Is It Adviseable to Consider a Facelift with an Oculoplastic Surgeon?

I would personally not consider having a facelift by anybody but a board certified plastic surgeon any more than I would have LASIK or surgery on the eye muscles (strabismus) with a plastic surgeon.
Many oculoplastic surgeons who specialize in cosmetic surgery of the eyes are very skilled in procedures around the eyes.
In the Los Angeles community, it is my opinion that an oculoplastic surgeon performing facelifts would generally considered to be outside their scope of practice.

This is an excellent question that provides an opportunity to educate interested patients about the extensive training of oculoplastic surgeons.
An oculoplastic surgeon that completed an accredited fellowship has demonstrated proficiency in facelifting by definition of the ASOPRS (American Society of Ophthalmic Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery) requirements. In order to demonstrate proficiency after a 2-year fellowship, these surgeons have submitted a sufficient number of facelift cases.
Not all oculoplastic surgeons have practices that are cosmetically oriented, but many of those that perform cosmetic procedures currently have hospital privileges in facelifting and many of them have acquired additional fellowship training in cosmetic procedures.
www.ASOPRS.org is a good resource to learn more about oculofacial plastic surgery.

Leaving politics and turf wars aside, the true answer to your question is:  it depends.

Oculoplastics surgeons are trained under the control of the American Society of Ophthalmic Plastics and reconstructive surgery. THe curriculum is tightly controlled and monitored. Face and Neck lift surgery is part of the curriculum in this rigorous 2 year fellowship. However, not all programs get the same amount of experience. Some have more than others.

Pick your surgeon based on their experience and results, not on their title.

Although you would find exceptions to the rule, why would you want to go to a surgeon with the least amount of training in this particular procedure for your facelift. Would you want a plastic surgeon to eye surgery like cataract surgery after he has taken some courses??

Here is what I would recommend personally to find the most qualified surgeon to perform your facelift:

Picking the Best Plastic Surgeon for your face lift procedure: Finding Dr. Right

The most critical decision to be made in achieving the best plastic surgical result is picking the most experienced and talented, that is the best, plastic surgeon possible. Too often, patients choose a physician based on a catchy ad, the brand name of a technique, the basis of one or two before and after photos, or their web site’s search engine ranking. These criteria will not find the most experienced and talented plastic surgeon.

My Background

Dr. Larry Nichter
I have been a practicing plastic surgeon for more than 25 years, having trained scores of plastic surgeons as a tenured professor of plastic surgery at USC, and I have had a private practice in Orange County since 1993. Speaking from all this experience, here is my advice and the criteria I would use to find the best plastic surgeon in Orange County, Los Angeles, California, or anywhere in the United States. These are the criteria I would use to select a plastic surgeon for my friends, my family, or myself.

First, I want to stress some general observations I have found to be true over the years.

Caveat Emptor: Buyer Beware
The longer a surgeon trains at his craft, the finer his skills and the better his judgment become. Board certification in Plastic Surgery (see below) is a bare minimum. Board certification in an additional surgical field recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties, or for that matter “triple-board certified,” attests to a doctor’s advanced training and skill and judgment. It also means that they have attained Chief Resident Status in more than one field during their training which means they essentially ran a large departmental service and had senior decision-making and independent operating responsibilities. It is this step that is most maturing for a surgeon.

The institution where the surgeon trained is also important. More renowned schools usually attract the best faculty.

You can use the internet to research the background of a prospective plastic surgeon quickly. Please do this prior to making an appointment. “Just because you wear a baseball cap it doesn’t mean you are a good ball player.” The same applies to anyone wearing a white coat—it doesn’t make you a plastic surgeon, much less a great one.

Caveat Emptor in Latin means “Buyer Beware.” In most states, including California, any physician with a medical school diploma and state license is viewed as a doctor and a surgeon—even without any formal surgical training. In some cases even doctors who have completed only the minimal requirements (medical school, licensing examination, and a one-year internship that need not include surgical training) are touting themselves as “cosmetic surgical experts.” They make these claims of expertise despite the fact that they are only formally trained as family practitioners, OB/Gyns, emergency physicians, dermatologists, or ear-nose-throat specialists. Even physician assistants and nurses have made such claims.

7-Step Process for Finding the Best Plastic Surgeon
The following are my screening guidelines and criteria for picking the best plastic/cosmetic surgeon.

1. Board Certified Plastic Surgeon by the American Board of Plastic Surgery
The American Board of Plastic Surgery is the only certifying board in Plastic Surgery that is a member of the American Board of Medical Specialties. Use these links to look up a prospective surgeon’s status.

To become a plastic surgeon certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery requires a minimum of five years of surgical training with a minimum of two years of training specifically in plastic surgery. Then the applicant must also pass a comprehensive written board exam. If successful, the candidate must present his/her clinical cases for critical review by board examiners (I was one such board examiner) and if accepted will take a series of oral examinations.

Since the 1990s, the American Board of Plastic Surgery Certification is only valid for ten years. To retain your board certified status, a plastic surgeon must complete a Maintenance of Certification including written testing and case review. This means that all who pass are trained and experienced in all plastic surgery procedures including facial procedures, breast, and body; essentially all cosmetic and reconstructive procedures.

If a Plastic Surgeon is additionally board certified by another surgical specialty recognized the American Board of Medical Specialties, then this also marks additional expertise and training at the highest level. The American Board of Facial Plastic Surgery (ABFRS) is not a licensing body nor an educational institution and the certificates it issues are not legal licenses to practice facial plastic and reconstructive surgery. The ABFRS is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (although it does note additional specialty training/interest in facial aesthetic surgery).

Likewise, beware of physicians armed only with certification from other non-ABMS recognized boards or special society memberships other than those I have recommended (eg. “Cosmetic Surgery Board,” “Lipoplasty Society of North America,” etc.).

2. Fellow of the American College of Surgeons: FACS
The American College of Surgeons is dedicated to improving the care of the patient and to safeguarding standards of care in an optimal and ethical practice environment. Members of the American College of Surgeons are referred to as “Fellows.” The letters FACS (Fellow, American College of Surgeons) after a surgeon’s name mean that the surgeon’s education and training, professional qualifications, surgical competence, and ethical conduct have passed a rigorous evaluation, and have been found to be consistent with the high standards established and demanded by the College.

To be a member you have to:

be board certified in a surgical specialty recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties
be in practice in one location for a number of years, with a background check, nomination, and interviews which verify that you are an ethical and safe surgeon among other criteria.
Hint: Look for the “FACS” (or “FRCS,” see below) after the “MD” in a doctor’s title or in his/her Curriculum Vitae to see if he/she is a “real surgeon.”

Note for patients in Canada: The equivalent of FACS in Canada is the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada, FRCS.

3. Member of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS)
The American Society of Plastic Surgeons is the largest organization of plastic surgeons in the United States and one of the largest in the world. ASPS members are uniquely qualified because of the society’s membership requirements:

Members of the American Society of Plastic Surgeons must be Board Certified by The American Board of Plastic Surgery complete at least 5 years of surgical training with a minimum of 2 years of training specifically in plastic surgery. The more years of Plastic Surgical Training the better – this includes fellowships in a plastic surgical field.
American Society of Plastic Surgeons members are required to adhere to a strict code of ethics and must fulfill rigorous Continuing Medical Education (CME) requirements including patient safety issues.
Lastly, ASPS members are required to operate at accredited surgical facilities certified by one of the following USA organizations: American Association for Accreditation of Ambulatory Surgical Facilities, Inc., Accreditation Association for Ambulatory Health Care, Inc., or the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Health Care Organizations.
Beware of physicians without this membership but belonging only to similar-sounding societies as their claim to excellence eg. “American Society of Cosmetic Surgery,” “Lipoplasty Society of North America,” etc.

4. Member of the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ASAPS)
This is the most elite society in the United States and perhaps the world for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. To be a member means that your career is focused in cosmetic surgery at the highest level. Among the requirements for invitation and election to ASAPS membership, a plastic surgeon must:

Be certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery (or in plastic surgery by the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada);
Be in at least the third year of active practice following board certification;
Participate in accredited Continuing Medical Education (CME) to stay current with developments in the field of cosmetic plastic surgery and patient safety;
Document the performance of a significant number and variety of cosmetic surgical cases to demonstrate wide experience;
Be sponsored by two ASAPS-member plastic surgeons to help ensure that the applicant’s professional reputation meets the high standards required by ASAPS;
Adhere to current ethical standards for professional conduct as outlined in the Code of Ethics observed by all ASAPS-member surgeons;
Operate in accredited surgical facilities; and
Be elected by at least 80% of the Active Membership.
Find an ASPS member online.

5. Hospital privileges to perform the same type of surgery
Hospitals often examine qualifications of doctors applying for hospital staff privileges and restrict privileges to only surgeons best trained and qualified to do certain procedures. For example, in order for surgeons to be granted plastic surgery privileges in most hospitals in Orange County, California, that surgeon must have completed plastic surgery residency training and must be board-eligible or -certified in plastic surgery to be allowed to perform plastic surgical operations in that hospital.

Non-surgeons and other physicians that are not plastic surgeons circumvent this process by performing surgery in their offices or in outpatient surgery centers where the credentialing process is less rigorous or nonexistent. In these settings non-plastic surgeons perform procedures in which they have no formal residency training.

I am not warning against use of outpatient surgery centers or in-office procedures. I am only recommending that you check that your physician has hospital privileges for these same procedures.

6. Surgical Experience in the procedure you are having
Few patients ask how long doctors have been doing a certain procedure or how many they have performed. When you consult with a plastic surgeon:

Ask to see typical “before and after” photos;
discuss the details of the procedure in a manner that is clear to you;
review benefits and potential complications;
get full answers to your questions.
7. Evidence of Excellence, Experience and Commitment to the field of Plastic Surgery
Here are some additional criteria to look for in your plastic surgeon.

Surgical Board Certification in more than one field
Plastic Surgical Fellowships in addition to Plastic Surgical Residency.
Number of years practicing.
Peer Review Honors in their own board certification from groups such as Best Doctors, Top Doctors, Super Doctors.
Current or Prior position denoting excellence in the field or high regard by their peers such as:
Prior or present Professor or Faculty affiliation with a University Plastic surgical program (the higher the rank the better)
Chairman of a Department of plastic surgery at a regional hospital
Honors from surgical societies of which they are members such as Board Examiner, etc.
Published Plastic Surgical papers in peer review journals are also a good sign that they are committed to being on top of their field.
Feel Comfortable with your choice
It is very important that after you have done this screening and met with your potential surgeon that you feel confident in your choice.

Complications are not common in cosmetic surgery, but if one did occur are you confident that this surgeon would take charge and handle just about any problem?

Do you feel that he listens to you and communicates well by answering your questions completely, doesn’t rush you in to a decision but rather makes you part of the decision-making process? You should truly feel that it is a combined effort.

Does the surgeon’s office run smoothly? Do the staff take good care of you? If you answered in the affirmative and have gotten this far in your screening guidelines then I think you have found your “Dr. Right.”

—Larry S. Nichter, MD, FACS

Hi there-
You would never consider allowing an eye doctor to perform a heart operation on you, would you?
While this may be an extreme example with greater risks than a facelift, the principle is the same- an eye doctor (even one with an additional year of training in plastic surgery around the eye) is simply not trained to do this kind of surgery at the level that a surgeon certified by The American Board of Plastic Surgery is.
Even if you argue that they did a few facelifts in their training (seems unlikely), this was under the supervision of (guess what) another eye doctor!
Even greater than the concern that I have over someone with inadequate training performing plastic surgery procedures on the public is the concern that in doing so they are informing us about their ethics and morals, and not to a positive conclusion.
Why would someone with training in ophthalmology and plastic surgery of the eye want to do a facelift?
Is it because they had a vision from God telling them they needed to take up the scalpel?
Let's be real- the only motivation possible is $$$
Furthermore, what does this interest in facelift surgery say about their abilities and reputation as eye doctors?
Are they not able to succeed as eye doctors, even though this was the primary focus of their training? What does this say about their ability to do a facelift on you- a procedure in which they have even less training?
Caveat Emptor (buyer beware).

I am sure your question will push more than a few button among the surgeons on this forum. You should know that eye plastic surgeon have been performing facelifts as part of their specialty since it was established. Recently the the two year training programs that train eye plastic surgeons (opthalmic plastic and reconstructive surgery) was recognized by the American Counsel on Graduate Medical Education.
The only other recognized plastic surgery training program is general plastic surgery. This mean that the training of residents in these programs is very rigorous and when I last checked, the face lift training in these programs was equivalent to what general plastic surgeon and facial plastic surgeons are getting. But that does not answer your question.
I would encourage you to apply the same standards in assessing the face lift work of an oculoplastic surgeon as you should when considering a general plastic or facial plastic surgeon doing facelift. Look to their training. Have they done a cosmetic or aesthetic fellowship beyond the basic training for the field? Is facelifting a big part of their practice? Do they have malpractice insurance and hospital privileges for facelifting? Are they in good standing with their state medical board? Are the unexplained gaps in their resume? Do you like the results of their before and after picture? Are you comfortable with you potential surgeon? If they are doing surgery in their office, is this an appropriate setting for your surgery?

Oculoplastic surgeons have extensive specialty training in surgery around the eyes, but not the whole face. Plastic surgeons have specialty training in facial and body surgery, while facial plastic surgeons have training limited to the face and neck. What makes it confusing is that scope of practice is not limited by any regulations or certifications, so anyone can call themselves whatever they want as long as they have license to practice medicine. It's a good idea to check out their credentials with the American Board of Medical Specialties (www.abms.org) which will tell you what field they are certified in, if any.

While there are a number of skilled ocuplastic surgeons, you will need to determine if he/she has the requisite experience and skill to do a facelift.  Morover, his/her center needs to be setup for both the planned surgery and unplanned complications. If the reason that you are seeking an ocuplastic surgeon is fees then you should reconsider.  If you believe that an ocuplastic surgeon is the best surgeon for you then you should pursue it.

On an individual basis, it is possible that an oculoplastic surgeon has had extensive special training and experience in performing facelift surgery withappropriate skill and finesse. However, facelift surgery is not consideredpart of the training and experience of an oculoplastic surgeon (ophthalmologist).
Accordingly, most oculoplastic surgeons do not perform facelifts and they wouldnot feel comfortable attempting to do so. In selecting a surgeon for a particularprocedure, in your case a facelift, make sure that this surgeon is appropriatelycredentialed, well-trained, experienced, and has a track record of successful results with minimal problems.
If you search, you will find facelifts performed by some general practitioners, general surgeons, dermatologists, gynecologists and even some dentists. I am partial to my credentials, training, experience and expertise as a facial plastic surgeon. I would strongly recommend that you seek either a facial plastic surgeon or a general plastic surgeon with a good reputation and, again, a good track record.

Interesting and a politically fired question. Accredited Oculofacial plastic surgery fellowships via ASOPRS (and now acgme) make it a requirement to learn and do facelifts with proficiency. It is now just as much in the core curriculum as it is for general plastic surgery.
With that said there are oculoplastic surgeons and plastic surgeons who do not do that many facelifts after starting in practice and might not have as much experience as others in their respective fields. Oculoplastic surgeons do not do intraocular surgery and you should be as weary of them taking out a cataract as a plastic surgeon taking out an appendix.
Oculoplastic surgeons do plastic and reconstructive surgery around the eyes and the face. Many oculoplastic surgeons have trained beyond their 2 year fellowships and do cosmetic surgery or facial plastic fellowships to even further specialize in the field. So to answer your question Oculoplastic surgeons can and do perform facelifts because they are trained to do so, pick your surgeon by their reputation, your level of confidence with them and their experience in the procedure and ability to handle any of its complications.