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53 and Still Believe in Miracles… - Asheville, NC

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3 months post

Complications are resolved

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Hello everyone. I am very excited to share great news …I can close my eyes completely now. I am so happy! My road to recovery was a little bit bumpy in the beginning but the results are totally worth it. Dr. Harley was very supportive and encouraging during that difficult time for me and I appreciate it so much.

Let me share some observations I made during my healing process. Any surgical intervention can leave scars. The key is locating scars in a place that are least noticeable and Dr. Harley placed his incisions within natural creases and made precise wound closures. My job was to provide an excellent care and follow the post op instructions to minimize scars. Scarring is a natural part of the healing process… every scar heals differently so some areas may require more attention than other. The scar formation on my right eyelid was more intense pulling the skin inward and preventing it from complete closure. Dr. Harley recommended daily massage to make the scar tissue softer and eliminate tightness. On the eyes, every millimeter counts. Fortunately, the skin of the eyelids is very thin and flexible so my persistent work was finally paid off.

In June, my husband and I spent two weeks in England and Wales visiting friends and family. I am not big fan of rains at all but that GB high humidity cool weather was perfect for my eyes, hair and skin. The day we came back I noticed the difference. High altitude, constant wind, air conditioner, and computer are the main reason of my dry eyes. I also noticed that make up irritates my eyes as well so I try to minimize it as much as possible. However, I feel much more comfortable without make up now…just lipstick and eyebrow pencil most of the time yet look fresh and rested even when I am tired. Just before vacation I was going to have Botox or maybe a filler to lift my eyebrows but didn’t have time…now I think I am OK without it for some time, my eyes look softer and natural. I am happy with results.

At tree months post op, I still feel some weird sensation in my chin and around my ears, but it’s much softer now and doesn’t bother me at all. Even there are more scars on my face, the Biltmore Lift was much easier to recover than blepharoplasty (I had both upper and lower eyelids done). However, I made the right decision to combine those procedures, saved time on recovery and look much younger. Thanks Dr. Harley.

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July 11, 2016
Your eyes look great!
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July 13, 2016
Thanks for the complement! I forgot to mention another possible complication of a face lift…younger men might flirt with you more than recently.LOL.
July 11, 2016
I'm so glad to hear that all the issues have been resolved and that you're feeling better. You certainly look stunning! Very natural, young, and beautiful. Thanks for sharing your journey. All the best to you! :)
July 11, 2016
You look fabulous! I'm glad to hear the updates about your eyes. My dry eye issue has resolved too. More on me later ... I will post an update with pics in a few days. So pleased to see you looking so pretty and doing well. ;-)
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July 12, 2016
I am glad to hear that you are doing well too. Looking forward for your pics. L and I spent three day weekend in Little Rock, Arkansas, we brought our sport airplane for some repair and maintenance. Now I know for sure that my eyes are much more comfortable in high humidity weather…I even had make up all day long yesterday and nothing bothered me. I am going to see how I will feel in four hours in our hot, windy, and extremely dry area. I let everybody know if my assumption is true.
July 12, 2016
You look fabulous!! The healing part really is unpleasant, but soo worth it!!
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July 12, 2016
I'm glad to learn you're finally able to close your eyes.
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1 month post

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May 25, 2016
Thank you for taking the time to share this extremely informative and realistic review. It is true that we prefer to focus on the positive aspects of elective surgery, but it is equally important to educate ourselves on the not-so-positive risks. I am sorry you have experienced a complication, but am encouraged by your conversation with Dr. H three weeks post op. I really hope things are resolved and corrected with more healing time...just as Dr. H predicted. In spite of your complication, your results are absolutely stunning. Your eyes look beautiful! Best wishes as you continue to heal!!
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May 26, 2016
Sunny, thank you very much for your support. I am very positive that all my issues will be resolved with time. Eye lids skin is very flexible and would stretch a little...the most important is not letting scars getting stiff. In general, eyes look refreshed and no one knows there is a little problem... except you and me...well and Dr. Harley who is confident it just a transient complication. Let's check my updates in a month and hope for big changes.
May 26, 2016
Yes, I too want to thank you for posting that informative quote - very helpful as it can be difficult to find this information when researching (the net is so vast!). Fingers crossed that your issues resolve sooner rather than later.

You look so good - one of the more dramatic transformations, while still being subtle :)
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May 28, 2016
I was told it changes how much skin is removed from the lid- so they raise the brow first. if they do eyes first, and brow after, you may have a problem with eye closure. I would think you need to wait for the eye lids to stretch again? I'm not sure. I'm gathering as much information before I take the leap! The surgeon didn't know I was considering not doing a brow lift, it was mentioned because everything was priced separately like Dr. H. I'm really torn about the brow lift for me because two surgeons recommended it now and Dr H said I will need one eventually. Sadly, he did not offer it, so I'm sure he doesn't do them. I'm not frightened that dr H will do a bad job, it's just that my brows are so low and deep down I know they need to be raised. I agree the surprised look is not good, but two surgeons have said it will give me a more awake look. I need moderate lift so they want to do endoscopic. I'm going to a third consult and probably a fourth before I decide. Ugh! . This is not an easy decision!!!!!
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May 26, 2016
I had a consult with a local surgeon today who told me that I need a brow lift. He held a mirror up and moved my brows to the position he recommended. The good news is that he said brow lifts last 20 years. He said I can't do a brow lift after upper eye bleth, brow lift has to come first. I'm happy I consulted with another before booking because Dr H is not right for me
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May 28, 2016
I am very happy for you that you are on the way to the best you…. and sad at the same time as I know I cannot have brow lift at all and I obviously need it…there is barely enough space between my eye lids and brows
May 28, 2016
I did not even consider a brow lift after reading of all the complications that can go with one such as permanent hair loss and constant headaches. I already suffer from migraines and have thinish hair so I have no desire to add to that. Also, I think I read on Dr Harley's website that he did do brow lifts? Lastly, I think your eye to brow ratio is lovely and very natural for you. Some folks look bloody startled after after one and some complain they did not think it worth it. I crossed that off my list after research and have not looked back. A higher brow belongs to the woman/girl I once was along with perfect skin and no cellulite. We should talk by phone when I get back from France and you from your trip abroad. :-)
May 28, 2016
I should say that comment was for dontgetold in case it's not obvious. :-)
May 28, 2016
One more thing, I just read a few comments from surgeons on RS and they say you can have a brow lift after an upper bleph so I am not sure why Cyn955's doc is telling her that when all the one's I just saw on RS said it can be done.
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May 28, 2016
I responded to you above. Sorry in the wrong spot.Darn it! I'm still learning to navigate this website
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May 28, 2016
Your eyes are incredibly gorgeous. I mean strikingly so! You don't have deep forehead lines which would indicate you don't lift your brows like I do. That is why I questioned whether I needed a lift. I also have brow asymmetry. You really couldn't look more beautiful- honestly!!
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May 28, 2016
Dontgetold, the comment above is for you. I hate the way these replies post. i can't navigate...grrr
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May 30, 2016
MMM, email me your phone number and I will call you from London to chat a little. I hope you have great time and weather in France. I am looking forward for my vacation.
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May 30, 2016
Thank you for a complement. I am lucky not to have deep wrinkles. Human faces are not symmetrical, minor asymmetries are normal, especially in brows. My brows are not perfect either. There are ways to modify your brows with removing some hair from the end and make a new higher/lower lines with eyebrow pencil. It gives me an instant lift. I will have Botox this week to relax it a little also…I know I don't need anymore lift…just time to see better results after the current surgery.
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May 26, 2016
Your results are beautiful. Sorry you are having problems. It's still early in the recovery and hope it gets better soon!
July 8, 2016
Your eyes look great!
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1 month post

"One cannot refuse to eat just because ?there is a chance of being choked."?-- Chinese proverb

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Today I would like to talk about something the most people on this site would avoid: complications. I received a couple of private messages with questions and concerns, in addition I have my own…so I did some research and put it up for you here. I know some people are terrified of surgeries and I am not trying to scare them away but only inform, cause we can’t ignore this subject…

The giant quote below is a part of the article “Blepharoplasty 101: The Essential Patient Reference” by Dr. Meronk who is a retired plastic surgeon. I found it very easy to understand and informative, however, the full article must be purchased for $29, which I chose not to do as I am almost done with my recovery.

“Despite the extensive list that appears below, blepharoplasty is a relatively safe and effective surgery when compared to many more plastic and reconstructive surgeries. Complications in blepharoplasty are uncommon and, when they occur, they are usually mild and transient.

Infection: Infection is a risk with any and all surgery. Because of the eyelid's good blood circulation, however, elective surgery performed under sterile conditions seldom results in serious infection.
• Bleeding: Continued bleeding after blepharoplasty may require reopening of the eyelid wound and either cauterization of the bleeding vessel and/or evacuation of the clot ("hematoma"). The most common sites of bleeding are the fat pockets and the orbicularis muscle.
• Wound separation: The edges of the eyelid skin closure may separate, especially in the first day or two after suture removal. A small separation may close spontaneously or with the help of supporting tape. A larger separation may require suturing. Generally, treated wound separations have minimal permanent effect on the final result.
• Suture cysts: Tiny white cysts (milia) may develop in the suture line. While most disappear without treatment, removal of a resistant cyst is simple and quick.
• Asymmetry: Eyelids that look good individually may not match as a pair, and such asymmetry introduced by surgery may be cosmetically disturbing. Asymmetries can involve the height and shape of the upper eyelid crease, excursion of the lower eyelid margin, residual skin or fat, and so on. If noticeable asymmetry persists past a reasonable waiting period of time (usually three to six months), your surgeon may suggest re-operation.
• Insufficient skin removal: While blepharoplasty undercorrection is always preferable to overcorrection, an objectionable amount of undercorrection may call for a "touch-up" operation. Be aware that what sometimes appears to be an undercorrection may, in fact, represent a basic and inherent limitation of blepharoplasty surgery in that particular patient. For instance, mild hooding of upper eyelid skin on the side closest the temple may be secondary to a mild downward droop of a patient's eyebrow. Likewise, skin excess in the medial canthus towards the nose may be more related more to a patient's forehead droop than an underaggressive blepharoplasty. Remember two things: (1) blepharoplasty is an operation on the eyelids alone and can accomplish only so much for the face, and (2) attempting to leave eyelid skin "bone tight" in either the upper or lower eyelids is courting disaster.
• Excessive skin removal: Excessive removal of upper eyelid skin may interfere with proper closure of the eyelids ("lagophthalmos") during blinking or especially when sleeping. Extreme shortage may distort the eyelid margin and create a widening of the palpebral fissure (opening between the eyelids) that is both cosmetically and functionally objectionable ("eyelid retraction"). Excessive removal of lower eyelid skin may cause the eyelid margin to pull away from the eye surface ("ectropion"). When mild, the main symptom may be overflow tearing due to the pulling away of the tear drain opening from the surface of the eye ("punctal eversion"). If more severe, the entire lid may be pulled downward. Problems resulting from skin overcorrection are annoying at best and dangerous at worst; almost all such complications require surgical intervention.
• Insufficient fat removal: When insufficient fat removal creates a noticeable or asymmetric blemish, further removal may be indicated.
• Excessive fat removal: Fat removal from the upper eyelid may create a lid crease that appears too high and deep ("superior sulcus defect"). Fat removal in the lower eyelids may create a hollowed-out appearance ("inferior sulcus defect"). Hollowness may develop either immediately or years after surgery.
• Excessive muscle removal: Aggressive removal of orbicularis muscle from the upper eyelid may hollow the superior sulcus and in the lower eyelid may lead to weakened eyelid closure and support.
• Excessive internal scarring: Internal scarring ("fibrosis") or shrinkage of the internal eyelid layers below the skin may cause distortion, limitation of movement, and retraction. Massage may help in mild cases, but surgery may be needed to improve appearance and function.
• Excessive external scarring: Visible scarring on the skin may be aggravated by poor healing in damaged or sensitive skin, suboptimal placement of incisions (too high in the upper eyelid; too low in the lower eyelid), delayed suture removal, prolonged fragility with laser incisions, failure to follow postoperative instructions, and other factors.
• Inappropriate crease: An upper crease placed too high tends to "feminize" the male eyelid. An overly high or arched upper crease in an Asian eyelid may "round the eye" and make it appear inconsistent with the rest of the face. Excessive upper skin removal and/or failure to fixate the crease during suture closure may allow the final scar to migrate higher and be visible.
• Rounding at the lateral commissure: Rounding of the acute angle where the outer upper and eyelids come together may be caused by excess skin and/or muscle resection or a result of canthoplasty - canthopexy. If subtle, the deformity is best ignored; if more noticeable, surgical revision may be undertaken.
• Drooping upper eyelid: Blepharoplasty may "unveil" a pre-existing but unrecognized drooping upper eyelid (that is, not a baggy lid but one that rides too low), a condition known as "ptosis". Less commonly, injury to the levator muscle and tendon (aponeurosis) may cause ptosis to appear in a previously healthy levator system. Mild ptosis after blepharoplasty is not rare and may persist for several weeks to months. If the condition does not resolve with time, exploratory surgery may be indicated.
• Fat necrosis: Due to surgical manipulation, pea-sized ares of fat may die over the first few weeks, turn hard or rubbery, and become tender to touch. Massage may hasten resolution but only if healing if far enough along and the manuever has been approved by your surgeon.
• Swelling on the eyeball surface: Collection of post-surgical inflammatory fluid (edema) or temporary disruption of lymphatic drainage (chemosis) may cause swelling on the eye surface that is uncomfortable and cosmetically frustrating. It is not rare and has been reported in over 10% of patients undergoing skin-incision lower blepharoplasty. Nearly all cases resolve within three weeks to three months. Chronic chemosis persisting six months or more may occur rarely and is of unknown cause. Lubrication, medicated eye drops, patching, and passing time are generally curative.
• Injury to the lacrimal system: If the main tear-producing gland is injured, prolonged swelling in the outer portion of upper eyelid may persist for several weeks. No additional surgery is required. Injury to the drainage canal ("canalicular laceration") is rare but requires immediate repair by an ophthalmologist.
• Double vision: If the muscles that move the eyeball are injured or scarring occurs in the fat surrounding the eye muscles, temporary or permanent double vision may result. The most vulnerable muscles are the superior and inferior oblique muscles and the inferior rectus muscle, all of which course within or near the fat of the eyelids. Attempt at correction of any resulting double vision ("diplopia") may require the services of an ophthalmologist specializing in eye muscle surgery ("strabismus surgery specialist")
• Loss of vision: Very mild reduction of vision following blepharoplasty is not uncommon and is usually due to swelling, excessive tearing and mucus production, and/or secondary to ointments or drops used after surgery. “

If you select a very well trained an experienced plastic surgeon and the procedure is performed in an accredited facility, you will greatly reduce the possibility of complications, but unfortunately cannot eliminate it completely. I don’t want to sound pessimistic but rather realistic. It is life. Everything in life has tradeoffs. You have to consider what you will gain and what you will loose. I personally, had to consider a possible dry eye complication, as at this time I was the most familiar of. Currently, I have dry eyes and incomplete eye closure. The first one is taken care with eye drops. The second…I waited for almost three weeks to contact Dr. H as I hoped it would have resolved bu itself and finally I emailed him about my issues. He called me back the very next day. We had a long conversation about my recovery and what should I do to improve it. One of the advices is massaging scars at least 5-10 min a couple of times daily in addition to slight stretching. Dr.H assured me that it is a transient complication and it will be resolved with time. I believe it’s just a matter of time… If you have any concerns, don't hesitate to contact Dr. H as he is a very caring person.
I will keep you posted about my progress. I am going to upload a few pics from my iPhone as well

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May 25, 2016
I heard that people that have this problem they actually tape their eye closed because the more it continues to not close properly, the more dry eye you will have. I am so sorry you had this and I hope it resolves. I had my upper bleph 10 years ago and I remember I had dry eye for 2 months after surgery even if my eyelids close properly. I criticized my surgeon then because I thought he had been too conservative but now I understand. Now my upper eyelids are low again after 10 years due to aging and lowering of my brows. I looking to have a browlift instead but still afraid to have dry eye again. Think about the tape idea, talk to your Ophthalmologist and I will keep you in my prayers.
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May 26, 2016
Friendly, thank you very much for sharing your story. I had PRK ( photo refractive keratectomy) eye surgery and had dry eyes for a while…it's not new to me...unpleasant, but manageable with eyedrops. Ointment at night time works well too. I work in a hospital and when I am "on call" I cannot use it as it takes time to get rid of that blurry vision it gives you. I have to be in the hospital within 15 min and tape or patch is more convenient during those days. I hope it will resolve in a couple of months. Thanks for your support.
May 26, 2016
I am so sorry again, I was following you because I wanted to have surgery with dr. Harley (face/neck lift) but now I am scare, I know there are no perfect doctors or perfect surgeries but we try to find the ones that do not make this kind of mistakes. Maybe you should take some days off because your eyes are important and may be if you use the patch/tape for 48 hours things will improve. In any case I will send you postive vibes. From my part I am having second thoughts about dr. Harley, also after what happened to lionwoman's results. Don't know anymore.
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May 28, 2016
Friendly, thanks for positive vibes... I need it now. I wish it would be so easy. you are getting impression that I work 24/7… no, only 3/12. I just had 7 days off and spent it our cabin in mountains and of course I had a tape and everything I needed for recovery during that time. The most common mistake, people read that somebody went back to work after eye lid surgery in 10-14 days and that's it. In reality, it takes months to heal. I hope it will get better with time…As for you, you have to trust your doctor and if you don't than take more time or more research…you have a privilege to choose. I wish you the best.
May 28, 2016
I will do more research, thank you for your wise words. I know the eyelids take a long time, I had dry eye at least for 3 months, so we just have to be patient. I am glad your are taking time off. I will keep searching for a doctor I can trust.
July 2, 2016
Thank you for sharing this very important information. It is important for us not to forget the potential risks of any surgery.
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July 12, 2016
Very useful information. I appreciate it.