I see differing opinions about lower bleph for this. How visible are the scars? One doc recommended a lower bleph w/ an extended incision that runs length of lower lids & about a cm along a smile line in outer corner of eye. Also discussed with another, an arcus marginalis release, fat transposition and canthopexy with a separate skin muscle flap? I have also read about laser tx's. Some say a lower bleph could make problems worse? I've already tried fillers.
Malar Bags - Festoons. What Do You Recommend? (photo)
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How to treat malar mounds and eyelid festoons
Lower eyelid bags, in contrast, are caused when age-related fat protrudes through the skin in the lower eyelid region.
If lower eyelid bags are addressed by themselves, the festoons often are more noticeable afterwards because they stand out in stark contrast.
It’s important to understand the differences between these two conditions so they can be properly treated. The best rejuvenation and most natural results occur when both eyelid bags and Festoons are corrected simultaneously.
The first difference is in their cause or etiology; festoons are a result of sun-damaged skin on the lower eyelid and on the cheek and are believed to be affected by underlying contrasting muscle forces over the years of a person’s life.
In contrast, lower eyelid bags are due to age-related fat protruding through the skin in the lower eyelid region. New research has shown that fat can grow and atrophy during our lives in asymmetric ways. The growth of fat in the orbit around the eye along with atrophy of fat in the facial regions around the eye, as well as weakness in some of the orbital containing structures, contribute the fullness we see in the lower eyelid with age. For some individuals, this fat shows up at a very young age and this is believed to a result of genetic changes in the development of the eye area in those individuals.
The second difference is the location on the face where they form. Lower eyelid festoons can be seen primarily on the cheek with some presence in the lower eyelid region. Lower eyelid bags are located directly below the lower eyelid lashes and are noticed to become more prominent when someone with these bags looks upwards. Conversely, festoons are minimally affected when a person looks upwards.
The third difference is the feel of these conditions when they are touched. Festoons are squishy and can be made to move side to side. Lower eyelid bags are firmer, deeper in location beneath the skin and can’t be moved easily side to side when touched.
I have had great success treating festoons and malar mounds with my Laser Skin Resurfacing RESET treatment for lower eyelid festoons and malar mounds. See the video and link below for more details.
Malar bag, festoon treatment
Thank you for your question. As you may have guessed by the number of different opinions expressed here, this is a very difficult problem to treat. Direct excision may improve this problem but many times it only results in an improvement not a complete elimination of the problem. The down side to doing this is that it leaves you with a significant scar on your cheeks. Arcus marginalis release, fat transposition and canthopexy with a separate skin muscle flap is an excellent operation that will address the "upper" bags of the lower lids but NOT the problem of the malar bags. I also note that your lower eyelids have lateral bowing (the outside edge of the eyelid appears pulled down). This may be indicative of lower eyelid looseness which also should be addressed.
I have found that the best way to treat malar festoons is very wide undermining of the skin with a tightening of the lower eyelid, tightening of the muscle, re-draping of the skin and possibly cheek fat pad elevation (this would depend on your physical findings). Best of luck with this difficult problem.
Treatment of Festoons
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As you can tell by the number of different options presented to you, that this is a difficult problem to address. The more techniques available for a problem, the harder it is to fix!!
The best way to remove them completely is to excise them directly which will leave a scar.
All other options [blepharoplasty, laser, etc] will likely improve to some degree, but not resolve completely.
Your case is mild-moderate, so a blepharoplasty with orbicularis suspension may suffice.
An experienced Oculoplastics or Facial Plastics patient may be your best bet.
Malar bags - festoons
Festoons are not removed with a traditional lower blepharoplasty. A canthoplasty will help with some of the excess lower lid retraction present and scleral show, however, not all of the festoon material will go away with just a canthoplasty. Direct incision is probably the only way to surgically remove true festoons, but the festoon removal should be done as a secondary procedure after a canthoplasty is performed. Fillers will not help with this problem.
Put me down as one in agreement with Drs. Meyer and Kabaker; direct excision is safest and surest way to good result. External laser combined with lateral canthopexy (to prevent ectropion or lower lid rounding) could be considered in experienced hands. Conservative approach is safest.
Cheek festoons ("water bags"): what's the solution?
Yes, those pesky collections of 'fluid' beneath the lower eyelids can come and go, but never really completely go away. Do salt, hormone levels, stress and aging make them worse? I agree with Dr Mayer and Kabaker that direct excision offers the most straightforward method of achieving a reduction and improvement in these pesky bags of annoyance. If surgical healing is routine, the small scars seem like a good tradeoff to the persistent puffiness!
Malar bags/festoons per photo
Interesting responses from non-plastic surgeons.
The key to such problems is identifying what the problem is, what procedure would correct it, and what the trade-offs are. Lower eyelid/malar bagging is a combination of fat pads, stretch and sag of overlying skin, and descent of the upper cheek/malar tissues. A standard lower lid blepharoplasty would address the fat pads but not the stretched and excess skin with an incision in the usual subcilliary location (or transconjunctival). Such a procedure does not address the sag of the upper cheek border and adequate support for the heavier cheek tissues. A direct excision of skin only can also have problems with tension on the lower eyelid border and doesn't lift the upper cheek without separate maneuvers plus the incisional scar is not a favorable tradeoff.
I would recommend accepting a less than complete correction of the skin (which could be improved by surface treatment separate from the eyelid/cheek lift) and do a standard lower lid blepharoplasty through a subciliary incision and include a release and lift of the upper cheek (part of a midface lift). This is anchored to the fascia lateral to the eyelid margin and much of the excess skin can be removed without tension on the lower lid. I call this an extended lower lid blepharoplasty. It would give you the most improvement for the least visible scar and risk.
Festoons (malar bags)
Festoons (aka malar bags) are a common annoying problem of the lower eyelid/cheek junction. They can be mild to severe. There are different types of festoons, namely fluid filled, fat filled, excess skin, or combination of the above. Treatment options vary for each but complete resolution of festoons are unlikely, especially if fluid component present, and you should expect improvement not complete resolution. In your case, the lower eyelid incision with skin-muscle flap is likely the best method to give the best result. See an oculoplastic specialist.