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Horrible Lower Lip Experience - Houston, TX

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I am hoping that posting my bad experience with a...

HopefulTexan
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I am hoping that posting my bad experience with a Houston doctor may save even one person from going through what I've had to! I did my research and went to, who I thought was a reputable doctor, to receive upper and lower Permalip implants (5mm) on a Thursday...this is the first real procedure I've ever had, other than injections and fillers...so I was nervous, yet excited. I was very swollen for 3 days and, after the 4th day I could begin to see that something was wrong with my lower lip. My lower lip was extremely lopsided and you could visibly see the end of the implant at the very front of my left side. Taking your finger, you could feel the implant pushing against the front of the lip about 1/4" or so away from the corner of my mouth. It felt as if the doctor had clipped the tapered end off, and it was obviously not aligned. Then, thinking back to my consultation, he didn't even measure my lips (even though the implants come in 3 different lengths), rather said he always orders the longest size and can just clip off what isn't needed - that should've been a red flag - but it didn't click with me then.

After waiting a full week, I finally gave in and called the doctor. He proceeded to tell me that it was just swelling and that I was feeling the end of the implant which was normal (which I didn't think that I should really be able to feel against the front of my lip and thought that was odd), but come in and he would take a look. I cancelled work meetings and went in right away. When I got to the office he was visibly agitated that I was coming in and questioning things...the bedside manner was horrible...and he made me feel as if I was in the wrong even questioning him! He looked at it and said, it's just swelling, you're over-reacting. I told him I had some very important events coming up and that I could not afford to look like this. He left the room and, since he left the door slightly cracked, I could hear him out in the hall talking to the nurse or receptionist about me, very rudely stating that he'd just go in and see if he could fix it b/c he didn't want to deal with me calling him all weekend! I was shocked and infuriated, but at this time, I needed it fixed and I trusted that he'd do the right thing, seeing that his work is a reflection on him. Needless to say, he opened me back up on the left side only and messed around with the implant and sewed me back up. I went home in tears after the ordeal and was just praying to God that it would be fixed. The swelling wasn't nearly as bad this time around, and after a few days you could see there was no change at all...so I basically got cut open again for nothing!

I am telling any of you out there, you know your body, and you know when something isn't right! People at the office were asking if I was okay, and it was highly embarrassing going into meetings looking as if my mouth was lopsided. Even the way I was stitched was poor - stitches were visibly protruding out of the corners of my mouth. So, I broke down and scheduled a consultation with a doctor about an hour away from me...I should've gone to her in the first place, as I knew two people who had great experiences with her with the Permalip procedure as well as other procedures...but I let the distance get to me...you live and you learn I guess. I met with this doctor (who I will write a separate review on) and it was a night and day difference...she and her staff are so open and caring and they made me feel like my concerns were valid and really cared! The doctor talked to me over an hour in the consultation going over every possibly scenario and answering all of my questions. She measured my lips and made her recommendation that we take out the old implant and redo it.

At this point I don't ever want to see Dr. Perlman again and, although it stinks that I basically threw my money down the drain for a bad result, it's my face, and I want to go to a doctor that cares and is going to do things correctly! So, I went in last night for my replacement with the new doctor and, after reopening the sides of my mouth and removing the old implant (which, by the way, did have both of the corners cut off) because of the rawness and inflammation and how thin and ragged the tissue was because of the misplacement, etc. of the old implant, she advised that we wait a couple of months before going in to redo the lower lip. I trust her judgement, and I appreciated that she was honest with me and wants to take no chances and do the right thing for me! She and her staff were such a god send and, even though this was the 3rd time I got cut open, and we weren't able to do the new implant just yet, I walked out of the office with a renewed faith in things...not in tears like the last doctor!

I have posted pictures for you to see below, and I really hope that this helps someone out there who is contemplating this procedure. Trust yourself and I wish the best for you all out there! I would never refer anyone to Dr. Perlman!

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Joseph M. Perlman, MD

Joseph M. Perlman, MD

Board Certified Plastic Surgeon

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September 13, 2014
Am so sorry for your bad experience he obviously didn't know what he was doing.
September 15, 2014
Thank you so much! It's been a very trying experience!
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September 15, 2014
So sorry this happened to you! I also had Permalip implants placed - the bottom was visibly lopsided and drooped and my plastic surgeon also told me in was due to swelling still. I finally demanded to have them removed after one month because the "swelling" (that disappeared, btw, immediately after they were removed) wasn't going down and the implants were too large for my lips (bigger than my existing lip tissue and I could not even purse my lips together). I have to give some advice you might not want to hear though, and that is don't get them placed again! I can tell you at some point everyone who gets these implants (just like breast implants) will have to get them replaced or removed after x amount of years and do you really want to be opening and sewing up those incisions again and again? I can tell you my lips have not fully healed yet and I got mine out in May. They feel a tad stretched out.. nothing horrible but not like they were before the procedure. They also are stiff in the mornings so I have to massage them and they're also sensitive in certain areas (like right in the middle of my lower lip) so when I press my lips together I feel a tingly sensation there. It's just not worth it. Get filler instead and have natural looking and feeling lips. The shape of the implant is not a "one fits all" and you're messing with your lip tissue which may result in permanent damage. I'm just praying mine will eventually fully heal..
September 16, 2014
Hi there...thanks so much! I have had that thought - I still have the upper - but when I go in for my check in to reassess for the lower after a month or so I am going to ask about that. It does stink going through incisions after incisions! I did already pay for another implant, but since it's unopened, I would think they can return it if I decide not to go through with it. I am really on the fence at this point. Did the lopsidedness fully go away after the removal? I feel like it's still slightly lopsided on that left side, but I did just get it removed Thursday evening, so I think it's still swelling...I hope to god the original doctor didn't mess up my lip for good! Things to think about!!! I totally appreciate your comments, and I also hope you heal fully and are back to 100% before long!
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September 17, 2014
Thank you for sharing your experience on RealSelf!
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September 21, 2014
I'm sorry you had a terrible experience. I love my PermaLips. Since you're in Houston, the two plastic surgeons that are true PermaLip experts are Dr. Peter Raphael and Dr. Scott Harris at the American Institute of Plastic Surgery in Dallas. If you're not terribly far from Dallas, they are the plastic surgeons to see to get PermaLip. Hands down.
September 27, 2014
Thanks for the info 'lonestargirl' - I will have to investigate them...at this point I am not sure if I'll remove the top or what. I appreciate your comment.
September 27, 2014
Thanks for sharing! I had a good experience with dr Perlman for another operation. (My eyes) so maybe lips just aren't his thing? Anyway, if you want fuller lips have you considered a lip lift? It's sssooo natural and the downtime is so minimal! I just had it done and love it. (Last Friday so a little over a week and no one can tell I had work done! I just look prettier but natural) I went to dr horndeski. He's so nice and so helpful. Anyway, sorry the implants didn't work out. Sounds scary. I was thinking about it next after I heal from my lip lift. Did you ever go to the other doc? Did you like her?
September 27, 2014
Hi...I'm glad you had a good experience, as I would hate for anyone to have to go through something like this. However, it wasn't just the results, it was that combined with how I was treated that was just horrific to me! I did go to the other doctor and had the bottom removed, the lip tissue was so inflamed and raw from the misplaced implant that she wanted to wait a couple of months before going back in to replace it. I will post about that after I've made my final decision... As it is, with how badly Dr. Perlman's incision and stitching were on the left side, I'm not sure if I can handle another incision there. I am going to update this post to show what I'm talking about.
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1 month post

One Month Post Op - Lower Implant Removed - Not Sure Whether To Try Again Or Just Remove

HopefulTexan
Hi - I wanted to give a quick update as it's been just over a month since I had the original procedure. The top lip swelling, I would say, has completely gone away; however, after having the lower implant removed, although there is no more swelling, the lip is deflated and is still really tight and (I know it sounds weird) it still seems like I can feel the tunnel present.

I'm having a lot of back and forth on whether or not to just have the top implant removed, cut my losses, and just go for injections here on out...but I do like the fullness that the implant gives...subtle and more natural looking. Here's the issue: the left side (which was the side in which the lower implant was horribly misplaced) has now been cut open multiple times and it was stitched together so deeply and so far that this side has visible scarring and lumpiness has formed in the corners of my lips. The scarring is visible on this side and it's very concerning to me because, when I smile now, the corners of my lips do not go up like they used to and it looks odd. I have been doing the stretching vigilantly and I feel like I can open my mouth pretty widely vertically, but horizontally, the opening is much smaller than it used to be as a result of Dr. P 'tacking' it down so much, and it really just seems like he butchered me on that side. Logically, all I can think of is that one of three things is going on: 1] the top implant is also misplaced and the ends do not follow down into the corners of the mouth - rather go straight across instead of curving with the lip (when I take my hands and feel the implant - this is honestly what it feels like - as if the implant literally goes straight across - it feels like the small ends are pointing towards my cheeks not following the lip line) or the ends were cut off like the bottoms were and, either way, the corners of my lips don't pull up as a result; 2] he cut me so much more than necessary and tacked it down so much that now the corner simply cannot lift b/c it's so tied to the bottom lip; or, 3] because the bottom implant was removed, the top lip is now so much more prominent that it's affecting my ability to smile properly. I am not a doctor, so I really cannot say and need a professional opinion...I will be going back the first week of November for the good doctor to reassess my healing and to potentially get the bottom implant replaced. Based on what she thinks about the scarring, etc. I will make my final decision.

I'm really hoping that the top is okay (although I'm doubtful b/c I can feel the ends of the implants, as I said, just going straight out and not following through to the corners of my lips), and if it's not, then I just don't know what I'm going to do!

I will keep everyone posted in a month when I go back to see the good doctor again.

I have included pictures for you to see...just be aware, I had to use the 'selfie' option - so the true left side of my mouth is on the right in the pictures you see. I also included one of the removed lower implant so you can see the tapered ends cut off...they are there for a reason b/c the taper allows the implant to naturally 'feather' out into the corners - so this should never have been cut!

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September 28, 2014
Dr. Perlman sounds incompetent. Thanks for warning others.
September 30, 2014
Thank you for posting your experience in such detail. It really does help other people make their decision when they can see the actual risks. I sincerely hope you end up being happy with your lips at some point, whether it's with a new implant or filler. Good luck
October 10, 2014
Looking at his work or at least the photos here of previous procedures, its CLEAR that he is not a good plastic surgeon. OMG, his TT are horrible, I feel sad for all the woman that trust him, cause he charges below the average and maybe is because Dr. Perlman knows that he is not good enough to charge accordingly. You could always complaint to the board of Plastic Surgery, he needs to refund your money.
January 28, 2015
Who is the female doctor you recommend? I am I. The houston area and looking for a recommendation. Tia!
March 17, 2015
Hi Tia...sorry for the late reply...wanted to give you a response after my surgery. Although the lady doctor who removed my lower implant, who I had planned to go to for this was very good, I decided to get my lips done at the same time as my breasts with another doctor in Houston. I just had my upper removed and a new upper and lower put in with Dr. Yarish. He and his entire staff are AMAZING! I had the surgery last Thursday and I just got my stitches out today...literally no bruising and so much less swelling than last time. My lips look phenomenal today - I will post a few pics for you! Even before day 5 last go 'round I could already tell there was something VERY wrong with my lower lip. I highly recommend Dr. Yarish...his whole demeanor and his obvious talent is well worth going in for at least a consultation! My upper and lower lips look SOOOO amazing and I am so happy! Best of luck to you on this journey - I know it's a very hard decision!
March 18, 2015
Thank you for the response! I will look into him. Does he do the permalip implant?
March 18, 2015
Yes he does...I did 5mm on top and bottom.
March 18, 2015
For photos and my review on my new procedure feel free to check it out: http://www.realself.com/review/houston-tx-lip-augmentation-fabulous-lip-implants
March 15, 2015
He should be disbarred. I think you should drive the hour away and have the woman Dr. redo both the top and bottom. Maybe she can help with the scar tissue. Good luck to you.....