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50yo, Starting to Hate the Old Lady in the Mirror - Bangkok, Thailand
UPDATED FROM Aus50
1 year post
12 month update
Aus50September 11, 2016
WORTH IT$9,900
Given a few comments on my last entry, I figured I'd show the scars (what scars?! truly) at 12 months post.
In general, my face has settled nicely.
My jawline is a little softer than it was earlier on, so it's not *quite* the sharp clean line it was, but I know nobody notices it except me. Eric the under eye worm is still (just) visible, but also unnoticeable to anyone but me.
I really don't think about my facelift any more, but I AM much happier with what I see in the mirror and with photos. If I ever have an 'off' day (and yes, I still (again) have some), I just drag up a 'before/after' picture and immediately feel better :).
I'm still dating and don't at all feel as if they would have any inkling that I've had a facelift.
As a note, men my age don't contact me on dating sites, so I figured they were filtering out anyone over 40 or something. As an experiment, I changed my age to 40, used the same photos, and voila: HELLO, THERE YOU ARE 50-ish YEAR OLD GENTLEMEN! So yeah, apparently I've aged out of the dating world for my peers :/. Still, with my age at 50, I get a lot of messages from men much younger than me. I'm okay with it :).
Again, if anyone wants to see pictures, I'm happy to share privately, just message me :).
In general, my face has settled nicely.
My jawline is a little softer than it was earlier on, so it's not *quite* the sharp clean line it was, but I know nobody notices it except me. Eric the under eye worm is still (just) visible, but also unnoticeable to anyone but me.
I really don't think about my facelift any more, but I AM much happier with what I see in the mirror and with photos. If I ever have an 'off' day (and yes, I still (again) have some), I just drag up a 'before/after' picture and immediately feel better :).
I'm still dating and don't at all feel as if they would have any inkling that I've had a facelift.
As a note, men my age don't contact me on dating sites, so I figured they were filtering out anyone over 40 or something. As an experiment, I changed my age to 40, used the same photos, and voila: HELLO, THERE YOU ARE 50-ish YEAR OLD GENTLEMEN! So yeah, apparently I've aged out of the dating world for my peers :/. Still, with my age at 50, I get a lot of messages from men much younger than me. I'm okay with it :).
Again, if anyone wants to see pictures, I'm happy to share privately, just message me :).
Replies (5)
September 13, 2016
Hello there...I remember sitting up in bed in Bangkok nearly 11months ago post surgery a bit freaked out and finding you on real self.. loverly had mentioned you so I followed you a bit to get me thru mine...my scars are invisible also my eyelids from my blepharoplasty u can't see anything...I read a man talking about his invisible scars and those teena tiny stitches...he wasn't lying...I am so pleased for you and that you are happy with the outcome...like you I just look at an old photo if I'm having a low day ...thanks for being ahead of me and so open, so I could find comfort alone in Bangkok..have a happy happy life
September 13, 2016
I'm so glad my review helped! And Loverly was so great: I really appreciated just having that reassurance and help while being there all alone.
I'm so pleased you're happy with your results also. Good wishes to you also :).
I'm so pleased you're happy with your results also. Good wishes to you also :).
September 13, 2016
I read/watched your progress while it was going on. Very helpful and you are funny too. Isn't it amazing that men our age thing we are "too old" yet they think nothing of dating a young woman? I told a "gentlemen" friend that I dated someone 14 years my junior and he thought that was just too large of an age gap. Yes, his online profile had that same age gap. When I pointed that out he said he didn't want to leave any possibilities out. Well, I feel the same way. And let's be honest--there are many men who claim to be 40 or 45 or 50 and I would challenge that they are in their 60s (probably not but my point is that they aren't taking care of themselves!!!) I love your experience and age has nothing to do with who you click with or love. I may try the same! :-)
September 14, 2016
I'm so glad you found my review helpful (and thank you for the 'funny' :)).
And yes, it's so strange about aging out of my own peer dating pool. I'm also astounded that *younger* men don't think so.
I only met one man with that lie about my age in place and I wouldn't do it again. I felt too guilty and just couldn't figure out how or when to fess up. The tricky thing is that once you start talking about life experience, a 10 year lie starts to become obvious ("Oh you were travelling in your 20s when [a certain political situation] was occurring? Wait... hooooolddd on...."). Then you have to run away :).
And yes, it's so strange about aging out of my own peer dating pool. I'm also astounded that *younger* men don't think so.
I only met one man with that lie about my age in place and I wouldn't do it again. I felt too guilty and just couldn't figure out how or when to fess up. The tricky thing is that once you start talking about life experience, a 10 year lie starts to become obvious ("Oh you were travelling in your 20s when [a certain political situation] was occurring? Wait... hooooolddd on...."). Then you have to run away :).
September 14, 2016
LOL! you just say, "no, you idiot, I told you I was 47, not 40. YOU must have gotten that part mixed up! If you can't keep my info/story straight then we need to stop seeing each other"! :-) If they really like you believe me they will keep the lie (secret) going bc they certainly don't want their friends/family to know!! Ee gads, how EMBARASING!!!! Dating an older woman!! Help me to my fainting couch please.
November 30, 2016
Your ears look great! Lucky you! It looks like you have healed well.
I ended up with pixie ears. Thanks a lot. The PS just made a tuck on my earlobes, but one did not take. I have to do a redo on it. sigh,
My football is almost gone now, thanks to kybella.
My left side does not look like I had a lower lift at all, but my neck looks good.
A dermatologist wanted to put kybella in the jowl area, however I read there could be serious complications. He said that he never had any complications there. My PS said he will not inject it there. So, I'm really glad that I did not go ahead with it. I would have probably ended up with a crooked smile for life. I had Belafill in my chin dimples, and one area now looks puffy where it should not be. So I am massaging it. Goodness.
But you know what? I still look really good all in all. I think the neck surgery made such a huge difference. It really makes up for all of the fallout.
In regards to the number thing, I decided that I am just not going to tell people my age anymore. The whole conversation shifts to age, and wow I can't believe it, and so on. I end up thinking that I should show them my defects so that THEY feel better. It makes me feel guilty, because usually they look their age (nothing wrong with that), and I look 15 years younger. Then they feel badly about themselves. My appearance does not mean that I am any better than them.
Glad to hear that you are dating. I so get the dating on line thing, regarding the number. I took a hiatus from it, because all of the men are so-o-o old in my category, and it's obvious that they don't take care of themselves.
I think I will try it again and shave more years off of my profile, so that I will come up in the younger searchs. Sorry, but Grandpa is just not appealing to me. I'll tell them my number as soon as I know that I would like a 2nd date. Then maybe ask them if my number bothers them. Maybe get it all right out in the open? In the real world I catch the eyes of younger men, but they are too young. It's just not an easy thing to figure out, is it? (The book will be out in April :-)
I am so glad to hear that Eric is headed out of town! He sure has taken his time! I guess some things take a while to sort out. Yes?
GG.
I ended up with pixie ears. Thanks a lot. The PS just made a tuck on my earlobes, but one did not take. I have to do a redo on it. sigh,
My football is almost gone now, thanks to kybella.
My left side does not look like I had a lower lift at all, but my neck looks good.
A dermatologist wanted to put kybella in the jowl area, however I read there could be serious complications. He said that he never had any complications there. My PS said he will not inject it there. So, I'm really glad that I did not go ahead with it. I would have probably ended up with a crooked smile for life. I had Belafill in my chin dimples, and one area now looks puffy where it should not be. So I am massaging it. Goodness.
But you know what? I still look really good all in all. I think the neck surgery made such a huge difference. It really makes up for all of the fallout.
In regards to the number thing, I decided that I am just not going to tell people my age anymore. The whole conversation shifts to age, and wow I can't believe it, and so on. I end up thinking that I should show them my defects so that THEY feel better. It makes me feel guilty, because usually they look their age (nothing wrong with that), and I look 15 years younger. Then they feel badly about themselves. My appearance does not mean that I am any better than them.
Glad to hear that you are dating. I so get the dating on line thing, regarding the number. I took a hiatus from it, because all of the men are so-o-o old in my category, and it's obvious that they don't take care of themselves.
I think I will try it again and shave more years off of my profile, so that I will come up in the younger searchs. Sorry, but Grandpa is just not appealing to me. I'll tell them my number as soon as I know that I would like a 2nd date. Then maybe ask them if my number bothers them. Maybe get it all right out in the open? In the real world I catch the eyes of younger men, but they are too young. It's just not an easy thing to figure out, is it? (The book will be out in April :-)
I am so glad to hear that Eric is headed out of town! He sure has taken his time! I guess some things take a while to sort out. Yes?
GG.
April 12, 2017
Thanks for sharing. After all this would you still recommend Dr Nond?
April 12, 2017
You're most welcome.
And absolutely, yes I would recommend him. I'm very happy with his work: I look naturally better and younger and the scars are literally invisible.
I think the only downside of going to him is the same with any travel for surgery: no actual access to your surgeon for either reassurance or small tweaks after the surgery. I think if you DO have any issues or concerns (I didn't) or if you are a nervous type (this kind of surgery is a Big. Deal and you don't quite realise that until you do it), that could be really stressful, so there is a risk there that is less to do with him or his skills, but just to do with geography.
And absolutely, yes I would recommend him. I'm very happy with his work: I look naturally better and younger and the scars are literally invisible.
I think the only downside of going to him is the same with any travel for surgery: no actual access to your surgeon for either reassurance or small tweaks after the surgery. I think if you DO have any issues or concerns (I didn't) or if you are a nervous type (this kind of surgery is a Big. Deal and you don't quite realise that until you do it), that could be really stressful, so there is a risk there that is less to do with him or his skills, but just to do with geography.
UPDATED FROM Aus50
11 months post
Photos
Aus50July 16, 2016
I know how immensely helpful (and fascinating) photos are in reviews, but I no longer felt comfortable having identifying pictures up.
I'm more than happy to share privately if you message me.
I'm more than happy to share privately if you message me.
Replies (5)
July 16, 2016
I can understand that. I want to thank you so much for your incredibly thorough, informative and entertaining review (Do you write for a living?). I've been following you for awhile although I don't comment much. Just wanted to let you know that your postings - and your photos - have been immensely helpful and appreciated. xo
July 16, 2016
I'm so glad it's been useful, thank you so much for the feedback.
It's been really useful for me to write about it and get support here also: I never told anyone so all the gazillions of obsessive little thoughts and details had nowhere to go. Frankly, even if I HAD told someone, I fully expect they'd have been going "Oh. My. God, can you shut up about it already?!!" after probably week 1 :).
(and I have written for a living, thank you for the complimentary question... :D)
It's been really useful for me to write about it and get support here also: I never told anyone so all the gazillions of obsessive little thoughts and details had nowhere to go. Frankly, even if I HAD told someone, I fully expect they'd have been going "Oh. My. God, can you shut up about it already?!!" after probably week 1 :).
(and I have written for a living, thank you for the complimentary question... :D)
July 16, 2016
Ha ha....there it is; you always make me laugh; when you stopped posting so much it was a little like a good book that ends and you don't want it to :) Cool, you're certainly a natural and you're most welcome! Yeah, I'm pretty sure that when I finally bite the bullet (well, more like have the funds to buy the bullet), I'll be asking questions galore and asking if _________is normal!? This site is such a great support. I do have one question though if you don't mind; would you get your surgery done abroad again, or did you ever wish the doctor was closer? I'm currently eyeing up India, Costa Rica or the States (none are home-I'm Canadian) at the moment and wondering about the issue of the doctor being so far away. Although I'll admit, it's beginning to feel a bit moot at the moment as plastic surgeons charge so much here that I doubt I could ever afford it! Plus, many places abroad seem to include more. Now I'm rambling .....just wondered if you had any regrets on that particular issue.
July 16, 2016
I don't have any regrets, no. And like you, I'd not have been able to do it at all locally, it would have been around $40,000 for both face and breast surgeries!
But the thing I learnt, which I didn't think of (or know) before, is that a LOT of people have issues or tweaks that come up months later. Not due to poor work or 'problems' necessarily, just because the surgery is as much art as science and sometimes needs a little 'something' after the fact.
With a local surgeon, you can pop into their office: tweak, snip, inject (whatever) and it's done, probably for free or a reduced cost. I see a lot of people doing that here on RS.
Obviously that's not possible if you've gone o/s, so you either let small things that might be easily fixed go, OR you go back o/s (with the related travel/accommodation costs), OR you go see a local surgeon which for me isn't a thing I'd look forward to ("You went OVERSEAS?! [disapproving lecture, dismissive attitude]" etc) and will also be expensive no matter how minor a thing it is (I doubt they do ANYTHING here for less than a few thousand).
I didn't think of that, and I was lucky. I have some *really* minor niggles that I would be chasing if he was here (e.g. I'd like to try botox in Eric the under-eye worm which is now really small to see if he disappears altogether, and I have a slight indent on my left breast (much improved since I last posted a shot of it a few months ago, but still there) that he thinks is due to some close stitching and that *might* still resolve completely, but if not, there's not a lot he can do about it.
So it's worth thinking about the possibility (even if it's mentally budgeting for a follow up visit).
But the thing I learnt, which I didn't think of (or know) before, is that a LOT of people have issues or tweaks that come up months later. Not due to poor work or 'problems' necessarily, just because the surgery is as much art as science and sometimes needs a little 'something' after the fact.
With a local surgeon, you can pop into their office: tweak, snip, inject (whatever) and it's done, probably for free or a reduced cost. I see a lot of people doing that here on RS.
Obviously that's not possible if you've gone o/s, so you either let small things that might be easily fixed go, OR you go back o/s (with the related travel/accommodation costs), OR you go see a local surgeon which for me isn't a thing I'd look forward to ("You went OVERSEAS?! [disapproving lecture, dismissive attitude]" etc) and will also be expensive no matter how minor a thing it is (I doubt they do ANYTHING here for less than a few thousand).
I didn't think of that, and I was lucky. I have some *really* minor niggles that I would be chasing if he was here (e.g. I'd like to try botox in Eric the under-eye worm which is now really small to see if he disappears altogether, and I have a slight indent on my left breast (much improved since I last posted a shot of it a few months ago, but still there) that he thinks is due to some close stitching and that *might* still resolve completely, but if not, there's not a lot he can do about it.
So it's worth thinking about the possibility (even if it's mentally budgeting for a follow up visit).
July 17, 2016
Yeah, prices are probably similar here in Canada; I've been quoted an average of $18,000.00 for a lower facelift and necklift so there's just no way.
Yes, I've been seeing some of those tweaks and fix-ups and that's why I wondered about you; I do remember reading about the "brat" Eric and his shenanigans :) It seems as though most doctors are pretty responsive to concerns via email, phone and skype and that many of the issues do resolve on their own with just some long distance advice. I guess it's just weighing everything, in the end and you've given me some good info.
Laughed at the expected Aussie doctor response as I know that's exactly what I'd get here. In fact I did; I had an emergency extraction in Iraq earlier this year, along with a new, quite large, porcelain filling replaced and when I saw my local dentist a couple of months later to get something done, he gave me "the look" (are you a certifiable idiot?!), said a few choice words and then, after examining the work, grudgingly said well, it's actually quite good; I guess you got lucky, but then couldn't resist recounting a litany of horror stories he had in his arsenal.
Anyway, appreciate your e'er detailed response and I will almost certainly go overseas, or perhaps to the much-loved Dr. Harley who is stateside as his Biltmore lift is "only" $6,400.00 (more CAD of course) and he seems to have great results.
Now I think I will check in on your hair growth review as I have thinning hair also (and w/o a facelift!) and see how that's going. Oh, and will just mention, as a by the by, that I've been using Nizoral shampoo (dandruff shampoo-don't actually have dandruff) and it's been working pretty well to thicken up my hair....even leaves it soft :)
Yes, I've been seeing some of those tweaks and fix-ups and that's why I wondered about you; I do remember reading about the "brat" Eric and his shenanigans :) It seems as though most doctors are pretty responsive to concerns via email, phone and skype and that many of the issues do resolve on their own with just some long distance advice. I guess it's just weighing everything, in the end and you've given me some good info.
Laughed at the expected Aussie doctor response as I know that's exactly what I'd get here. In fact I did; I had an emergency extraction in Iraq earlier this year, along with a new, quite large, porcelain filling replaced and when I saw my local dentist a couple of months later to get something done, he gave me "the look" (are you a certifiable idiot?!), said a few choice words and then, after examining the work, grudgingly said well, it's actually quite good; I guess you got lucky, but then couldn't resist recounting a litany of horror stories he had in his arsenal.
Anyway, appreciate your e'er detailed response and I will almost certainly go overseas, or perhaps to the much-loved Dr. Harley who is stateside as his Biltmore lift is "only" $6,400.00 (more CAD of course) and he seems to have great results.
Now I think I will check in on your hair growth review as I have thinning hair also (and w/o a facelift!) and see how that's going. Oh, and will just mention, as a by the by, that I've been using Nizoral shampoo (dandruff shampoo-don't actually have dandruff) and it's been working pretty well to thicken up my hair....even leaves it soft :)
August 21, 2016
Hi and what an awesome review! I'm looking for a surgeon for lower face lift & rhino. Would you mind showing me your pics from Dr Nond? I'm new to this site & still figuring it all out. Thankyou!!!
September 7, 2016
Hi, I would love to see your photos. I have just booked for a facelift with dr nond. Thank you for your review which is so beautifully detailed. It has helped me a lot. I am in Melbourne. Thank you
September 10, 2016
I'm a melbournite myself and a post op patient of dr nond...10mths..he is very skilled...I can recommend him...highly
September 10, 2016
Hi GypsySurfer, would love to see any of your journey you would be happy to share?
September 10, 2016
Everybody travels differently through this I don't have any photos to show, but I can tell you I was terrified and didn't have anything to go on but trust..and I am healthy with a youthful result. Every body is different, i had blepharoplasty as well and went back to work at 4 weeks ..too early for me..on my feet all day..I got through but you are meant to wear the head bandage for 8 weeks something there to think about..I went by myself so I opted for global health travel and a great nurse called loverly to look after me and am grateful for her company and reassurance. When doubts set in..I was worried as I said everybody is different..and all surgical procedures vary...what are you having done?
August 21, 2021
Would you mind privately communicating with me? I’m thinking of going to Dr Nond.
September 10, 2016
glad to hear all is well for you, I'm at 10and a half months and very relieved but happy. Every time I pass myself in the mirror I can't believe it's me...I don't look tired no matter how tired I am...I love that...are you happy about BA...? Congrats on the dating.
September 10, 2016
I'm so glad you had such a good result, the 'can't believe it's me' is wonderful :).
I think now I'm well past that into 'this is normal', which is also lovely.
I just updated my BA review, and yes I'm really happy with the outcome there also. My goodness, the before and after :).
I think now I'm well past that into 'this is normal', which is also lovely.
I just updated my BA review, and yes I'm really happy with the outcome there also. My goodness, the before and after :).
September 10, 2016
So glad I looked at your pictures that show how those neck incisions look after 10 months! Three months post op, mine are still quite pink and I've been wondering if they would ever decide to join the rest of my fleshier colored skin by toning down! Pink is fine as long as it's my blush! Again, thanks for showing the progression!
September 10, 2016
You're so welcome.
Honestly, I didn't believe it when people said that their scars became invisible, but all going well, they genuinely do. It's quite astounding. But boy, it's hard to be patient :)!
Honestly, I didn't believe it when people said that their scars became invisible, but all going well, they genuinely do. It's quite astounding. But boy, it's hard to be patient :)!
September 10, 2016
I took all of my pictures down when I became concerned over privacy issues. When I decided to put some of them back up, I chose not to post the ones of those incisions in my neck hairline. They caused a bit of a stir among gals on this site when I first posted them, and in the quite horrifying thought of any of my former students seeing them, I certainly didn't want them available to show around at a high school reunion! Since the scars are slowly showing some signs of giving up their pink color, I hadn't given up hope on them blending in more, but I see from your pics I now even have more hope!! Thanks again!
UPDATED FROM Aus50
10 months post
9 months-ish update
Aus50June 7, 2016
I consider this my final result. I'm (still) really delighted with it.
The scars are literally imperceptible (I still can't believe that!), and my face hasn't dropped back like I feared it might (it really was an irrational fear, but I still had it...).
Longer term after effects (other than looking fab, I mean :)) below:
There is still a tiny bit of a kind of 'not feeling normal' in front of my ears. Not numb, just not 100% normal when I touch it.
Eric the under-eye worm is still around and comes and goes depending on his whims and where the light is coming from, but he's not really visible to anyone except me. I met with someone off this site and she said she couldn't see it either.
I STILL wake up with 'lowered eyelids/brow' in the morning as if my brow lift has dropped. I'm not sure if it's a muscle thing or a swelling thing, but I've learnt that it clears as the day goes on (phew! the first time I noticed it I freaked out). For all I know, it did that before also and has nothing to do with the surgery (brow lift, lower bleph), but I've included a photo so you can see what I mean.
As for my personal life, I felt confident enough to hit on a beautiful 36yo hottie on a dating site and he's really the first to get up super close and personal to all those almost-invisible scars, AND to see me at my worst post-facelift (and by 'worst', I mean puffy-faced and hungover first thing in the morning :/). He thinks I'm beautiful which is beyond lovely (and he didn't even qualify it with a 'for your age', so good for him!).
I'm now well past feeling self-conscious about anyone being able to tell that I've had the surgery, which is great. It's just the new normal :).
The scars are literally imperceptible (I still can't believe that!), and my face hasn't dropped back like I feared it might (it really was an irrational fear, but I still had it...).
Longer term after effects (other than looking fab, I mean :)) below:
There is still a tiny bit of a kind of 'not feeling normal' in front of my ears. Not numb, just not 100% normal when I touch it.
Eric the under-eye worm is still around and comes and goes depending on his whims and where the light is coming from, but he's not really visible to anyone except me. I met with someone off this site and she said she couldn't see it either.
I STILL wake up with 'lowered eyelids/brow' in the morning as if my brow lift has dropped. I'm not sure if it's a muscle thing or a swelling thing, but I've learnt that it clears as the day goes on (phew! the first time I noticed it I freaked out). For all I know, it did that before also and has nothing to do with the surgery (brow lift, lower bleph), but I've included a photo so you can see what I mean.
As for my personal life, I felt confident enough to hit on a beautiful 36yo hottie on a dating site and he's really the first to get up super close and personal to all those almost-invisible scars, AND to see me at my worst post-facelift (and by 'worst', I mean puffy-faced and hungover first thing in the morning :/). He thinks I'm beautiful which is beyond lovely (and he didn't even qualify it with a 'for your age', so good for him!).
I'm now well past feeling self-conscious about anyone being able to tell that I've had the surgery, which is great. It's just the new normal :).
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June 7, 2016
Many thanks for the update. We are sort of missing you but understand you can only come up with new news so often. Good luck with the kid ;)
June 8, 2016
You're most welcome! And yeah, after a while there's not a lot more to share about it. Same same (which is a GOOD thing! :)).
Thanks for the good luck wishes with the kid: He's 6'3 and built, so even if it goes nowhere, I'm pretty damn happy about him :D.
Thanks for the good luck wishes with the kid: He's 6'3 and built, so even if it goes nowhere, I'm pretty damn happy about him :D.
June 7, 2016
Yay! So glad to hear all the positives! Enjoy the new you, gorgeous. I have the same forehead condition too, some thing about the muscles. Thanks for the follow up!
June 8, 2016
Hey there! I have to send you a note and get all your goss :).
Interesting that your forehead does the same thing. Strange. I'd truly have thought it would DROP over the course of the day because LOGIC.
Hope you're doing well.
Interesting that your forehead does the same thing. Strange. I'd truly have thought it would DROP over the course of the day because LOGIC.
Hope you're doing well.
June 8, 2016
So good to see you around again, Aus! You look absolutely beautiful and happy to hear you're enjoying your life! Ha!
June 9, 2016
Thanks so much :). And yes, the new 'normal' is pretty great.
Your results look wonderful btw.
Your results look wonderful btw.
June 11, 2016
Hey I love reading your updates, and you look greattttttt..... You have a great time!!!!!!!
It seems it is ok for men to date younger women so why not for women....
And who would think women of all people would judge us,we can do exactly what men do... Life is too little to worry about what anyone thinks anyway..
And nothing is forever.. Keep sending us updates please,it is so nice to hear from someone who tells it the way it is ...GO GIRL
I am with you
It seems it is ok for men to date younger women so why not for women....
And who would think women of all people would judge us,we can do exactly what men do... Life is too little to worry about what anyone thinks anyway..
And nothing is forever.. Keep sending us updates please,it is so nice to hear from someone who tells it the way it is ...GO GIRL
I am with you
June 15, 2016
Hey thank you for your reply, just love to read the updates ..dates and all ,you look stunning. We are so grateful lots of ladies dont keep the updates going , It is great to be able to see the long term results. Thank you....
And yes, I'm happy to share photos : I'll send you a private message.