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Choosing Philip Guest As my Facelift Surgeon - the Biggest Mistake and Regret of my Life.

UPDATED FROM petaross

A word in favour of Mr Guest (regarding reimbursement, not surgery)

Since I wrote my review almost 6 months ago, I have received messages from women (in the UK, France and the USA) who have been victims of bad surgery from various, sometimes unnamed, surgeons.

A common theme is that the surgeon refuses to admit that he/she has done anything wrong, usually suggesting that the patient has "unrealistic expectations" (even though expected results have been discussed at consultation) and/or needs psychiatric help, presumably for some kind of body dysmorphic disorder.
This latter behaviour (where the surgeon tries to persuade the patient that they have a good result, and they are just being irrational) is particularly unforgivable. It is actually a well-known form of mental abuse known as "gaslighting" (definition: to manipulate someone by psychological means into doubting their own memory, perception and sanity).
I think this attitude is completely unacceptable, and it would make the victim's post-surgery ordeal much easier to deal with if the surgeon would just admit that the outcome is not satisfactory, and without insinuating that the patient is somehow to blame.

Also, they should offer refunds at the earliest opportunity (for all or at least part of the surgery costs), to enable the victim to seek revision surgery elsewhere, and remove that extra burden of worry (ie. that they have just wasted their life savings on bad surgery, and cannot afford a revision).

In addition, even those who succeed in obtaining some sort of refund are often (usually) only able to do so if they agree to keep quiet about it and not post negative reviews online.

So I would like to commend Philip Guest for both admitting that the result was unsatisfactory AND offering an unconditional refund, at 5 months post surgery. Because there was no non-disclosure condition I was able to write my honest review of my experience, thereby helping prospective patients make an informed decision, and enabling unhappy past patients to contact me and know that they were not the only ones (which is somehow comforting). He also did not imply that I had "unrealistic expectations" or body (face) dysmorphic disorder.

In this respect, I think he is unusual amongst surgeons, and it shows some integrity.

However, I stand by everything I said in my review and comments, and would never recommend him for cosmetic surgery, based on my experience.
I just wanted to make the point that I am grateful that he gave me a full refund without question. I did mention this in my original review, but subsequently hearing about others' experiences of trying to obtain reimbursement, I feel that Mr Guest deserves some respect for offering a prompt, non-conditional refund to me.

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Philip Guest, MBBS, MBChB, FRCS

Philip Guest, MBBS, MBChB, FRCS

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I did my research, and believed I was in safe, capable hands – Philip Guest is a UK “board-certified” NHS Consultant Maxillofacial Surgeon with over 20 years experience in facial cosmetic surgery, and has “an international reputation as an expert in aesthetic and facial cosmetic surgery”, according to his website. I cannot understand how this is possible, as my experience and outcome was so far removed from what these credentials should deliver. I am still incredulous that someone of such standing can perform so badly. He has changed my perception of the medical profession for the worse, and made me super-sceptical and wary of surgeons (with the exception of the London surgeon who has recently performed by revision facelift). In my opinion, Mr Guest should not be practising aesthetic surgery. I hope he is a better maxillofacial surgeon than he is a cosmetic surgeon, and that he treats his NHS patients with more care and skill than with which he treated me. In my case, the surgery was perfunctory, the outcome was appalling, and the aftercare was non-existent. The only positive comment I can give is that he refunded the full cost of my surgery (almost £10,000) without question when he saw my results at 5 months (the first time I'd been granted access to him since I'd had my stitches removed at 12-days post-op). Even he seemed dumbstruck (but not apologetic or concerned) at what he had done to me. My advice? Avoid him like the plague. He is keeping other surgeons busy with revisions of his work.

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You sound a very moral person & I'm so sorry you went through such a nightmare. I'm happy you found Dominic Bray (he does rather sound like the best S.england has to offer from reports on this site - I'm no relation!) Inexplicable how you were treated by first surgeon. Absolutely gobsmacked & horrified. Thank you for posting & warning us out here. I wish you all the best going forward
Thanks Eyebaglady. I assume from your username that you are looking into blepharoplasty? Revision upper bleph is next on my list, and I have just had a consultation with an oculoplastic surgeon in London, who spent 45 minutes analysing and discussing my eyes, taking measurements, putting drops in for ptosis evaluation etc. I would just like to say that I think it is advisable to see an oculoplastic surgeon for blepharoplasty, at least for a consultation, just in case there is more to your eye concerns than meets the eye (!) x
Hi Petaross. It is so generous and kind hearted of you to post your remarks advising your surgeon has reimbursed you without any conditions. Surgery is such a scary journey to undertake for all of us, and when it goes wrong, it is devastating, and you have had such a dreadful year or so, so all the more kind spirited of you to give a bit of credit to him for not making a dreadful situation even more drawn out for you. I hope at this stage you have had a successful revision and that your life is back on track. Xxxxx
Hi facefund - nice to hear from you again, and I hope you are well. I suppose I just felt a bit sorry for Philip Guest as my review unleashed a torrent of negative comments about him. I don't think he's a bad person, but I do think that he should retire from cosmetic surgery and stop ruining (some) women's lives. Although I don't think I will ever fully get over what he did to me, his prompt refund did enable me to start moving on, which is something other surgeons should consider xx
Hi Petaross. Glad you are moving on and wish you all the best for your revision blep. Hope it all goes well and surgery will be a success. Remember my offer still stands if you are in my area! Xxxxx M.
Thanks facefund - I've not forgotten your kind offer, and if I find myself up your way I would love to pop in for a cup of tea and to play with your cat!
Will keep you posted about the bleph - I've been given a lot to think about by the surgeon I saw, with different options to consider. Revisions are complicated, with the added fear of making things worse, so i need to proceed carefully [RS bleep]
Hello and I am so very sorry you went through this. Is it getting better now? Your comment about the "old boy" network hit a chord. I had beautiful breast implants in London but they contracted. I live in the USA and after a scar revision by a prominent plastic surgeon (I had emergency semi-colectomy) he persuaded me to change my implants. The result was that one breast swelled to double the size of the other, but he was not concerned. Anyway, it ended up by resulting in symmatia, which he denied. So I did extensive research and went to a plastic surgeon (Professor of Plastic Surgery at Georgetown University) who wrote a lot of papers on symmastia repair. Well let me tell you, this guy had an entourage and was followed around by a load of sycophants who called him sir. On the day of the surgery, his "fellow" (chief resident) said he would be doing the operation with Dr Spear present. I was terrified. The result was botched breast which were the ugliest I had ever seen. No surgeon in DC would touch me because as soon as they learned that Dr Spear had performed the operation they urged me to go back to him. I finally found a young surgeon in Baltimore who had never heard of Dr Spear and said he could fix it...and he did thank goodness. I understand so well about your PTSD. I am out thousands of dollars and feel so guilty for spending our money like this. Anyway, I do hope things have improved for you. Those good old boys make me feel so mad!
Gosh you are gracious! I don't think I would be. Not only was his work of a very low standard, their patient care and overall attitude is quite disgusting. Thank you for sharing your harrowing and stressful experience. Xx
My God, I just read your ordeal and it is everyone's nightmare. So sorry you had to go through all of that but the biggest heroes on this site are the people like you, already in anguish, yet thinking about others out there who may unknowingly go to your plastic surgeon. Word of mouth hardly suffices in this world since so many clients of procedures want privacy in their choices and rarely reveal even to family or friends that they had plastic surgery. Your generosity at presenting your awful experience is going to help a lot of people avoid your anguish. Thank you so much for information and cautionary tale. Good luck with the future and I pray that it all goes well for you in the future.
UPDATED FROM petaross

Incisions, stitches and staples - a comparison

There's another thread on the forum here on realself - a discussion comparing UK facelift surgeons:
https://www.realself.com/forum/surgeon-face-necklift-uk#comment-3795778
I commented on it and thought I'd copy and paste my comment here, as it's relevant to my review, and may be helpful for prospective patients:
"Having been the recipient of 2 facelifts within a year (I only wanted the one, but it didn't work out that way!) by 2 different UK specialist facial surgeons, I am in the unenviable position of being able to do a direct comparison. I can only compare the two, but there is no comparison - Dominic is in a different league, for all the reasons that BieneMaya has explained so well.
If we're just talking stitches, then my primary surgeon (Philip Guest, a supposedly top maxillofacial and cosmetic facial surgeon) left me with hideous scars from his techniques. The incisions were badly positioned and closed under tension (causing pain and stretched scars) with crude stitches and a lot of staples.
Instead of the careful incisions along the temple hairline (Dominic's superior but time-consuming technique), Philip Guest made incisions within my temple hair, which resulted in a permanently raised hairline (loss of sideburns). He then STAPLED the incisions, under tension, so that I now also have a hairless stripe within (what's left of) my temple hair.
I lost part of my tragus, and he did something weird when he reattached my lobes.
Behind the ear, the incisions were nowhere near the crease, and, halfway-up, they changed direction and went horizontally across bare skin into my hairline, and again were mainly closed with staples. Again, under tension, so the scars stretched and left visible staple marks. My posterior lower hairline was also permanently distorted.
He ruined my upper eyelids with visible scarring from crude stitches.
Dominic revised/removed/repositioned as much of this disfiguring scarring as possible when he revised my face and neck lift. Being half-awake during the procedure, I was aware of the time and care that Dominic was taking over the stitching (no stapling), and the difference was incredible. It was a work of art - neat, precise, tiny stitches, and no pain/stretching/burning during the healing process.
Dominic understands women (and men of course), and recognises that we want imperceptible scars as far as possible (as should all aesthetic practitioners). Philip Guest's attitude was that scarring was inevitable, so why even bother to minimise it? He offers scar revisions as a solution, but I'm not sure they are particularly successful from what I have heard from some of his patients. Here's a novel thought: why not just take the time and care to do a proper job in the first place (as Dominic does)?"
I'd also like to add that I didn't lose a single hair follicle under Dominic's care and skill (thanks to the position and angle of the trichophytic incisions and closures) - I couldn't afford to lose any more after the hair loss that resulted from Mr Guest's surgery.

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Hi Petaross. Hope your are recovering and that all is going well with your revision with Dominic. We are all thinking of you as you knowXxxxx
I too am seeing Dominic in May. An expensive lesson.
I'm so sorry for what you have gone through. I can relate to your feelings from bad plastic surgery. I hope your revision can correct the mistakes made from dr guest. Please keep us updated - I'm hoping your revision will give me courage to have a revision. Thank you.
wow, this was incredible and painful to read. Thank you so very very much for going through that for all of us (i actually had an appointment booked with PGuest and about to cancel it). I will instead try to look for more infos on Dominic Bray. Is he choice number 1? Do you have any pictures at all ? I am very scared the scars will be terrible. And i suffer from hereditary alopecia, hence i already do not have tons of hair. Again, thank you :)
Dr Guest is showing as a dentist?
No he practices at Spire in Bristol
What is Dominic's surname please? I had a procedure with Mr Guest (a lower face lift) and first of all the results were great. But within a year, my face was slipping and after 24 months needed another lift. I also had my eye lids done and he had to do 2 revisions before I was happy with the result (which he did Free of Charge).
UPDATED FROM petaross

Philip Guest's own Forum - a warning

On Mr Guest's company website, there is a forum for patients, and it states "We do not edit or alter the content of the Forum or delete any adverse comments - you have our word on that".
Well, I recently posted a couple of comments, in response to other patients' questions, and they have been deleted ("This post has been removed following the advice of our legal advisors").
So much for his word!
Despite the promise, I had a feeling that my "adverse" comments (in fact, genuine descriptions of my treatment and outcome) would be deleted, so I took screen shots of them before they disappeared. There is nothing in the deleted posts that warrants them being removed by legal advisors, and I am happy to upload the screenshots here if any realself users would like to see them.
Thank goodness for realself - a genuinely open and transparent forum where good and bad (equally important for prospective patients) reviews and comments can be freely posted.

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How is your revision face lift?
What a complete fraud, trying to cover up even now and should really retire from undertaking any further surgery. I hope with all my heart that your revision will be a complete success and that you can get your life back on track. There but the grace of God springs to mind for all of us who never booked him. Xx
Legal advisors are not interested in right and wrong., they are only interested in winning a case. There are legal advisors for murderers.Legal advisors for butchers!Legal advisors for illegal advisors. LOL
Bluff. The law does not penalise people for speaking the truth, especially information to help protect the public. (as long as it is not slander)
Whow so disappointed for you. I to did my homework and ended up with mr guest doing my surgery a full face lift and neck lift. I had my surgery August 2014 and could not be happier. I also recommended someone a couple of months ago , but since reading these write ups have told her to try elsewhere. I'm glad you have been able to get sorted elsewhere. Stay strong and positive