I had minor hernia surgery done by Dr. Isik 2 1/2 years ago. He said he could make an almost 20 year old surgery scar look better so we did that at the same time as the hernia surgery. I am so grateful for Dr. Isik for fixing that horrible scar. It was on my belly and I had to look at it every day. Now it looks great and I even bought a bikini swimsuit. Dr. Isik was a very kind and gentle doctor. Surgery in his office was a positive experience. I felt supported and cared for by him and his team. I would highly recommend him as a surgeon.
I had a BR 8 years ago after thinking about it forever. Although I'm now over 50, II'm still thrilled with the results. Scars have completely disappeared, and after healing my breasts look completely natural-although much firmer and higher than before. Dr Isik is a well trained, careful and skilled surgeon. I recommend him to everyone who asks.
Like most ladies on this site, I've read a lot of reviews, looked at endless before and after pictures, gone back and forth and back again about having this surgery, and have started writing this review more than once... So, I'm going to spare the big long story and just tell you the facts according to me - in bullet format. Who doesn't like a list of personal confessions about boobs?!! Here's mine: * I'm 33 years old, 5'5", weigh 205lbs, and wear a 36G bra. * I don't hate my boobs. I just hate how much they weigh. * I've wanted breast reduction since I found out about it at age 16, but I've always put it off for one reason or another. Life gets in the way sometimes. * My back, shoulders, and neck hurt all day - every day. I have given myself stomach ulcers because of all the ibuprofen I've taken for the pain. * I had my Insurance Consultation with my surgeon on 12/12/12. The doctor was comforting, reassuring, and everything I could ask for in a PS. He even wears a bow tie. Yes: A bow tie! He sat down with me and discussed my expectations, the technique he would use, and the likely outcome of the surgery. He told me I was a great candidate and would likely be able to get insurance coverage for medical necessity. He took measurements, then decided how much tissue would need to be removed from each breast. Finally he took "before" pictures of my front and side, then sent me to speak with his surgery coordinator. She answered any billing questions I had and got the ball rolling with insurance approval. We talked about losing weight and she encouraged me to lose 20lbs by the time I have my procedure. Then I was on my way to start the waiting game. * My surgeon estimates that he'll need to remove 600ccs from each breast. That's volume. I have no idea how much that's gonna weigh. I hope it comes out to 15lbs of tissue off my chest. Hey! A girl can dream. * I met with my PCP on 12/21/12 to get a letter of medical necessity for my insurance. I'm a little (I lied. I'm a LOT) OCD, so I basically wrote the letter myself and asked her to sign it. haha! It included what kind of pain/symptoms I've had from my overly large breasts (back/shoulder/neck pain, shoulder grooving, skin irritation, etc), how long I've had these symptoms, treatments I've tried (ibuprofen, physical therapy, massage, chiro, etc), how long I've tried them, effectiveness of these treatments, and why breast reduction is a necessary step to resolve my symptoms. She's all for this surgery and found my "taking initiative" with the letter to be charming, so she happily rewrote the letter in her own words and forwarded a copy to me and my PS. Hooray! * On 2/18/13, I got the green light from my insurance! I made my boobs give each other a high five to celebrate. God, I really hope I can't do that after surgery. * I scheduled surgery for 5/9/13 and kicked my weight loss mission into high gear. At the time of my consult, I weighed 235. I've lost 30lbs since Dec '12. * I had my pre-op mammogram on 4/11/13. I had to get one because of my prior history of fibroadenoma. My doc wanted to be cautious. I wanted to crawl under a rock. Mammograms suck. * I have been eating "clean" since I got approved for surgery. This means, very limited refined carbohydrates, no fast food, very little eating out, no dairy (I'm super lactose intolerant), no gluten, lots of fruits and vegetables, and lean meats. I've also been doing yoga every morning and walking every evening. I feel fantastic and plan to keep it up during recovery. * At age 11, I went from flat to C over one summer and became the least popular girl in my 6th grade class. * By age 14, I was a 34DD, and was the most popular girl in my 9th grade class...weird. * To play soccer I wear an underwire bra, underneath a sports bra, underneath a tightly wrapped Ace bandage. That's just so my boobs don't bounce around and dislocate my shoulder during a game - again. Yes, this has happened before. Multiple times. During multiple games. I've had shoulder reconstruction because of it. I am so excited to be able to run with out all this "support". * My posture sucks. Hunch. Hunch. Hunch. * I wear deodorant and baby powder underneath and between my boobs to avoid the "fromunda cheese". It works most of the time. * Sometimes when I go to the movie theater, I get popcorn stuck in my cleavage. It itches. * My best party trick involves me sticking a bottle of beer in my cleavage and bending over backwards so that it pours into my mouth. I'm gonna have to find a new party trick. * Boyfriends have always loved my boobs and girl friends have always been envious. I wish I could detach them from my chest and give them away. "Here, knock yourself out, but be careful not to poke an eye out!" * My sister is flat as a board. We have always joked about doing a "breast donation operation" to even out the difference. I still wish that was an option. Sorry sis! * My pre-op appointment is tomorrow. I can't wait. I'm up late because I can't stop thinking about it. I'm still trying to figure out a way to broach the subject of the "breast donation operation" with my PS. * I have attached some before pics. I just hope I remember to post more pics as I go... Updated on 17 Apr 2013: I had my pre-op appointment today. It went really well! The doctor answered my questions about size, shape and appearance after surgery. He is thinking I'll be a full C when all is said and done. I don't know why I thought he was taking 600cc from each breast. His original estimate was 500cc from one side and 450cc from the other. So, I'm not sure where I got 600 from! Haha. Even after losing weight, his estimate is the same since I really don't lose weight from my breasts. Yay! Anyway, I told him my fears (side boob, "dog ears", disproportionately sized nipples, nipples that point out or down, and the dreaded "square boob") and he gently smiled and put my fears to rest. He reassured me that we would have a very aesthetic result. After that, I spent the rest of my time with his nurse going over the pre-op checklist. I work for a surgeon, so most of it was very familiar. But she made sure not to skip or miss anything. And she reminded me to use common sense when it comes to home care. Apparently, a lot of people don't think about pre-preparing meals and snacks so they're easily microwaved; avoiding infection by regularly changing and cleaning bed linens, only using bath towels and wash cloths once per shower, and only wearing clothing one time before washing; avoiding injury or infection by keeping pets off the bed; and taking it easy during the weeks following surgery. I assured her that I've got it on lock...mostly because I've seen too many people fail during their post-surgical phase for being non-compliant, because they have no common sense. She was wonderful and answered so many questions. We talked about my support system and where to go if I need help. I've got my best friend and sister taking turns taking care of me, so I feel like I'm in good hands after surgery. And if we run into any complications, I can call someone 24/7 if needed. I've got 3 weeks to go and I'm feeling ready. If there's any words of wisdom or advice for quick and speedy recovery, I'd love to hear them. Thank you for the kind words so far. I'm so grateful for this community and the opportunity to share my experience. Updated on 27 Apr 2013: Less than two weeks to go! I've been getting a little weird. My best friend thinks I'm nuts, but it's helping to calm my nerves and keep me from freaking out. Here's what I've been up to in preparation for surgery: * Testing out my post-op pillow nest and different configurations for optimal TV viewing, sleeping and eating. *Re-arranging my living room and kitchen to make everything be at hip level for easy access. My apartment now resembles an elderly person's rehab facility. *Getting my Netflix and HULU queues all set up for post-op viewing and borrowing as many video games as my nerdy friends will lend me. I am ready to veg out til my brain rots! *Training myself to sleep on my back, which is horrible because I am not a back sleeper. So I've been practicing a lot of guided relaxation, which is very...relaxing. *Training my dog to stay off the bed. He doesn't like it and neither do I. So far, we've spent a lot of time staring at each other until I give in and let him up on the bed for a snuggle in the end. He always wins. Too bad this means he'll probably have to go away for a few days after the surgery. :( *Cleaning out my closet and saying goodbye to all of my favorite boobie shirts. I went out for a Last Hurrah with the girls last night and wore my all time favorite low cut boobie shirt. One of my friends actually got teary eyed about it and hugged my boobs then took a picture of them. lol Apparently this is going to be harder for her than it is for me! *Talking to people at work about it because my time off has finally been posted on the staff calendar and people have been asking me why I'll be gone for two weeks. lol Well, now they know! I'm pretty sure they would've noticed my substantially smaller chest when I came back anyway! haha *Seeing - and feeling - other women's results in person! I've had several women show me their results since they've heard about my upcoming surgery! One, even pulled me into a room, pulled up her shirt and put my hand on her breast so I could feel her scars. If she wasn't a nurse who was showing me something in such a clinical, sterile way, I'm sure it would've made for good [RS bleep]! haha Aside from all that, I've been doing everything my surgeon told me to do: keep eating healthy, exercising regularly, getting good sleep, no alcohol, no smoking, no blood thinners or weirdo herbal supplements etc. I've gotten the Rx's filled that they gave me. I've got Arnica Montana and Bromelain. I've got paper tape, gauze pads, and sterile dressings for days. I've got bacitracin. I've got my post-op bras. And I've got my post-op support in place. All I have to do now is wait...Eeeek... I just hope I don't get any weirder!! haha! Updated on 9 May 2013: Had my procedure this morning with Dr. Isik. He is amazing and his staff is truly wonderful. I'm at home resting in my pillow fort. My best friend is taking care of me and she's been wonderful. I couldn't ask for more. Thanks for all the support and well wishes, ladies! I'll post some post-op pics soon! Updated on 13 May 2013: It's Monday morning and I'm 5 days post-op. Sorry I haven't done much updating or picture posting, ladies! I've been doing really well, much better than I thought I would be at this point. I've been sleeping a lot and trying to make the most of my time off work by seeing friends and family I don't usually get to see. They've all been so supportive and excited to see my results that its been a big boost during this time of healing. I've also been drinking a lot of fluids and getting in as much walking as I can. Today, I can see and feel the swelling going down. There's definitely some bruising, but I've been taking the Arnca Montana and Bromelain religiously, so I'm sure those are reducing it substantially. My pain level is well managed (0-1), and my drains have barely anything in them. I'm feeling pretty good about my recovery so far! I took my first shower yesterday and included some pics from that, as well as when I first got home from surgery. The doc said he took about 475 from the left breast and 550 from the right. Since he took significantly more from the right, it's been more swollen and has drained more than the left, but both seem to be healing up just fine! Steri Strips are still on and so are the drains. Hoping both will come off by mid-week: patience is a virtue! Anyway, cheers ladies! Let me know what you think. Updated on 16 May 2013: Hey all! Little post-op update: Drains came out yesterday. Incisions look good. I've been getting lots of rest, icing, catching up on tons of shows, walking more every day and feeling better and better as the days go by. I'm down to 1-2 pain pills per day, mostly as needed for breakthrough pain. I've had barely any bruising and tge swelling has gone down quite a bit. I've added a few new pics. It's crazy to see how much they've changed already! Updated on 31 May 2013: I had my post op appt with Dr Isik at the 2 week mark on last Weds 5/22. I'm healing well and things are looking good. There was a bit of concern over the T junction under my left breast. That one has opened up a tiny bit (see pictures), but it has a little more tension on it than the right one. So, I've been watching it and it seems to be healing up ok. My nipples are finally healing up. Yay! Those have been the most painful part of the healing process. I'll just need to keep taping my incisions/scars and taking good care of myself and all should be well. I'm sooooo excited to increase my activity, exercize, vacuum, dance, etc. Updated on 8 Jun 2013: It's officially been a month. Everything's feeling good. My left underboob is slowly healing up at the T junction and all the other incisions are doing well. My left breast has dropped nicely, but my right one is taking a little longer. Dr. Isik told me that would be the case...but I'm reeeeeally hoping is catches up soon! Haha
My surgeon was rated a "top surgeon in Seattle." And still, it only takes a fraction of an inch for this surgery to go wrong. Mine wasn't right. And now 5 weeks later my surgeon is re-doing one eye. I'm not sure I love the other eye's results either. My only advice would be to research a LOT of surgeons and be VERY sure you are so dissatisfied with how your eyes are now that any improvement is better than what you live with. If not, I wouldn't recommend it. The risk is too high (it is your face--your eyes--after all). Updated on 31 Oct 2012: If I had really considered the risk, I probably wouldn't have had this done. It's not like my incision is heinous. It's not a horrible, obvious procedure gone wrong, one for malpractice suits and scary stories. But this is my eye, my face. It doesn't have to be. It only takes a millimeter or two out of line. The ever-so-slightly off angle of incision or -- after healing -- the resulting shapes of the eyes being barely detectably off. Not quite right. You know what I mean, when you look at someone and you can just...tell. Something isn't right there. That's how I feel now every day, and I suspect I will even when the incision on my right eye -- which still isn't right -- is finally fixed. I wonder if I'll ever be comfortable with how my eyes look again. I sure hope so. Maybe in a few years I'll go to another doctor and see if I can get it made better, but for now, I just want the obvious bulged scar to be taken away, the natural slope of my inner eyelid returned to "normal," and I want to not be thinking about this every single day anymore. If I'd known two months ago what I know now, that this "EASY" "ROUTINE" procedure could cause me so much grief, and that I'd wish for my old eyes back again, I never would have done it. I hope someday I feel good again about my eyes -- one part of my anatomy I often was complemented on, but just wanted a tiny lift for. Easy. Routine. How often do we not realize what we have until its gone? Updated on 7 Jan 2013: Four months after the first surgery, and two months after the second surgery, I've had a third minor surgery to remove a small cyst that formed in my incision area. When my surgeon cut it open, thinking it would be a scar tissue cluster, it disappeared -- apparently actually a fluid cyst. Two sutures and out, and for the first time I look in the mirror and can actually imagine that I am going to look normal soon. It has been a lot of stress, and I have been an "outlier" case for sure, but I am looking forward to the stitches coming out in a couple of days and being back to "normal" soon. I actually believe it might be the case this time. Phew. Updated on 23 Oct 2013: One of my best features has always been my eyes. But at 44 years old I felt I had too much skin drooping, and based on my family's lids, it would only be getting worse. I've had three surgeries on my right eye by one of the top-rated surgeons in Seattle. The first one went wrong. He cut too high and you could see the incision well above the crease. He wanted to do to again to fix it, so after about 3 months I had surgery again. This time he brought the incision down so it is less visible. Unfortunately, with all the new scar tissues and who knows what else, a cyst formed under the incision and I had to undergo a third surgery to remove the cyst. That was last January or February. There isn't a day that doesn't go by where I don't stress over my eye and how it looks. Hiding the still visible scar tissue and unnatural skin pulling with makeup. Hoping the jagged ski along my lid isn't noticeable, despite the fact that I see it every time I look in the mirror. That the fat pockets in the corner aren't too noticeable -- or should I have them removed as he suggested, which would require general anesthesia and both eyes again. I'm tormented and sad that my procedure would be the exception to so many success stories, but I'm not sure what to do now. Afraid of making it worse. I'm inclined to wait a few years and visit a new doctor to start all over. Meanwhile I live each day looking at my eyes and believing that on some level people are looking at me wondering what is isn't *just quite right.* I've said before: if you want this you better really have something to change be because these are your EYES, and there's really no going back. Updated on 22 Feb 2014: I had the first surgery in September of 2012, then two more by January 2013. One to fix a messy incision and the third to remove a cyst that had formed under the incision. It has been more than a year, and I think it looks terrible. Attached are some pictures, in varying degrees of makeup. You can see that not only does my eyelid line look messy (for lack of a better word) where the incision was, there is a second plane of my eyelid now (not just a crease) and an awkward/obvious scar line that pulls from my middle lid down to the corner of my eye. There is also a tiny bit too much fat left in there, so it puckers every so slightly, and a very subtle uplift of my eyelashes, so the underside of my eyelid beneath my eyelashes is every so slightly more visible than the other one now. I am upset and self-conscious about the unnatural appearance of all of this every day. I would really like to talk to a surgeon who can give me some objective feedback about my options. I know surgeons generally promote more surgery, but I am hoping someone can give me a truly objective assessment as to whether surgery can improve how this looks or if this is as good as it is going to get. As you might imagine, I am very worried about making it worse, or changing my eyes even more so they "appear" like I've "had some work done." I don't want the plastic cat lady eyes, stretched back and obviously not natural. My wish is there is way to just make this better and I have to believe that if I were a Hollywood celebrity or someone in an accident, there would be surgeons with the skills to make my eye look normal again. I look forward to your thoughts.
Just like many on here, I've had large breasts since I was about 12/13. In 6th grade I was a C cup and by high school I was a DD. I have always been on the curvy side but when I was in high school I lost about 30lbs and my breasts never got smaller. They continued to grow and grow, and this past year I lost 30 lbs again and they didn't change. I go to a chiropractor weekly. I spill out of my very expensive bras. Nothing fits correctly. Because I'm so short, my breasts almost cover my entire torso. My back aches and arches. My bras dig into my shoulders. I'm always in pain and I feel like people pay far more attention to my breasts than I'd like. I get rashes under each breasts. The list goes on and on and I'm ready to change things! As a matter of fact, I was approved for a breast reduction when I was 16 but then our family moved suddenly and insurance changed - and I haven't followed through on a consultation until now. My surgery is for December 1st and I am SO EXCITED for the special "Christmas gift" from my insurance company. Slightly nervous - worried about nipple sensation and breasts feeding, but I am honestly so happy this is finally happening that I'm more excited than anything else. Updated on 15 Nov 2015: This is my life. I'm always readjusting - probably every 15 mins or so. When I don't, this is the result. Updated on 19 Nov 2015: Hi everyone! So, my significant other admitted to me that he's really dreading surgery. It's making him anxious because my breasts will look different and he has a discomfort with scars - he received skid bet transplant and the situation left him pretty scarred. Okay, bad joke. But it did and now he's worried about my breasts. Did anyone else have a similar situation? I can tell it's really bothering him and he doesn't want things to change, but I'm definitely not going to change my plans... Any ideas for combatting this? Updated on 23 Nov 2015: I am so excited! Updated on 25 Nov 2015: I'm pretty well proportioned, but I am still so so so excited for surgery next week. Not too nervous, just a few last minute jitters. But mostly excitement. Updated on 26 Nov 2015: Happy thanksgiving from Seattle! I am so thankful that I'm able to have this procedure after 9 years of waiting. I'm nervous, hoping I won't be out of proportion. But very excited and looking forward to having some mobility, looking better in clothes, less back and neck pain, premier breasts, and no more rashes and smelly stuff under my breasts! Who else was worried about proportions? I'm 5'2", 160lb, 34H, and I wear a size 12 pants. Anyone else with similar proportions have some input? SUPER DUPER EXCITED! Updated on 1 Dec 2015: Hey everyone, everything went smoothly and in feeling great so far. They look so small and I'm excited to see how they fall and develop over the next few weeks and months. Before and after! Updated on 3 Dec 2015: Hi everyone! Wow, it's crazy that this passed already. The recovery has been so amazing, I feel like I should already be back at work. The worst part is that my sleep is messed up and the pain meds make me itch. Other than that, I am already off of the pain meds and and I take 3-4 ibuprofen every 4-5 hours. In a few hours I am going to get help showering from my mom and I'll get to see my new boobies for the first time! Doctor was saying they would be a D, but once I was out I was told large C. He ended up having to take out more than he expected. In total 2.7 lbs were taken off my tiny body! The night before: So, the night before my mom and I went to Lane Bryant to get fitted for a bra to be sure about what my before size was. I was wearing the wrong band size - so I wasn't an H, I was a 36 F. Once I wore I bra that actually fit, I was shocked that my boobs looked EVEN BIGGER. I looked even more odd and out of proportion than I had originally thought. So yeah, that was an interesting discovery. The morning and day of surgery: Fasted until midnight, then could only drink water until 5am. No lozenges, gum, etc. My mom and I woke up at 5:30 and I took my second hibiclens shower. I got dressed in a loose button up shirt, sweatpants, and NO BRA. It was super weird to go into public without a bra. We arrived at the office at 7 for my 7:15 check up (surgery at 8). My dad drove from his place an hour away to be supportive and be there in case anything went wrong. My mom, dad, and I waited in the waiting room until I was called back. My mom came with me - I got undressed, marked up by the doc, and then the anesthesiologist came in to talk to me about how everything was going to work. I had an epidural, not general anesthesia - because apparently the side effects are much less, and I wouldn't feel as poopy when I woke up. At 7:45 I said goodbye to my parents and walked with the nurses to the operating room. This sounds so weird to say - but it was a beautiful room! floor to ceiling windows on two sides, sun coming up over the cascade mountains. I could also see Mt. Rainier! They laid me in the bed which had already been warmed, and the anesthesiologist came over to put my IV in. This was the annoying part - it took 6 times before my IV would go in! It absolutely wasn't her fault, but it did hurt and I just wanted my veins to cooperate! I'm still sore, swollen, and bruised in the places where they tried to hook me up to the IV. Once the IV was in, I was given something to help me relax. I don't remember much after that - just leaning forward for my epidural, but I don't even remember getting the epidural. Next thing I know, I was being woken up in the recovery room and I was in a goofy little recliner. I was so happy and goofy - it was so funny! I drank some water, asked some questions about my size and they told me I would be a C. The doc told me D, so I was a bit sad for a moment, but decided to trust his professional opinion. We'll see what happens! They wheeled me to the car and I was soooo cold. I was shaking and shivering, even with blankets on. They got me in the car and we drove to me and my mom's place. As soon as we got home, my dad went out and bought our favorite salad from a local Italian place and I was able to eat everything just fine. I still have not needed to take nausea medicine or alter my diet. I just eat healthy foods and lots of water, but it's not like I've had to stick to soup or applesauce like some people have. Things have been easy so far - knock on wood! The pain meds make me itch, make it hard for me to sleep, and I get dizzy when I try to read a book or anything on my phone. So I've been a little bored, but I am so happy that I'm not in pain that I don't mind at all that I'm bored. I'm excited to see my boobies in about 5 hours! Shower time! I'm just realllllllly hoping they're not too small. Updated on 3 Dec 2015: It was a surreal experience to see them. I really felt like they were too small, but once they drop I think they'll be great. I c an feel my torso.... I can feel parts of my body that I've never felt before. It's nuts! No pain. Easy shower. Let's see what happens next! Updated on 5 Dec 2015: I know, I know - I keep updating but I'm just so darn HAPPY that I can't help it! The first few days the pain meds were making me depressed and I was having some body dysmorphia issues - I felt like my boobs were too small and I made a mistake. Now that I'm only taking 3 ibuprofen every 4-5 hours, I'm feeling so much better and I'm ELATED thus far. Dr. Isik did an amazing job and I'm glad I trusted his professional opinion. That being said - I don't want to get carried away - there's still plenty of room for things to go wrong. But so far so good!!! I haven't had constipation or nausea issues, which shocks me because I'm usually really sensitive to those kinds of meds, resulting in me being super nauseated and constipated. This is an amazing experience so far, u just wish this nasty cold would be gone! If you guys wanna follow some of my posts in Instagram, feel free to @ sandywhittington. Best! Updated on 8 Dec 2015: I love these ladies more by the day. Updated on 11 Dec 2015: I'm feeling like they're too small. I have huge hips and I feel as if I would've preferred of the doc gave me D's like he said. But is it just me? Please be honest, don't worry about hurting my feelings! Updated on 14 Dec 2015: Just found these pics from my heaviest weight in August of 2014. Even after I lost weight my boobs did get smaller, but not by much! Can't believe I used to lug Jose bad boys around..... Updated on 18 Dec 2015: Smells funny, hurts some. Doc thinks it's fine but I'll see him Monday. Did what he said and cut off gross parts of tape and applied antibiotic ointment and fresh gauze. I'm a little freaked out, but I think it'll be okay... Updated on 21 Jan 2016: It's been a while - sorry about that! Life's been crazy busy! Anyway, it appeared that I had an infection (see previous post). Doctor seemed really concerned with redness and swelling... I was also in a little bit of pain, so he put me on antibiotics right away. Since I'm really sensitive to antibiotics, I held off on taking them for a day or two and in the meantime I took natural supplements and used creams... But it wasn't getting better quick enough, so I took the darn meds. I'm glad I did... Things got better! Although to be honest, it was just as red in the end... Anyway, will add more to this later ^^^ the antibiotics really messed me up, will touch on that, and the sight and smell of my wounds as well. Definitely important. Now I'm almost 2 months post op (wow, I can't believe it!) and I'm still happy. I'm feeling great this week and i think it's one of the best decisions I've made, but I do feel slightly out of proportion sometimes .... I am really trying to lose weight, but i am having trouble. anyway, running and exercise are a breeze now - and I am no longer restricted at all, so yay! Lots of exercise!!! More later ! Updated on 4 Feb 2016: Hi everyone! Things are great. The new boobs feel so normal now.... And my boyfriend is LOVING them, despite his initial hesitations. Ps: my SO is in NY and this is from a webcam session today. May seem a bit awkward but I've never seen them from that angle! Wooooohoooooo!
