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Full Arm Tattoo, Major Regret, Now What to Do...? - Box Hill, Australia

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So after many years of thought and debate I...

Lumiera
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So after many years of thought and debate I decided to get a water-colour arm tattoo. I wouldn't say it was a hasty decision, but I should have spent some more time with the design... That's neither here nor there now. Fact is, it's not me, I don't like it, and I need it gone. I've found this website so helpful in the past week since I've had the tattoo that I thought I should contribute.

I guess some things are just not meant to be and this is one of them. I've been researching in my depressed state, as I don't really feel I can do anything else, and have booked a consultation with a facility tomorrow. They have pico as well as all other lasers, and are very reputable within Australia. I'm dreading the cost per sessions, but again, the price you have to be for mistakes...

Admittedly I have been in a hole the past three to four days, can barely eat, sleep, concentrate, anything... It's amazing what some ink under your skin can do. But I guess it's not cancer, and I'm not dying. I imagine that if someone had a terminal illness and they could simply though a lot of money at it to make it go away, they would without question. So I'm using that as my motivation...

I guess the one blessing I do have is that my tattoo is a watercolour tattoo, meaning that most of the inks are pretty light to begin with and are applied in a bit more of a wash than buried into the skin in a traditional style of tattoo. I hope that helps in some way. The other benefit is I have minimal red, and it's contained to a couple of small areas. Again, I hope this can help in the overall process...

So, here's we go, on this journey. I will document my case in as much detail as possible, but for now it'll be about a 4 week wait for my first treatment as the work is only two weeks old at a the moment.

I've posted a picture for you to see, this is obviously only two weeks old and with zero treatments at all... Happy to hear your thoughts, and would love a bit of moral support if you can spare some.

Thanks so much.

Lumiera's provider

Phillip Bekhor, MBBS, FACD

Phillip Bekhor, MBBS, FACD

Specialist Dermatologist

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October 31, 2014
If it's any consolation, as someone who normally hates tattoos, I think this work is very beautiful. I wish you luck in your laser journey. I don't know if it's any help, but as a woman who has had laser treatments, I used an anaesthetic cream that numbed the sensitive areas. This meant I could withstand the treatments better. All the best
October 31, 2014
Thank you Nicola, that's a very lovely thing to say... I'm so in two minds at the moment. Had my consultation today with one of Australia's most reputable clinics. They were very lovely, and quite helpful. You know what the lady said when I showed her my tattoo "wow, that is one of the most beautiful tattoos I've ever seen"... When I first saw it, I thought the same!! I don't know if maybe I'm just still getting used to it, I don't know if it's just the angle I see it on, I don't know if it's just because it's unusual, but it seems a little silly to me? The irony is, I wanted unusual, I wanted unique, and it speaks to me on so many levels! I've decided to give myself a bit of time with it. My tattoo isn't going anywhere, the lasers aren't going anywhere... And once I start down the laser journey in going to have plenty of time to be in it... For now I will document my emotional journey in hope that I may be able to help someone riding the same emotional roller coaster as I am...
October 31, 2014
That IS one if the most beautiful tattoos I've ever seen. Please take some time with it and be gentle to yourself. My tattoos are small in comparison and I'd swap you any day!
October 31, 2014
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words LJ. You don't know how much of a difference that makes to me. It really does help. I hope you're doing well with your journey, and please feel free to chat anytime you like...
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November 1, 2014
Dear Lumiera, Yes, it is very beautiful. If the laser process is always there, you are right in saying that you may always be able to have it removed. Medical science gets more advanced daily. I am an artist, and as an artist I look for more than shape or colour. I look for mood and story. This is what I see in your tattoo. I hope you will come to be as fascinated by the mood and story as I am in your body art. All the best
November 1, 2014
I actually keep coming back to look at it. Maybe getting ideas for a cover up of my tattoo instead! It truly is so beautiful and you should be proud of it.
November 1, 2014
Thank you Niccola... I was topped by a gentleman in the street today, had to be in his 50's who took the time to admire and compliment me on the originality and uniqueness of the piece. Again, something I often overlook as I tend to mistake it as being a big mess of scribble. I guess as with anything, its about perception, and I am starting to perceive my tattoo as more than just scribble... its starting to become part of my story...
November 1, 2014
Thank you again Lj... I find it very comforting that you can find some solace in the piece also. I admit that I am finding more beauty in it each day. I still struggle, but I thin thats just part of the process.
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November 1, 2014
Niccola, what a wonderfully supportive comment, I couldn't agree more - his tattoo is very beautiful. I would love if you would share a review about your experience with tattoo removal, here is a link to get you started when you have some time. 
October 31, 2014
i'm exactly where you are right now. got my tatt 5 days ago and pretty much as soon as i got home i was like wtf did i do? problem was, it wasn't a spontaneous decision, it wasn't a poor design (i did it myself in memory of my dad) yet i looked at it and instantly decided i couldn't deal, don't know whether its the size, location or just me. had a couple of days of the worst feeling i've felt, non stop research trying to get out of this mess, emailed a laser specialist for a quote on removal and found this site that definately put me at ease. now i've decided to wait until the new year for consultations (poor uni student lol) since the tech i emailed wouldn't treat it until it was 6 weeks healed anyways. everyone i've tried to talk to has said to me 'but you designed it, you wanted to get it done'... but i didnt know i didn't want it until i had it. some things you don't know until you try i guess. good luck with everything, always good to find a fellow aussie around :)
October 31, 2014
People have said the same things to me... do you have any pictures of your tattoo? Im going to give mine a bit of time, you should do the same... Im finding things are changing, you may do also. I wish you all the very bets of luck. Feel free to chat anytime you like...
November 4, 2014
Nice piece though! The Picosure will NOT get rid of red ink, but does well with blue and green inks. I have used the YAG laser on my black tattoos, and the removal came out really really well with almost no telling I had a tattoo there… I still have to get a few more tattoos removed so I, too am looking into the Picosure, but for black ink. Knowing me I'm just going to stick with the old-fashioned YAG laser, because I know that one works for sure. But it's funny because I'm only getting certain tattoos removed and I'm still getting more tattos done while I'm researching new laser removals, such as the Picosure LOL. I love my new artwork but for some of my old stuff I don't know what I was thinking LOL. Well good luck to you
November 4, 2014
Hi Lisa, thanks for you positive vibes. Do you have any photos of your end results. I'm sure we'd all be very keen to see your outcome!
November 12, 2014
i know how you feel, i have tattoo regret as well but i have to say i love yours and i wouldnt change a thing! why do they always look better on someone else??????!!
November 12, 2014
It's a beautiful tattoo! But I know exactly how you feel Im covered in "beautiful" tattoos but can not stand the sight of them being on me. I'm 10 months in on my extremely long journey of having 7 tattoos removed, 4 of which are extremely large, detailed and coloured. im currently getting q-switch treatments at image by laser in brisbane and to be honest I'm actually quite amazed at how it's gone so far. Just remember your not alone and that its a mistake that fortunately in this day and age can be removed. Best of luck!
UPDATED FROM Lumiera

Todays mental journey...

Lumiera
Today was a very funny day, I woke up this morning in partial light and looked down at my forearm (the part I like the least) and due to its colour, I couldn't see anything. For a moment, I thought it was a dream... then of course I realised it wasn't... but I felt warm knowing that I had my laser consultation in about two hours, I felt hope....
So I went to the clinic, which is operated by one of the best dermatologists in Australia, Dr Bekhor. The Nurse that I saw, Anne, was avery lovely lady, made me feel at home and very safe. Im sure they know how scary this can be for us!! Anyway, she asked me to show her my arm, I did... as I lifted up my sleeve, she said "oh my, thats beautiful, I really like it"... she actually said this more than once during the consultation, but more on that later.
Dr Bekhors clinic has 12 lasers in total, for just about anything. They use three different types for tattoos, The Pico, The YAG, and another, these guys are straight out pro's and you can tell every step of the way. I advised that it was really the forearm that I wanted gone, and again Anne said "really, but thats the best bit".. haha, oh the irony!! She advised that this would be quick and easy due to the nature of the blue and green, and the effectiveness of the Pico on such colours, and we'd see it about 90% gone in three or four visits.... We discussed the rest of the arm and she advised that we'd need some YAG, and some Pico for the whole thing... but being realistic, we'd be working on that for at least a year... fair enough. Now Im a fully grown man right, but at this moment, I shed a tear, and just said to this woman "thank you... thanks you for being some helpful, so nice, and so accommodating, I really needed that right now"... she truly was a lovely human being.
Summing up Id be looking at about 500 per session for the forearm with Pico, and on the upper arm there'd be about 500 Pico and 270 YAG... My research led me to think Id be up for about 1200 - 1500 per arm, and considering this is one of the best places going around, I thought it was very fair.
At this point I was done, jumped in my car and drove to work... heres when things stated to change.
I had a meeting this afternoon with one of my suppliers, who has one or two tattoos. Ive not seen him in a while so he noticed my tatt poking out of my shirt sleeve. Im like, "urrrgh, I don't wanna do this right now", but he was like, "show me, show me..." I lifted my short sleeve and he was like "holy s**t man, that thing is bitchin', its bloody amazing, Iove it"... It actually warmed me up inside and lifted my fog a little more... I of course wrestled with a little more up and down through the day, but I felt lighter overall.
When I got home this evening, I had to go and get dinner... you know what I did? I put on a singlet!! now I haven't worn a singlet since I got the thing, and was only just yesterday thinking about how many more long sleeve shirts I'm going to need for the next year of treatment!! Guess what happened when I went out in a singlet!? No one vomited, no one died, no one arrested me... I saw my tatt in some windows from a distance and I actually thought, "hey, thats actually pretty cool"???
So whats going on here???
Ive been thinking a few things... One is definitely, how your tattoo looks in a mirror up close, when started at for 8 minutes straight, is not how it looks to everyone else in the world. Another thing thats been running through my head is the possibility of an almost "body dismorphia" going on in our minds... How we are seeing ourselves with these tattoos is not how we thought we'd look, but its how we were always going to look, and its exactly how we look to everyone else... Its no different than a skinny person looking in the mirror and thinking they're overweight, and obsessing over it daily... Everyone else in the world tells them they're fine and everything looks fine, they do not, and will not see it until they're mind is right. When they realise they're beautiful, they become beautiful...
Maybe its a bit of parallel to postpartum depression... A mother loves the idea of a baby, she loves it growing inside her, she loves preparing for it, she loves the thoughts of what going to happen, she dreams of how things will when the baby comes. the the baby comes, and her whole world falls apart, she hates it, she wants it gone, shed give it bad if she could... but you know what, she can't. She realises she needs help, and she needs to adjust, she adjusts, she learns that this change is the way things are now, and eventually, she loves that baby like nothing else and could never imagine her life without it.
We are all naturally afraid of change, I know I am, I have always feared dramatic change, and have basically fallen apart whenever anything in my life has changed out of my control. But you know what, you adjust, and you get used it , and you soon never even remember what was different... Theres definitely some of that going on with us... We have changed ourselves, so dramatically in some cases and the thing thats different, is this change is our doing!! So we obsess, we beat ourself up, we drive ourselves insane, because in 90% of cases change is thrown upon us, and we pride ourselves on being able to overcome it. In this instance, we have made the change ourselves, so we hate ourselves for it... This is not necessary! I am only now seeing that this change to myself, that I chose, needs to be adapted to, and overcome, exactly as any other!! Panic is what drives us to rush for the fix, that may or may not be necessary given it the time...
The final thing that Ive been thinking of is the very nature of tattoos and they're origin. Tattoos were never a thing of beauty, they were never to be admired, you know what they were for?? to signify change!! They were a sign of men entering manhood, leaving behind an old self, and being reminded daily that they were now something else, something different... and none of these people got to walk into a parlour and choose their tattoos, they were tribal, instinctive, and they were forever!! Of course today we are gifted with the ability to choose some great art, and to have it signify some really important things to ourselves... but have we put too much stock in that? I mean, we say things like "its just not me"... of course its not you, it was never going to be you, it was going to be a picture of something made of ink under your skin! A tattoo will never be any more you than a hand bad or a pair of shoes, the difference, and the test is simple, we can't through these tattoos away as easily as a hand bag or a pair of shoes...
Today, like anything we don't commit to things, we live in a disposable society, we don't like our phone, we get a new one, we don't like our job, we get a new one, we don't like our spouse, we get a new one... we don't like out Tatt, WE MUST GET IT REMOVED!! No, you don't, it may change you, it may become your inspiration to drive forward, it may become the thing you look back on and love in a few years as they thing that made you shift your thinking to a whole new level... and you know what... it might not... and you know what else? The lasers will still be there!! there may even be better lasers!!
So right now Im saying this... yes, I know Im going to have more bad days, I don't doubt it, and I know that I may and can one day, even tomorrow, walk into a clinic and get my tattoo lasered. Yes it will take time, yes it will cost money, and no it may never be gone all together... But for today Im going to love me like I did yesterday, and Im going to give my tattoo a chance to become a part of me... if it doesn't, then I'll start my work. Of course this is not for everyone, of course some people hate their tattoo, they know they hate it, they've hated if for years, and they always will..
Natually this doesn't apply to those people... this is for those of us that are in the "tattoo honeymoon hangover", as I am...
I know all of this is really off topic, but I see such a strong community here, and I see so many people feeling how I have been feeling, so I just want to share for now, my mental joinery, at least until my laser journey starts... In the simple hope that I may be able to make someone relax for a moment, breathe, and realise, its all going to be ok, one way or another. Give it some time...
Much love to everyone.

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October 31, 2014
This may just be the most helpful thing I've read here. Thank you for your depth, insight and clarity.
November 1, 2014
I'm so glad to know that I may have helped... It is the very least I can do.
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October 6, 2016
Why don't you rather get another tattoo on top of this than removing and getting scarred?
November 1, 2014
That's definitely a big tattoo. It sounds like you put some time into getting it. I think it is a really cool design. In my opinion, you should keep it for a bit longer. If it took you six months to decide what to get, you owe it to yourself to give it six months on your skin. Plus, from what I've heard the older the tattoo the easier it is to lift.
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November 1, 2014
Bravo!! Your words are so inspiring! I couldn't stop reading...everyone going through regret needs to read this! I couldn't agree more how most of us are so afraid of change...it makes us freeze inside and leaves us feeling so out of control - then the fear and worry sets in and we panic! When the traumatic event that sets us off happens we just have to take a step back, breath and put things into perspective... suddenly things are not so crazy..we actually do have control we just have to recalibrate and look at our options. I admire your strength, your honesty, and willingness to expose your feelings so openly - it's pretty hard for a man to admit they shed a tear. I just want to hug you! I am so happy that you are not going to begin the laser just yet and give yourself some time. 
P.S. I had no idea what a Singlet was - I had to Google it...hahaha! I can't wait for more of your updates :) 
November 2, 2014
Im very happy to contribute, and I hope that my thoughts can also help someone else... who ever thought that getting a tattoo would lead to anything like this!! Im very grateful to have found this community...
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November 2, 2014
Wow!  Everyone needs to read this, even outside tattoo removal.   Thank you!
November 2, 2014
Thats a very nice thing to say, thank you very much for reading.
UPDATED FROM Lumiera

Another day, and another day behind you...

Lumiera
Well, thats really how its beginning to feel... every day that passes is one more day that you've lived with your tattoo, and one less day that you've lived without it. In saying that, I've not been without my moments... this morning was a little bit tough, and I lost it at one point. Burst into tears, thinking once more WTF have I done, and how am I going to devote two or more years into getting rid of this thing!!?

You know what I do when I get into this state? I actually jump on here and read all the positive comments Ive gotten so far... It really is amazing how much all of you contribute in one way or another, and I really want to extend a sincere thank you. I only stumbled across this site by accident, as Im sure most of us do. Now I find myself checking in hourly to see how everyones stories are unfolding, and if theres any news from anyone. Without this community I know Id be in a much worse place than I am now...

But enough of that, whats the positive been in today... Well, as I said, I lost my [RS bleep] for a few minutes this morning, jumped on the forum for a minute or two, had a shower, and started my day. I had to go and do some shopping, which of course meant leaving the house and considering it was a Sunday here that was a very hard thing to do given my current mental state. But I said no, this has to be done, time to get amongst it...

So I went though the usual deliberations... "do I wear sleeves, or a tee?", "Do I want to hide this thing in shame, or do I own it and get out there?"... Well, I decided to own it and get out there... T-Shirt time. Now of course to make it even more challenging on myself, I choose to shop at one of the busiest shopping centres in Melbourne, and its the Sunday of a long weekend here, so it was always going to be busy... worst case scenario, here we come! So off I went...

Everything went well, and Im discovering something entirely new about myself... I used to be a really vain person. I was always wrapped up in how I looked, how I dressed, and was always preoccupied with the assumptions of what people thought about me... There is still some of that in me now, but much less I feel. What Im finding is given what I/we're going through, I am far more surrendered from my physical self, and much more focused on whats going on with me mentally. Im finding Im seriously focused and observant of the world around me, as opposed to what Im thinking of me in the world... its amazing! I think its a bi-product of the separation Im implying that this tattoo is not me, and it doesn't change me... Instead, its the action of marking myself that has initiated a change, and Im actually enjoying this part of the whole thing... If I awl around thinking "All I am now is this tattoo", I'll never get out of it...

All day I found myself so more attuned to the movements, appearances and actions of other people... I found myself to be more courteous, considerate and overall attentive. Now this is a big thing for me because Im very well known to be an arrogant, self absorbed ass for the most part! I wouldn't say Im a mean person, but Im definitely not the nicest guy thats ever walked the planet...

What I did notice however, was the amount of people that do glance rather interested in my arm... I don't believe any of them are looking at me in disgust, and for some, I could catch the gaze follow me across their whole peripheral vision... There was one store I was in just browsing when the clerk came up to me (a tattooed fellow) and the first thing he said was "wow, thats a very interesting tattoo, tell me about it..." and in that moment, I realised exactly why I go this tattoo, and exactly why I got it the way I did... let me explain.

Im an audio engineer by Degree, and also write music for film... Ive always been a musician and have always been interested in the science of sound. For as long as I can remember, I wanted a tattoo that was reflective of this. Im also an admirer of abstract art, stuff that needs to be looked at for a while to be understood, stuff that you can look at 100 different times and read 100 different stories... I know when I wanted a "musical" tattoo, I didn't want a treble clef, I didn't want musical notes, I didn't want a keyboard.. I didn't want any of the off the shelf cliche type stuff I see on many musicians... and the reason I wanted it in abstract is because I wanted people that were genuinely interested in the art I chose to wear, to engage with me so that I may tell that story...

Now Im no artist in a visual sense... I mean, what I see is in my head, but I can't get it out... I can only do that through music. So when I was communicating all this stuff to my artist, I actually forgot to let go of that bit of thinking... I forgot that what I tell her and what she does, is always going to be different, unless I walk into the store and pick an image out of a book. And as an artist myself, I should have known this... art is unique, art is different, and my tattoo was never going to look like what I saw in my head, but its beauty, as Niccola pointed out, is in the story it tells, or more importantly, the story it allows me to tell...

I keep finding myself taking solace in one thing. Our tattoos do not tell a story, they do not symbolise one specific thing, because as with a well written piece of music it means something different to everyone that hears it. Yes, we put them on our bodies so signify a meaning to us, but I think from there, what they become is what we make them, the story they allow us to tell... either to ourselves or to others... So what if a leaf is out of place?, so what if the colouring isn't what we first imagined? so what if its bigger or blacker, or bolder than we first thought, they story of the tattoo is ours and ours alone to tell how we choose...

Now once again I am not in any position to preach to anyone about anything, and I am in no way doing that, Im simply sharing with everyone whats going on inside my own head... these are my thoughts, and this is the journey that Im taking with my tattoo. I am blessed to have experienced the utter, utter low of tattoo remorse, and I know so well how crushing it can be... I only hope that with my journey may come one or two pebbles that may help another...

So yes, today is now behind me, was it a great day, no. Was it my worst day, no... It started very badly, and it turned around... Yes I still ran though the process of laser today. I questioned cost, time, physical restraints and all the other things that run thought our mind that really say "GET THIS THING OFF ME". What I am learning is that you have to actively break the feedback loop yourself, stop the thought process.... and for me, a very real way to do this is to go out, with your tattoo exposed... this may not work for everyone, but I do find it is working for me. If you think it may work for you, give it a try, even if you leave a little exposed, maybe slightly more each time you go out? I could very well wake up tomorrow and be exactly where I started today, but what I do know, is today my tattoo journey taught me some things, it allowed me to feel things, and it helped me be present in the "this is", as opposed to the "one was" or "could be"... and for that I am grateful.

I hope you are all finding tiny little moments of greatness in what may at times seem like a long and dark road...

Love to you all.

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November 2, 2014
"So yes, today is now behind me, was it a great day, no. Was it my worst day, no... It started very badly, and it turned around..." what I find so incredible about you is it's not "IT" turned around, "YOU" turned the day around...you. Your story is sharing your tools in your toolkit of how you're processing your tattoo regret and how you're staying positive. I'm blown away by the self actualization that happening with you and how you've been able to recognize it and use it to your advantage. You're so inspiring. I love reading your updates, they make me smile.
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November 2, 2014
What Alicia said! Your story is so touching and inspiring. It's like you're morphing before our eyes. Thank you immensely for sharing. You are going to help so many others going through something similar.
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November 2, 2014
Amazing. I think you should put another feather in your cap. Audio engineer, musician, artist and WRITER. Keep 'em coming. Niccola
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November 3, 2014
I love your blog posts! I remember that I breathed in really deep the first time I stepped outside in spaghetti straps - with all 3 chest tattoos showing, INCLUDING the big black one. I had a different reason to be freaking out. I thought people would be super critical of a WOMAN having such a bold tattoo. Like "ugh, she really ruined her looks with that un-ladylike monstrocity" i proudly show it off now, but the thing that reminded me most of you was when I decided to chop my long hair off, I don't mean just "short" I mean SHORT. An EXTREME change. I always got dressed thinking "do I wear a cap or hat today? Perhaps a head scarf?" The reaction to my haircut was very negative. And it HAS taken me many many years and the weird bed-head stage of growth to get it back to long. It's not EXACTLY like a tattoo, but that's the first thing that came to mind. I had to grow my hair for years and you might have years if you decide on removal. I am glad RS is such a help to you. It has really done that for me as well (and lots of others) :) have a nice day :)
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January 3, 2016
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