POSTED UNDER SMAS Facelift Reviews
Choosing Philip Guest As my Facelift Surgeon - the Biggest Mistake and Regret of my Life.
UPDATED FROM petaross
A word in favour of Mr Guest (regarding reimbursement, not surgery)
Since I wrote my review almost 6 months ago, I have received messages from women (in the UK, France and the USA) who have been victims of bad surgery from various, sometimes unnamed, surgeons.
A common theme is that the surgeon refuses to admit that he/she has done anything wrong, usually suggesting that the patient has "unrealistic expectations" (even though expected results have been discussed at consultation) and/or needs psychiatric help, presumably for some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.
This latter behaviour (where the surgeon tries to persuade the patient that they have a good result, and they are just being irrational) is particularly unforgivable. It is actually a well-known form of mental abuse known as "gaslighting" (definition: to manipulate someone by psychological means into doubting their own memory, perception and sanity).
I think this attitude is completely unacceptable, and it would make the victim's post-surgery ordeal much easier to deal with if the surgeon would just admit that the outcome is not satisfactory, and without insinuating that the patient is somehow to blame.
Also, they should offer refunds at the earliest opportunity (for all or at least part of the surgery costs), to enable the victim to seek revision surgery elsewhere, and remove that extra burden of worry (ie. that they have just wasted their life savings on bad surgery, and cannot afford a revision).
In addition, even those who succeed in obtaining some sort of refund are often (usually) only able to do so if they agree to keep quiet about it and not post negative reviews online.
So I would like to commend Philip Guest for both admitting that the result was unsatisfactory AND offering an unconditional refund, at 5 months post surgery. Because there was no non-disclosure condition I was able to write my honest review of my experience, thereby helping prospective patients make an informed decision, and enabling unhappy past patients to contact me and know that they were not the only ones (which is somehow comforting). He also did not imply that I had "unrealistic expectations" or body (face) dysmorphic disorder.
In this respect, I think he is unusual amongst surgeons, and it shows some integrity.
However, I stand by everything I said in my review and comments, and would never recommend him for cosmetic surgery, based on my experience.
I just wanted to make the point that I am grateful that he gave me a full refund without question. I did mention this in my original review, but subsequently hearing about others' experiences of trying to obtain reimbursement, I feel that Mr Guest deserves some respect for offering a prompt, non-conditional refund to me.
A common theme is that the surgeon refuses to admit that he/she has done anything wrong, usually suggesting that the patient has "unrealistic expectations" (even though expected results have been discussed at consultation) and/or needs psychiatric help, presumably for some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.
This latter behaviour (where the surgeon tries to persuade the patient that they have a good result, and they are just being irrational) is particularly unforgivable. It is actually a well-known form of mental abuse known as "gaslighting" (definition: to manipulate someone by psychological means into doubting their own memory, perception and sanity).
I think this attitude is completely unacceptable, and it would make the victim's post-surgery ordeal much easier to deal with if the surgeon would just admit that the outcome is not satisfactory, and without insinuating that the patient is somehow to blame.
Also, they should offer refunds at the earliest opportunity (for all or at least part of the surgery costs), to enable the victim to seek revision surgery elsewhere, and remove that extra burden of worry (ie. that they have just wasted their life savings on bad surgery, and cannot afford a revision).
In addition, even those who succeed in obtaining some sort of refund are often (usually) only able to do so if they agree to keep quiet about it and not post negative reviews online.
So I would like to commend Philip Guest for both admitting that the result was unsatisfactory AND offering an unconditional refund, at 5 months post surgery. Because there was no non-disclosure condition I was able to write my honest review of my experience, thereby helping prospective patients make an informed decision, and enabling unhappy past patients to contact me and know that they were not the only ones (which is somehow comforting). He also did not imply that I had "unrealistic expectations" or body (face) dysmorphic disorder.
In this respect, I think he is unusual amongst surgeons, and it shows some integrity.
However, I stand by everything I said in my review and comments, and would never recommend him for cosmetic surgery, based on my experience.
I just wanted to make the point that I am grateful that he gave me a full refund without question. I did mention this in my original review, but subsequently hearing about others' experiences of trying to obtain reimbursement, I feel that Mr Guest deserves some respect for offering a prompt, non-conditional refund to me.
UPDATED FROM petaross
Incisions, stitches and staples - a comparison
There's another thread on the forum here on realself - a discussion comparing UK facelift surgeons:
https://www.realself.com/forum/surgeon-face-necklift-uk#comment-3795778
I commented on it and thought I'd copy and paste my comment here, as it's relevant to my review, and may be helpful for prospective patients:
"Having been the recipient of 2 facelifts within a year (I only wanted the one, but it didn't work out that way!) by 2 different UK specialist facial surgeons, I am in the unenviable position of being able to do a direct comparison. I can only compare the two, but there is no comparison - Dominic is in a different league, for all the reasons that BieneMaya has explained so well.
If we're just talking stitches, then my primary surgeon (Philip Guest, a supposedly top maxillofacial and cosmetic facial surgeon) left me with hideous scars from his techniques. The incisions were badly positioned and closed under tension (causing pain and stretched scars) with crude stitches and a lot of staples.
Instead of the careful incisions along the temple hairline (Dominic's superior but time-consuming technique), Philip Guest made incisions within my temple hair, which resulted in a permanently raised hairline (loss of sideburns). He then STAPLED the incisions, under tension, so that I now also have a hairless stripe within (what's left of) my temple hair.
I lost part of my tragus, and he did something weird when he reattached my lobes.
Behind the ear, the incisions were nowhere near the crease, and, halfway-up, they changed direction and went horizontally across bare skin into my hairline, and again were mainly closed with staples. Again, under tension, so the scars stretched and left visible staple marks. My posterior lower hairline was also permanently distorted.
He ruined my upper eyelids with visible scarring from crude stitches.
Dominic revised/removed/repositioned as much of this disfiguring scarring as possible when he revised my face and neck lift. Being half-awake during the procedure, I was aware of the time and care that Dominic was taking over the stitching (no stapling), and the difference was incredible. It was a work of art - neat, precise, tiny stitches, and no pain/stretching/burning during the healing process.
Dominic understands women (and men of course), and recognises that we want imperceptible scars as far as possible (as should all aesthetic practitioners). Philip Guest's attitude was that scarring was inevitable, so why even bother to minimise it? He offers scar revisions as a solution, but I'm not sure they are particularly successful from what I have heard from some of his patients. Here's a novel thought: why not just take the time and care to do a proper job in the first place (as Dominic does)?"
I'd also like to add that I didn't lose a single hair follicle under Dominic's care and skill (thanks to the position and angle of the trichophytic incisions and closures) - I couldn't afford to lose any more after the hair loss that resulted from Mr Guest's surgery.
https://www.realself.com/forum/surgeon-face-necklift-uk#comment-3795778
I commented on it and thought I'd copy and paste my comment here, as it's relevant to my review, and may be helpful for prospective patients:
"Having been the recipient of 2 facelifts within a year (I only wanted the one, but it didn't work out that way!) by 2 different UK specialist facial surgeons, I am in the unenviable position of being able to do a direct comparison. I can only compare the two, but there is no comparison - Dominic is in a different league, for all the reasons that BieneMaya has explained so well.
If we're just talking stitches, then my primary surgeon (Philip Guest, a supposedly top maxillofacial and cosmetic facial surgeon) left me with hideous scars from his techniques. The incisions were badly positioned and closed under tension (causing pain and stretched scars) with crude stitches and a lot of staples.
Instead of the careful incisions along the temple hairline (Dominic's superior but time-consuming technique), Philip Guest made incisions within my temple hair, which resulted in a permanently raised hairline (loss of sideburns). He then STAPLED the incisions, under tension, so that I now also have a hairless stripe within (what's left of) my temple hair.
I lost part of my tragus, and he did something weird when he reattached my lobes.
Behind the ear, the incisions were nowhere near the crease, and, halfway-up, they changed direction and went horizontally across bare skin into my hairline, and again were mainly closed with staples. Again, under tension, so the scars stretched and left visible staple marks. My posterior lower hairline was also permanently distorted.
He ruined my upper eyelids with visible scarring from crude stitches.
Dominic revised/removed/repositioned as much of this disfiguring scarring as possible when he revised my face and neck lift. Being half-awake during the procedure, I was aware of the time and care that Dominic was taking over the stitching (no stapling), and the difference was incredible. It was a work of art - neat, precise, tiny stitches, and no pain/stretching/burning during the healing process.
Dominic understands women (and men of course), and recognises that we want imperceptible scars as far as possible (as should all aesthetic practitioners). Philip Guest's attitude was that scarring was inevitable, so why even bother to minimise it? He offers scar revisions as a solution, but I'm not sure they are particularly successful from what I have heard from some of his patients. Here's a novel thought: why not just take the time and care to do a proper job in the first place (as Dominic does)?"
I'd also like to add that I didn't lose a single hair follicle under Dominic's care and skill (thanks to the position and angle of the trichophytic incisions and closures) - I couldn't afford to lose any more after the hair loss that resulted from Mr Guest's surgery.
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Hi Petaross. Hope your are recovering and that all is going well with your revision with Dominic. We are all thinking of you as you knowXxxxx
I too am seeing Dominic in May. An expensive lesson.
I'm so sorry for what you have gone through. I can relate to your feelings from bad plastic surgery. I hope your revision can correct the mistakes made from dr guest. Please keep us updated - I'm hoping your revision will give me courage to have a revision. Thank you.
wow, this was incredible and painful to read. Thank you so very very much for going through that for all of us (i actually had an appointment booked with PGuest and about to cancel it). I will instead try to look for more infos on Dominic Bray. Is he choice number 1? Do you have any pictures at all ? I am very scared the scars will be terrible. And i suffer from hereditary alopecia, hence i already do not have tons of hair. Again, thank you :)
Dr Guest is showing as a dentist?
No he practices at Spire in Bristol
What is Dominic's surname please? I had a procedure with Mr Guest (a lower face lift) and first of all the results were great. But within a year, my face was slipping and after 24 months needed another lift. I also had my eye lids done and he had to do 2 revisions before I was happy with the result (which he did Free of Charge).
UPDATED FROM petaross
Philip Guest's own Forum - a warning
On Mr Guest's company website, there is a forum for patients, and it states "We do not edit or alter the content of the Forum or delete any adverse comments - you have our word on that".
Well, I recently posted a couple of comments, in response to other patients' questions, and they have been deleted ("This post has been removed following the advice of our legal advisors").
So much for his word!
Despite the promise, I had a feeling that my "adverse" comments (in fact, genuine descriptions of my treatment and outcome) would be deleted, so I took screen shots of them before they disappeared. There is nothing in the deleted posts that warrants them being removed by legal advisors, and I am happy to upload the screenshots here if any realself users would like to see them.
Thank goodness for realself - a genuinely open and transparent forum where good and bad (equally important for prospective patients) reviews and comments can be freely posted.
Well, I recently posted a couple of comments, in response to other patients' questions, and they have been deleted ("This post has been removed following the advice of our legal advisors").
So much for his word!
Despite the promise, I had a feeling that my "adverse" comments (in fact, genuine descriptions of my treatment and outcome) would be deleted, so I took screen shots of them before they disappeared. There is nothing in the deleted posts that warrants them being removed by legal advisors, and I am happy to upload the screenshots here if any realself users would like to see them.
Thank goodness for realself - a genuinely open and transparent forum where good and bad (equally important for prospective patients) reviews and comments can be freely posted.
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How is your revision face lift?
What a complete fraud, trying to cover up even now and should really retire from undertaking any further surgery. I hope with all my heart that your revision will be a complete success and that you can get your life back on track. There but the grace of God springs to mind for all of us who never booked him. Xx
Legal advisors are not interested in right and wrong., they are only interested in winning a case. There are legal advisors for murderers.Legal advisors for butchers!Legal advisors for illegal advisors. LOL
Bluff. The law does not penalise people for speaking the truth, especially information to help protect the public. (as long as it is not slander)
Whow so disappointed for you. I to did my homework and ended up with mr guest doing my surgery a full face lift and neck lift. I had my surgery August 2014 and could not be happier. I also recommended someone a couple of months ago , but since reading these write ups have told her to try elsewhere. I'm glad you have been able to get sorted elsewhere. Stay strong and positive


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Will keep you posted about the bleph - I've been given a lot to think about by the surgeon I saw, with different options to consider. Revisions are complicated, with the added fear of making things worse, so i need to proceed carefully [RS bleep]