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Rhinoplasty Poor Dr. Choice - New York

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Updated 11 Feb 2011
Posted 23 Mar 2009
Not Worth It
Spent: $6,000 in New York City, New York

I just wanted my nose straightened and slightly slimmed. Doctor went radically in different direction excessively shortening my nose, turning it up giving it a pig like appearance. It's devastating and embarrassing and the dr says it looks nice and doesn't admit to screwing up. It's a crapshoot regardless of how good their b4/after pictures look. I should've sought out a rhinoplasty specialist who does at least 3 per week for at least 25 years. It's what I would recommend to anyone out there.

Updated on 11 Feb 2011:
I've since had a revision with a facial surgeon specializing in shock trauma victims. He was able to restore my nose and improve the damage done by Michelle Copeland. He listened carefully, was very compassionate and I only wish I used him the first time. He's a true doctor who cares about his patients.

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Michelle Copeland, MD, DMD

My Doctor: Michelle Copeland, MD, DMD

My rating:
This doctor gave me a obvious bad nose job, she was argumentative, VERY impatient, dodges questions, and told me to seek therapy to accept the outcome. She doesn't even deserve one star but instead a big fat F for failure as a doctor and ethical human being. I was stunned that she actually looked me in the eye and told me this is what we had discussed and that it looks great but she wouldn't put it on her website when I asked. If she was so proud of this, why wouldn't she want to use it for advertisement and exposure.
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posey_rosie (15 posts) 20 Feb 2009
I am so sorry to hear about your awful ordeal. For what it's worth, I think you look great both before and after. However, although I like your new nose, it doesn't matter what I think -- *you* are the person that the doctor should have listened to. The surgeon should have delivered what YOU wanted. I am dying to get rhinoplasty but I am so glad I read your story. Thank you for sharing your story and advice on choosing a doctor. Take care. --Rosie
nicastar (19 posts) 6 Mar 2009
Very sorry! I would demand a revision by someone else - on his dime!!! a long shot i know, but how unfair of him do not listen to what you want & does what he wants... i hear this is common. I also think your after isn't "terrible" but it is if it isn't what you wanted!
pipinghotveggie (20 posts) 11 Mar 2009
Hi i just wanted to let you know that while im sorry you didnt get what you desired,i think it looks great! I had a similar situation happen to me, with artefill, where the dr blatantly ignored my observations and now i rue the day. But it's true that each is his own worst critic. You look beautiful, and im not just saying that, i believe it.
penelopenose (25 posts) 12 Mar 2009
Thanks for your comment but you can't be serious. Are you commenting on my before picture because I don't know anyone who finds an aggressively upturned crooked nose with a retracted columella resembling a pig great!
sunshine25 (1 post) 10 Mar 2011
You look so much Better bf the surgery. When i saw the last picture before you had the surgery, I actually though that was after the other doctor reconstruted it.
maggie1302 (2 posts) 12 Mar 2009
I feel your pain. I went to {edited} and she ruined my nose as well after I paid close to $10,000 for it. Deffinitely a poor Dr. choice. (I had my surgery one year ago, and am currently looking for a good surgeon that specializes in revision rhinoplasty) Editor note: If you would like to review your experience with a particular provider or clinic, please write your treatment review and enter the provider or clinic name in the field provided.
ioana (unregistered guest) 14 Mar 2009
Like most of the previous commentors, I too think that you are very hard on yourself. You were beautiful before and are beautiful now. Your new nose does not look as bad as you think. But, I know how it is to get something in your mind, so I agree that you should get a revision done. For you own peace of mind.
penelopenose (25 posts) 22 Mar 2009
Seriously. Every doctor I've seen is shocked at what's been done to me and then people like you think it's "not bad". I once had a normal columella and now it's up in my nose and my nose is at least 1/2 inch shorter with a clown ball tip. I was soooo much better before. Who pays thousands of dollars to shoot for unattractive?
hasse92 (3 posts) 27 Mar 2009
I've had a similar experience. I wonder if we're entitled to a refund at least so we can get a revision elsewhere.
Tar (unregistered guest) 27 Mar 2009
you live in NY? I'm from there, but live in LA Dr. Frankel is good with revisions I hear, he is in LA. Sorry this happened to you, it's unacceptable work. Let me know if I can help. Did you see Pastorek? He is old, but I heard he is good.
penelopenose (25 posts) 28 Mar 2009

Thanks Tar, I don't think I'll be considering NY docs as the consensus is they're not that talented. They just come with a hefty price tag to make you think your getting quality but really it's below average at best. Pastorek's too old and there comes a time when they're past their surgical prime. Maybe my doc was too old hence why in the past 5 months there's 3 of us who she botched. 2 in NOV alone. I'm considering a doc in Sacramento whose super specialty is lengthening over-shortened noses and grafts will be needed but what she did to my nostrils is irrevocable. I have a profile on Rhinoplasty4you, a very helpful and informative site for us botched folks. User name there is "bangeline"

KatieFay (1 post) 28 Mar 2009
I am glad to hear you finally found someone good. I am so afraid but I will require a nose job too. Any recommendations?
Melissa33 (unregistered guest) 28 Mar 2009
Hey sweetie, I understand how you feel. My doctor overshortened my nose and now it's too short for my face. But there are plenty of surgeons out there who have experience reconstructing severely damaged noses - much more damaged than your own. With grafting techniques, a great deal of improvement is possible. Consult with Drs. Toriumi, Byrd, or Guyuron - they're apparently some of the best. I wish you luck - let's keep in touch!
liquidchic (3 posts) 28 Mar 2009
Yes, your beautiful, but that doctor really did a number on your nose. It does not look "natural", which is what I'm sure you were going for. It's pathetic that some people can't admit when they're wrong. Too bad you can't sue. I want to get my nose done. I was in a car accident, slamming my face into the dashboard, and it caused the bridge of my nose to become slightly crooked on one side. That and I want to get the tip more "chiseled". It's kind of round, which was brought to my attention at the age of 14 when myself and some friends had a charicature done at a theme park. The "artist" made me look like Bozo the Clown! Grrrr. I know that's part of the deal, but my friend has a big butt, and he didn't emphasize that one bit.
Brodie (unregistered guest) 29 Mar 2009
Hi, I agree with you that your surgeon's expertise is lacking. Last year I had rhinoplasty for a large boxy nose tip and am very happy with the results! Since you are considering coming out to Sacramento, CA - I would encourage you to contact Sam Most, MD in Palo Alto, CA (on the San Francisco Peninsula, about 100 miles west of Sacramento). He is the Chief, Div. of Facial Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery at Stanford University School of Medicine. He is very caring and listens to your concerns. I am so grateful that my dermatologist referred me to him! Take care of yourself and best wishes with your revision rhinoplasty!
freesoul (24 posts) 29 Mar 2009
It doesn't really look that shortened (even before you had a big space between your tip and lips) but what does look bad is the tip, it looks like she carved out a cube. I feel really sad for you, I hope you can get a revision you like and you can move on past this. Good luck.
tyb201 (unregistered guest) 11 Apr 2009

Dear Bangeline, Your story is one I will always remember. I'm so so sorry. I really feel for you. You are stunning in your before photo and although no doctor could eliminate your beauty, your surgery was a disappointment I agree. I'm a photographer and by default a perfectionist. I'd be pi**ed too. Right now, I am in the midst of concern and worry myself. I hate to say it, but I've done more research after my surgery than before it. I wanted my bumpy nose corrected so badly (at age 29) that I bought into the shiny PR kit of my doctor and the few but positive reviews he had on the internet. To be fair to him, I have not had my cast removed yet. However, I have fears stemming from the upturned nose I see out of my cast. My tip was not supposed to be altered at all. I will let you know how it goes, but I just wanted to say that your sharing has been important to me. You've led me to many useful places like rhinoplasty4you and ratemds and I wanted to thank you.

penelopenose (25 posts) 12 Apr 2009
Hi tyb, I appreciate your comments. It's been a real battle with the doctor who maintains a rigid position on her opinion of my nose looking better than before, more symmetrical, and "cute". She completely avoids liability, not once explaining why she had done the exact opposite of what we discussed in my consultation which was to fix my deviated septum(not done), straighten my nose(not done) soften only slightly the tip but under no circumstances do I want it turned up, scooped up, shortened, I was so adamant about that. Just de-projected a hair. So she excessively upturned it and chopped out a bunch of tissue to suck in my columella (the divider btwn nostrils), left me with a round ball for a tip, and moved my nostrils inward (something never even discussed in any way) and I now look like Cristina Ricci in Penelope, a real pig snout. She told me instead that I should seek counseling to accept this result. A real gem, huh? And she thinks she owes me nothing. I have to live this way for at least 9 months before I can get a revision and it's been nothing short of miserable. I've never felt so embarrassed to be seen and avoid going out except to work where I just keep my head down as much as I can. Sorry to vent but it's something that I need to keep talking about to help me. As for your dilemma, I wouldn't fret much. In the beginning the nose turns up a wee bit from the swelling. My friend had only a septoplasty and her nose swelled and turned up but went back to normal in about 6 to 8 weeks. She was a little freaked out too. Ask him if he altered the tip though. Apparently with some doctors you can say don't do something and they do it anyway. I don't think it's common though, I just picked a real winner (and sadly, like yourself, I'm doing more research after the fact). I'm glad I was able help. It's very important for me now to help inform as many people possible.
yaya1582 (33 posts) 28 Sep 2011
So what happened? Did you get a revision? Where did you go?

I see this post is 2+ years old... I'm curious!
scir91 from youtube (unregistered guest) 12 Apr 2009
i feel bad for you. i agree that the previous profile was much better looking. i had a nosejob as well to remove a hump and the job was done alright. he could have slimmed my tip a bit (nose is wide at the end).
tyb201 (unregistered guest) 12 Apr 2009
Dear Bangeline, It's really unbelievable. So not only does your doctor not understand the English language but she's also blind (certainly incompassionate). Well, feel free to vent. Unfortunately, your story and your venting is going to help others. I know you're trying to help. I would, too. At least your look does not have to be permanent. There has to be some sliver of a silver lining there. It sucks to shell out thousands of dollars again, and this time for corrective surgery, but one day that will hopefully be a memory, too. Thanks also for your reassurance about my raised tip at the moment. I'll let you know how it goes. I really want to provide feedback because when I was doing my research pre-op, there was little unbiased feedback on my particular doctor. I would like to walk away and give him a positive review. Fingers crossed. Also, I wonder if you could start fundraising on forums like this to soften the blow of the new surgery?
veebee (1 post) 16 Apr 2009
i am so sorry you are going thru this ordeal. it is indeed very very painful. i had a similar experience, my surgery was 6/08. i was devastated. i wanted to write to tell you, tho i am not sure of exact date of your surgery, i wanted to tell you the time will fly. the first few weeks its so difficult but the months will fly by quickly, and you won't feel so rotten. that raw feeling will go away. yes, i am keeping lo-profile too. find some good fiction books to sink into. things to distract you. keep busy. my thoughts are with you.
maggie1302 (2 posts) 18 Apr 2009
As you know I went to the same surgeon, and she screwed up my nose as well. I swear, she has no skill when it comes to this surgery. If you look at the pictures on her site, all the nose-jobs that she did have an up-turned tip. I don't think that she listens what the patient wants at all. She told me the same thing she told you, that my nose 'looks cute.' Who's she kidding, she sucks !!!
Junebug19 (4 posts) 23 Apr 2009
I'm so sorry to hear and see what this Dr. has done. Fortunalty there are some miracle worker surgeons who specialize in revision rhinoplasty. Take your time, do your homework, go with your gut instints and get reliable referrals. It will all work out.
kathy colmenares (unregistered guest) 29 Apr 2009
i am sorry for you, it's unbelievable that we pay so much money to become actually worse than we were before. i have a wide nose, too wide for a girl. and it's quite short, shorter would be a disaster.. i think about rhino from time to time, but looking at such cases i ger really afraid of getting someting worse than the nature gave me

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