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I went to have my brows done at a highly respected...
Kittens91July 28, 2016
I went to have my brows done at a highly respected artist. I thought that I had considered everything; I had read her reviews and seen the pictures and was determined that it would be OK. But it wasnt.
When I went, she barely listened and did not want to do the brows as I would like them. She told me that she always uses the golden ratio and thats the shape that will suit everyone. And that the customers were usually unhappy when she went with their way, but never when they listened to her.
I already had the time booked and had been looking forward to it, so I went with it and decided to trust her. I really wish I would have just listened to my gut, paid for the treatment and walked away.
The brows were too close together, too arched and too long. My face is long and narrow so this really gave me the "angry birds" look and not the soft look I was going for. The tattoo artist seemed very pleased with the result and I convinced myself that I was just shocked because of the dark color. This would fade, they told me.
But when I got home and really studied myself in the mirror, I was horrified. My soft, youthful expression was completely gone and I now have a permanently bitchy expression instead. On top of that, the brows are different shapes and it looks like I raise one eyebrow because it has been placed higher than the other. On the right brow, all of my natural hair has been plucked from the tail. On the other one, some of my natural hair is still there. So it is very obvious that she did them uneven and must have been aware of it. My friends and my boyfriend also noticed the assymetry.
When I decided to have the tattoo, I thought I would only get a soft color underneath my own brows, so it wouldnt be so bad if I did not want the tattoo anymore. But now I learnt that they always do the arch on top of your own. So my own hair will never be able to cover the tattoo if it doesnt disappear completely.
The next day I booked an appointment at another place to get the saline removal. It has been two weeks now and it looks like most of the color has vanished (thank god!!) except from on the arch of the right brow (damnit!). I had been told that the scab would only stay on for 5-7 days, so thats the amount of time I booked to be off work. When I had to get back to work after 8 days I pulled the rest of the scab off - very stupid, I know. Now I'm afraid I'll have a scar because one brow looks very red.
This has been an awful experience - I dont recommend it to anyone. Its your face and its a real tattoo. It cannot be easily removed and you might get scars on your face. Its not worth it!
Also, can anyone tell me about their experience with saline removal? How long before the redness disappears?
When I went, she barely listened and did not want to do the brows as I would like them. She told me that she always uses the golden ratio and thats the shape that will suit everyone. And that the customers were usually unhappy when she went with their way, but never when they listened to her.
I already had the time booked and had been looking forward to it, so I went with it and decided to trust her. I really wish I would have just listened to my gut, paid for the treatment and walked away.
The brows were too close together, too arched and too long. My face is long and narrow so this really gave me the "angry birds" look and not the soft look I was going for. The tattoo artist seemed very pleased with the result and I convinced myself that I was just shocked because of the dark color. This would fade, they told me.
But when I got home and really studied myself in the mirror, I was horrified. My soft, youthful expression was completely gone and I now have a permanently bitchy expression instead. On top of that, the brows are different shapes and it looks like I raise one eyebrow because it has been placed higher than the other. On the right brow, all of my natural hair has been plucked from the tail. On the other one, some of my natural hair is still there. So it is very obvious that she did them uneven and must have been aware of it. My friends and my boyfriend also noticed the assymetry.
When I decided to have the tattoo, I thought I would only get a soft color underneath my own brows, so it wouldnt be so bad if I did not want the tattoo anymore. But now I learnt that they always do the arch on top of your own. So my own hair will never be able to cover the tattoo if it doesnt disappear completely.
The next day I booked an appointment at another place to get the saline removal. It has been two weeks now and it looks like most of the color has vanished (thank god!!) except from on the arch of the right brow (damnit!). I had been told that the scab would only stay on for 5-7 days, so thats the amount of time I booked to be off work. When I had to get back to work after 8 days I pulled the rest of the scab off - very stupid, I know. Now I'm afraid I'll have a scar because one brow looks very red.
This has been an awful experience - I dont recommend it to anyone. Its your face and its a real tattoo. It cannot be easily removed and you might get scars on your face. Its not worth it!
Also, can anyone tell me about their experience with saline removal? How long before the redness disappears?
Replies (22)
August 14, 2016
I would go the laser route. They should respond well to the q switched lasers or picosure. I recently finished my last laser treatment with a q switched yag 1064 laser. My eyebrows were dark green...so much for these technicians learning about colour theory!! Ive not had one time where my brows have actually looked normal. However much research ive done when looking for a technician, they just dont know their craft.. While a few of them do many dont. A two day course and they think they can be let loose on peoples faces. So i will he learning the process myself and do them myself as i can no longer trust any of them after decadees of failures and laser treatments. Ive always gone to laser removal as they work. They worked with purple eyebrows, blue eyebrows, black eyebrows, and green eyebrows..ive had them all....laser removed them all. Good luck. I hope you can be rid of the nitemare. I know ive lived many nitemares. I wouldnt wish that on anyone....well..apart from the technicians..they need to walk a mile in my shoes to understand the impact it has on someones life when they mess up.
August 15, 2016
Dear Storm,
Do you think a laser will be effective for taupe colored tattooed brows as well? And have you ever heard of a type of laser called "Medlite" - and if it is effective. Thank you!
(Very pleased you had success with your laser treatments by the way!)
Do you think a laser will be effective for taupe colored tattooed brows as well? And have you ever heard of a type of laser called "Medlite" - and if it is effective. Thank you!
(Very pleased you had success with your laser treatments by the way!)
August 19, 2016
Thank you :) ive heard of the medlite. And the results do not appear to be as good as with the q sqitched yag or the ruby. Even the picosure laser has had mixed reviews. Q switched all the way. Tried and tested and excellent results. And yes, it should work on taupe colour too. Would always recommend a test patch first see how it reacts to the laser. Sometimes lighter colours can go dark when lasered, so if that happens it then take a few more sessions to get rid of. I would not use anything else for this kind of removal. If you can go to a clinic that has the q switched yag or ruby or alexandrite then go for it. Get a test patch done, and if no adverse effects, start on a low setting like i did. My Dr started on 4 with the yag..the yag does most colours and a little gentler on skin pigment than the ruby. With the ruby you can get a slight ghosing which is when the laser removes some of the melanin in the skin...its ok tho as it will come back..it will take six months to a year for the ghosting to go. Good luck and keep us posted how you get on ok? X
September 6, 2016
Thank you storm. This information is very helpful. Will let you know how things go for me. :)
August 15, 2016
Hi, I added an update. Its slow progress with the saline but looks like its working.
UPDATED FROM Kittens91
1 month post
1 month past saline removal
Kittens91August 15, 2016
So its been 1 month and I am hopeful. Redness is mostly gone on one brow and has faded some on the other. Some color has disappeared and it does not look like I have any scars so far. I'm having my second treatment on friday and after that I think I will try with laser. I think redness would be completely gone by 2 months.
Top pictures are the new ones. Bottom pics are a few weeks old.
Top pictures are the new ones. Bottom pics are a few weeks old.
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November 13, 2016
Why you don't put a pictures with both eyebrows that we can all see if they are symmetric or no ,because the eyebrows must to be symmetric to your eyes not your natural eyebrows? Do you have a pictures with both eyebrows? because all I can see is that you complain that they are not symmetric to your natural eyebrow but not to your eyes and face . Fifty percent of my customer come with univen natural eyebrows.
November 13, 2016
I also have customers that when they close the eyes the eyebrows are even and when they open one eyebrow is lifted more than other one . With the natural eyebrows especially if they are very light the difference is not show much but with the semipermanent makeup it will show more. When I have this kind of customers I always take pictures with the shape with eyes closed and eyes open. I always explain the customer that is something that is not in my power to change and I alway tell customer that if they want to not proceed with the permanent makeup I will not charge them anything. I prefer to have happy customers that angry one! I don't know what is in your case but somehow there was something wrong or in execution or in misinformation
November 13, 2016
Hi, I already uploaded a picture like that. It is in my Update from August - please see below.
November 13, 2016
I saw it , one eyebrows look higher then other one. Have you ever ask to one of your friend to look at your eyebroews when you close your eyes? Did you did the saline treatment? Did that worked?
November 13, 2016
I don't know how to put a pictures that you will understand what I am speaking about
November 13, 2016
Yes I also took pictures to see how they looked with closed eyes. But it still does not explain how she made them so uneven - because she made the drawings and the measurements both where my eyes were open, closed, when I was sitting and stranding. To make sure they were even from all angles. It does not make sense..
Yes I had two saline treatments - they removed most of the color but there is still some left. I will let them fade since the most visible part is still the redness from the removal. Once that is gone I will not need to cover them as much..
March 3, 2017
Hi how have your brows turned out after the saline removal? I'm looking at getting it done for mine but was unsure if laser is the better option. Thanks
April 14, 2017
I am wondering if some botox could have lowered / lifted an eyebrow to make them look symmetrical. I hated the high arch and angry birds look too. Eventually I asked a botox dr to lift the brows that point to the nose. It was a subtle difference as I did not want them to be higher than the wings. I also asked the artist to fill in under the high arch with more brows and add some high strokes to the brows that point to the nose, while working on fading the lower segments with retina a cream. They are now looking straighter and more flattering. I have only come to this point after I have become used to having thicker, darker brows and looking at fashion magazines and tv actors to see how common they are now. Keep friendly with your artist (unless they are really bad) and they will work with you to make changes. I love my brows now.
December 25, 2018
Thanks for sharing your removal journey. I too received horrible eyebrow tattooing and am researching the best removal method. Did you have any scarring from the saline removal? Did your saline removal person use a tattoo gun? Thank you.
UPDATED FROM Kittens91
1 month post
Just to show how uneven my brows are
Kittens91August 15, 2016
And this was done by one of the most respected artists.. Trust no one :(
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August 16, 2016
But if you said that she never listened to you why you stayed? Because the permanent makeup artist is suppose to draw your eyebrows first, make measurement for symmetry, and then show you how them look first so the permanent make up artist can start doing the brows with the ink.
Did you go back to that person, what that person says?
Did you go back to that person, what that person says?
August 16, 2016
She told me that her customers always had their own ideas but since she always use 'The Golden ratio" it always turns out great and will suit the face shape. She sounded like she knew what she was talking about so I ignored my gut feeling and trusted her :( she drew them on first but it was not visible to me that they were uneven at that point. She also made the measurements. That part took at least 30minutes so I have no idea what went wrong. I noticed she started to shave one brow in the middle of tattoing and that was a bit strange. Now I know she must have noticed that they didnt match at that point.
I wrote them and they only told me that I havent got the final result. Cant argue with that but I see no way that they would be able to make the brows match and look good at the same time - and the tattoo would be even harder to remove.
The clinic also makes you sign papers stating that you have the tattoo at your own risk and complaints are not possible. So I dont know what I would gain from going back there. :/
August 17, 2016
They told you to wait for final results? But the problem is not the ink color, is the asymmetric because from what I see in the picture that's the problem, I can't understand how if you already have hair she didn't go with the micro blading technique, which you only add or fill the space of hair missing. Camouflage would be another option to conceal some spot but that will be more likely if they wouldn't be so asymmetric.
The other option is laser but the laser will kill the hair follicles, so the hair won't grow back and then you might want to do again the permanent make up.
The other option is laser but the laser will kill the hair follicles, so the hair won't grow back and then you might want to do again the permanent make up.
September 25, 2016
Your removal seems to be coming along well -- can we have an update?
September 25, 2016
Theres only a little ink left, luckily! But I'm still very red. I dont think I'll have more saline treatments - I'm too afraid of scarring by now. I might have a laser treatment in a few months if the redness is gone by then.
September 25, 2016
You bet! And I can name another one in Tampa. What a mess. Going through laser treatments due to her folly.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope you find support in the community.