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Breast Reduction 31yr Old Size 34DD - San Jose, CA

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I have known since I was ~14 years old and a 32C...

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JoysofWomanhood
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I have known since I was ~14 years old and a 32C that I would someday need a breast reduction, and here we are! At 5'8" and 125 lbs I am carrying a full size 34DD/34DDD set of breasts, and ready for some relief! My shoulders ache daily from my bra straps, my neck/back worry me that I will be a hunchback old lady from having my center of gravity shifting my posture inward/over. I try to maintain regular workouts but know my limitations (no running) because of the weight of my breasts. Not to mention the psychological impact that having large breasts have had over the last decade of my life! I am ready to make this happen, I have really done my research in the last year and done a handful of virtual consultations and in person consultations to find the right plastic surgeon. I've been working with a plastic surgeon that I thought would be great since last June, 2014. They were helping me seek insurance coverage from Cigna, but it has been denied and the appeal also denied. Frustrated with the doctor's office's lack of response/follow up/follow through (I mean, we have been working on this for 9 months! Certainly not because Cigna takes THAT long!) I decided to seek another plastic surgeon's opinion. The doctor thinks I fall into this category that insurance will not recognize, because I am not "overweight" enough for the schnur scale. The doctor said that if I were shorter, coverage would be a no brainer. But because of my frame size, they think I am just in need of a lift and not suffering from the weight of things. Let's mention that the Schnur scale was invented in the 1980's, and is still in full play with ALL MAJOR INSURANCES today. So a decision tree invented 25+ years ago is what is determining my breast reduction coverage in 2015. Mind blowing, huh? In addition to this, we got the last doctors notes and discovered what was submitted to the insurance company was not comprehensive enough and so we are trying one last time, with an appeal to Cigna's external review board. I will let you know how that goes!!! I have done a lot of research before having this procedure. It is so important to do your research on something so big!! This site has helped me a lot. Something that I really can't get over is how the insurance companies have structured their determination of coverage. It is incredibly dated. Anthem BC BS, Cigna, etc are all following the same set of standards (hoops really) for covering the procedure. The #1 thing that I think is complete and utter crap from them is that they will not consider any mental/emotional turmoil in determining if you need this procedure. For me those are just as difficult things to deal with as the physical problems my large breasts present. How can they demean all that us women have been through by stating they won't even consider looking at that information - so don't even present it or mention it to your plastic surgeon? I can't understand why mental health is not important. As far as I can tell the insurance companies just go by the Schnur Sliding Scale and mark off that you have complaints of some back pain and then make a determination. For anyone who's body is unique and can't be well represented on a scale, well, tough cookies! You get to pay for your procedure out of pocket! I would love for a lawyer to take on these insurance giants and fight for new governing of breast reduction coverage to bring this decision tree up to 2015 and out of the dark ages!!!

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March 17, 2015
on my third appeal, I wrote a long letter about all of the things that I had done. I included all records...massage, chiropractor, pharmacy, and bra fittings and receipts. On my third appeal, it was approved. If not, i was going to have the surgery, make sure they took enough tissue to meet insurance guidelines and then resubmit, if denied I'd have consulted a lawyer. Why not? Good luck!
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March 19, 2015
WOW that is great you kept on trying and it worked out well for you! I like your idea to keep trying even after the fact! Exactly, why not try? Thanks, keeping my fingers crossed that 3rd time is a charm!
March 26, 2015
And isn't it absolutely ridiculous that you have to do any of that since physical therapy, pain pills and chiropractors cannot CURE large breasts? When I got rejected by my insurance company after the fact, I received one of the most patronizing, demeaning form letters this side of the 1950's, asking me to document whether I did things like consider wearing bras with extra wide straps. Because, duh, that never would have occurred to me without Anthem suggesting it....my tiny little lady brain was too occupied with trying to ram my 36 H's into Victoria's Secret shelf bras. I think they also asked if I took over the counter pain meds because of the excruciating back aches I got every day...which, of course not! Obviously it would never occur to me on my own to do something proactive to make myself feel better. I wonder if other types of surgeries require this much tap dancing.
March 26, 2015
I completely agree with you. My secondary insurance backed out AFTER my surgery because my surgeon had decided to not listen to me and remove as much mass as I wanted her to. Apparently, in addition to the other hoops they make women jump through for breast reduction, some companies also require a certain amount of excised tissue in order to be convinced that your surgery was necessary in the first place. I lost all of my appeals because of this so was on the hook for everything the primary didn't cover. Which was kind of a lot.
March 28, 2015
I was worried about the exact same thing! I'm a 32G/H and I'm 5'7'' and have a normal BMI so I was very worried I would not be be approved. My plastic surgeon really fights for his patients and I just got my approval letter last week, after fully expecting to be denied! Keep on trying!
March 29, 2015
Have you seen your insurance policy with the number of grams removed needed for your body surface? Your BSA really isn't that high even though you're tall (I got 1.7 by your numbers) so I think you would be able to meet the number of grams. With my insurance it would have been 370 or more for you on the schnur scale. Sometimes docs don't commit to the right number and get denied. My doc didn't think that mine would approve the 338 because it is a small number, but because that was the exact number for my BSA of 1.65 they did. I actually ended up having more removed than that. Are you being refused because they are asking for too few grams or lack of symptoms/treatment attempts?
May 7, 2015
I am so glad I found you. I am just like you. I am in my mid 30s, no kids, weigh 1114 lbs and carry around 34DD/34DDD. I can;t run and as a dancer...well they are in the way. I have chronic neck and shoulder pain and I just do not like them at all... Let me know how your journey goes.
UPDATED FROM JoysofWomanhood
4 months pre

Photos! 34DD waiting for insurance to approve Breast Reduction

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This site has been so helpful for me, I don't want to hold back in sharing because I know how much we get out of hearing each others stories, so I am posting my "before" photos. Excuse the tan lines, wow they are bad! I'm 5'8" and in the pictures about 125lbs (Today I'm about 5 lbs heavier, how did that happen...). My right breast has always been slightly smaller, a 34DD, and my left breast is a 34DDD -- they get squished into a 34DD! I always have a little oozing over the top of my bra on the left side :) My initial plastic surgeon I thought I'd be going to said that they would also do a little lipo right at the breast/underarm area, where if my arms are down you can see a little fat on each side. I guess that is also in part breast tissue.

I really want to be a small breasted person, with little boobs! So done with big boobs! The worst part for me is always the shoulder/neck pain. At the end of the day my shoulders can't take the weight of my bra straps trying to hold all this up! Oh, anddddd....under boob sweat. It is incredibly embarrassing! I'm in the habit of powdering the area after a shower to keep it dry!!!

I have had "boob envy" for so long over friends who are small! However, it is so hard to imagine what it will look like on yourself, so I find myself searching on here to see if I can find someone of the same height/weight/desired bra size and get a visual of what it looks like! I told my PS I would like to be a medium sized B cup, which he said is possible!! Now could all the 5'8" 130lb 34 B cup ladies please stand up?? J/k :) If anyone has suggestions on how to decide what size is right for you, let me know! I really feel it is a B cup, but I haven't known what it felt like to have B's since my very early teens!

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March 25, 2015
I am 5 days post op! My dr thinks I will be a b cup after sees one goes down. I am however much shorter than you and slightly heavier. So far I love the size. They are so small and perky. I already look way smaller. Good luck eith approval!
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March 27, 2015
I LOVE your results, you look great! Exactly what I'm thinking I want.
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March 27, 2015
Thank you! I also love the results! I'm hoping to get these dressings off soon so I can get a look at the incision lines and nipple size/placement.
March 26, 2015
I hope you are able to schedule the surgery soon. Mine was last Friday and I had immediate relief of back and shoulder pain. Started at a 38DDD and had 1300 removed. I had some asymmetry and they look Like a pair now. Good luck to you! I wish i had done this years ago.
March 26, 2015
I should add that I am taller, too. It looks like I will be a large b or small c. I am going to try to post some clothed pics soon.
March 26, 2015
Definitely not a B cup anymore but just wanted to pass along some advice. I had been a B for most of my life until around menopause when a last bit of hormonal surge caused my breast tissue to expand tremendously leaving me with 36 H cups. I wanted my breasts reduced to the size I always was and was comfortable with and communicated this to my doctor repeatedly. I thought we were on the same page but, after I woke up in the recovery room, I discovered this wasn't the case. She apparently didn't listen or care what I wanted for my own body. As a result, I am now facing a second surgery with a different doctor that will have to come entirely out of my own pocket. I strongly urge you to get pictures of celebrities, athletes or friends with the size and shape of breasts you want and make sure your doctor is completely on board with what YOU want.
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March 27, 2015
Excellent advice, thank you! I will work on a photo portfolio to show the PS examples of what I want. I did that once for a haircut/color because I was tired of getting disappointed with my hair stylists!
September 17, 2016
Thanks for this advice!
March 29, 2015
I am so sorry to hear you have to go through all of this! I am also petite, and the Schnur scale wouldn't work for me. I've heard that Cigna can be really difficult to get procedures of all kinds through. If you are rejected on this round, my recommendation is to go to the California Board of Insurance and appeal your case there. Also, you may wish to include some of the research that's come out about smaller women benefiting just as much from breast reductions of less than 500g per breast. You may also wish to include the research showing that Schnur himself said his research was wrong.
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April 2, 2015
Thanks Morgan, good idea on including the research! I'm currently having an external insurance review board look at my appeal. Hoping for the best! :-)
April 3, 2015
Me too! Sending good thoughts.
April 3, 2015
Here's a link for one of the articles. http://nyp.org/news/hospital/smaller-breast-reduction-surgeries.html
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April 2, 2015
Lol. U r boob sweat comment is funny. I actually roll a piece of towel and put it between mine to soak up the sweat. Humidity is so fun! I have cigna and am going through a hard time. I've decided to take matters into my own hands and do my own time line and research in my records since I don't think my doc office did much more than send the records I gave her. I'm going to go back to 2006 and tally up all my shots/pt/rfa. Hopefully the appeal will go better, after all, the doc that looked at my case was apparently a pediatrician. We have the same size but as a petite at almost 5'4 we look very different. So sorry for ur pain. Good luck!
UPDATED FROM JoysofWomanhood
3 months pre

Insurance Approved! 34DD/DDD Breast Reduction

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I received great news that Cigna is FINALLY approving my breast reduction! I had been denied coverage, and denied again after I'd appealed. I was working with a new PS on an appeal to Cigna's external review board when I got a surprise call from my employers benefits department.

Weeks ago my PS suggested that I contact my HR/Benefits coordinator and see if they have an advocate who works closely with our company's insurance provider that would persuade Cigna to cover my BR. I was shocked that they called me back, told me they had all my records from Cigna's denial and would review my request ASAP! Within a few days, my benefits director had agreed to overturn the denial & had contacted Cigna asking them to approve the BR in their system and reverse the denial! I am thrilled that my doctor suggested this path to me!!! This is the best news!!

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April 16, 2015
Congratulations! !!!!!
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April 17, 2015
Congrats!!! I was approved in 2 days with Aetna and I'm hoping both you and I get exactly what we want in terms of size. When are you scheduled?
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April 20, 2015
You are SO lucky to be approved in 2-days! I do hope we get what we want with size :) I'm going to schedule either June or July!
April 17, 2015
This is fantastic! Congratulations! Great PS who suggested all this, and a big thanks to your HR/benefits coordinator!
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April 18, 2015
Wow! You sound a lot like me...when did you start your cigna process...march? I've had an interesting journey with them as well..see my review.. I am anxiously waiting aporoval, they say hopefully next week. Im so happy for you! My husband's company Is smallish so I dont believe I would have an advocate. I sure wish thst would be the case. Last week I received a letter from cigna ststing a program they offered that orovided a one on one advocate for members. I immediately called but the 'advocate' was someone who would give you advice on eating better and such...sigh.. good luck!
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April 20, 2015
Well, you should try and ask his company for help, just in case they surprise you :) I hear Cigna is one of the more difficult insurances for BR surgery coverage. I started initially with Cigna & this request last June. My PS office was a disaster, nice doc but the staff - they are so disorganized that I think they are in part to blame for the months of waiting I went through. After my appeal was denied in January I got a second opinion and a PS who's office has their sh*t together. I hope you don't wait so long, I'm sure this was due to the office I went to more than Cigna themselves! I will be rooting for you!!
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April 20, 2015
Ack! Same with me! I really like the doc and staff us really sweet but I cant stop thinking Im certainly not the first persin to go through this with her! The words "lets just start with this and then go from there" will be seared in my memory forever" dont just start with something when you can be denied...go the distance!
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April 20, 2015
Are you going with your second doc? I also have a second opinion and their staff seems much more out together. If I get denied can I "start over" with them or would I have to go through appeal process with them? That might be what I need to do...
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April 19, 2015
Congrats!!! That is awesome news!