it start. Not much else to report. Hubby and I are continuing to remain close and finding ways to be intimate. I believe this is healthy for both of us. Hopefully function will be restored in the coming weeks.

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January 20, 2016

Thanks for the update, glad everything is going well. We have another lady who has just joined the community, and she is really excited about this procedure, here is a link to her review if you want to stop by and say hello — I am sure she would love the support. ☺

January 21, 2016
Thanks for the update. I just had treatment #2 it has been a week. Have some itching and swelling that I don't like but I feel the itching is a form of healing. About same results as you after 1st treatment. Am looking forward to taking the old remodled girl for a spin maybe next week . The intimacy loss has been very hard for me and my husband. I think we need to try harder to be close this has been tough. But things are looking up, the daily pain, itching and dryness are gone and I can pee again without pain too. Thanks for your blog
January 22, 2016
Xthe itching is driving me crazy today. I called the doc and she has ordered lidocaine cream and antihistamines. I hope it helps. I wonder if I am allergic to the numbing cream as all my itching is external and not internal. Not sure. Just hoping this is worth it!
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January 21, 2016
Thank you for your updates! I just had treatment #1 yesterday. I have been noticing a decrease in lubrication and have had to use lubricants to keep things from being painful. The doc was so positive, and everybody I have spoken with that has done this has been enthusiastic about the results, so I am really hopeful.
January 22, 2016
Good luck. I have had itching that is really intense but most women dont seem to have this side effect. Lucky me! I noticed improvement after first treatment but will need more improvement before I can say this was a success.. Time will tell. I am having treatment number 3 on Feb 29.
January 22, 2016
Thank you for the updates. I am very interested in knowing how these procedures will improve women over 50. I would love to have this procedure done. It is a shame insurance doesn't cover such a needed procedure as this.
January 22, 2016
I believe ins will one day pay but tor now we just have to save our pennies and hope this works. There was a marked improvement in lubrication and I no longer pee when I sneeze so that was good. But atrophy at the opening is only slightly improved. I will reserve judgement until after tx #3
UPDATED FROM Cat lover
12 days post

The preview

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Ok so tonight we took the old girl for a spin! I can't say it was a grand re-opening but it was definitely a preview of things to come. We had entry. And it lasted a good 5 minutes before there was discomfort and the ol boy was afraid to hurt me. This was impossble prior to the 1st stage of the renovation! So I think there is something to this Mona Lisa. Both my husband and I are now really excited to see this to completion! In the past 3 to 4 years there was no way we could get this far without totally numbing her up! So yeah I am happy and excited that intimacy is re entering my marriage! Try it girls it does work!

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December 17, 2015
That is so awesome. And although we joke about it. This is overall a very serious condition. I had my first treatment at the Vital Health Institute in Los Gatos, ca. from Dr Castillo. I have to say they made me feel very comfortable talking and getting thru a very uncomfortable condition. He opened his schedule to see me even though it wasn't his regular office day, because I was bringing my daughter down for a post-op appointment from her endometriosis surgery. The procedure itself was a little uncomfortable but not painful. I had some burning on the drive home which was 3 hours. But nothing after that and I woke up this morning not even being able to tell I had anything done. I already don't have the usual daily burning that I feel 24/7 :) I am a little nervous about giving sex a try because it has been so long since we have had any success. Anticipating the pain has made me lose my desire and my husband is afraid of hurting me. I am going to give it a week maybe two and then light some candles, empty the house of distractions and set the mood. Theses blogs have really helped me in so many ways. Just knowing I am not alone is very comforting. I will keep you, posted and thanks for the advice and encouragement.
December 18, 2015
Thanks for sharing your experience. Start a blog if you have time so more women can find out about this! We are all different and I suspect our journeys will be different too. I had tons of itching but it sounds like you have none. Go figure!

Keep updating it is a journey. My doctor said it continues to work for the next 5 to 6 weeks that is why they do not do the treatments closer together. We had slight success with our first encounter. Even tho it was not like it use to be it was a sure positive sign that something is different!
December 17, 2015
Please keep us up-to-date on developments. I am so very hopeful that this new procedure is the cure-all!
I suffer from the same symptoms - I seem to be the only one of my girlfriends with severe symptoms. Just my luck. I'll try anything. Funny though, my gyno doesn't do Mona Lisa. She recommended estrogen patch which I did not like.
December 18, 2015
Go to the Mona Lisa Touch website for the USA and you can put in your zip code and find a doctor that does this procedure in your area. It is relatively new here in the USA even tho they have done it for years in Europe.
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December 18, 2015
Fantastic news! So pleased for you.
January 1, 2016
I anxiously await your next update. My main complaint is vaginal dryness/itching. You stated that the itching had stopped and I and I want to know if you had problems with itching before or only after the procedure.
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January 3, 2016
So how are things now? I am so wanting to do this! The dryness is so annoying!