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Lip lift - the end result was pretty bad
UPDATED FROM afixerup
1 year post
horrible dr., narsasist, and possibly more...
I mentioned in my review of my lip lift what a nightmare of job he did. I explained that I was under general anesthesia and that he didn't mark me sitting up so when it came to my sutures they were completly off (please read review). I would be bothered if it was on my thigh, but this was front center , in the middle of my face. As I mentioned I did go back and he said he would fix it however, he said he doen't believe in lifting the sides so because of the sloppy job that was performed on me the first time, why would I trust him to lift the sides, when he doesn't doesn't do this. He spent about 10 minutes telling my sister and me how he had countless "models" as patients. I find this hard to believe, especially when he showed me one lip lift photo in his office (at the time there were 3 posted on line here).
I underwent the same procedure with Dr. Hayworth along with some additional things to make me look better and to primaarily fix the botched job Dr. baker performed. I contacted his office to ask for my money back to help pay for my procedure. He said to contact the hospital. I did and they said they wouldn't help me. I tried one more time to contact Dr. Baker directly to get my money back and he nesver responded.
1) As I believe I mentioned in my review, I had asked for all the paper work. (I have had many spine and bone surgeries so I know what to look for). No where in there did it state that he did the procedure. There is a highly likely that a student may have done this. I never receved an answer from him or the hospital (it was a teaching hospital) . PLEASE make sure the person you are meeting with is the one performing the procedure.
2) please trust your gut, and, if there are no photos to show you in his office, and I know they all say we will show you once you have your appointment, beware. FYI Dr. Haywoth had an insane amout of photos to show. Try to find people that have a similar look as you do.
3) Don't go to someone just because they are less expensive. It they pass all the tests and aren't that expensive that is great. Don't be rushed into something if you don't feel right. There are plenty of people on this site that can help you make the best informed decision.
I underwent the same procedure with Dr. Hayworth along with some additional things to make me look better and to primaarily fix the botched job Dr. baker performed. I contacted his office to ask for my money back to help pay for my procedure. He said to contact the hospital. I did and they said they wouldn't help me. I tried one more time to contact Dr. Baker directly to get my money back and he nesver responded.
1) As I believe I mentioned in my review, I had asked for all the paper work. (I have had many spine and bone surgeries so I know what to look for). No where in there did it state that he did the procedure. There is a highly likely that a student may have done this. I never receved an answer from him or the hospital (it was a teaching hospital) . PLEASE make sure the person you are meeting with is the one performing the procedure.
2) please trust your gut, and, if there are no photos to show you in his office, and I know they all say we will show you once you have your appointment, beware. FYI Dr. Haywoth had an insane amout of photos to show. Try to find people that have a similar look as you do.
3) Don't go to someone just because they are less expensive. It they pass all the tests and aren't that expensive that is great. Don't be rushed into something if you don't feel right. There are plenty of people on this site that can help you make the best informed decision.
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UPDATED FROM afixerup
1 year post
DO YOUR HOMEWORK - not every surgeon works the same or has the same amount of experience
There is a saying, if you do something right the first time... Well, i didn't
Originally, I called Dr. Baker's office to make a phone appointment with him. I didn't get all my questions answered, but he was very pleasant, and had done many (supposedly) cleft pallet procedures so I thought, he knew very knowledgable about the lip and nose area. I was waiting a long time to get this procedure done so I made an appointment for the procedure and and an appointment to see him the day before. When I asked to see all the before and after photos I was promised, all he had was a photo of the one already on this website and maybe one other. My appointment was the last one of the day and he was anxious to leave so I didn’t get all my questions answered. He mocked the way other doctors did this procedure when I asked about lifting from the sides. But i did think he was going to lift from the width of the bottom of my nose. I was unclear about how he could remove 8 - 9 mm but decided to trust him and thought since my mouth wasn’t that wide, there wouldn’t be an issue. Please don’t ever let a doctor rush you and make sure you understand what your end result would look like before you have any surgery.
On the day of the surgery, I had to be sedated so I was rushed around. He never marked my face while i was awake and sitting upright or went over anything before the surgery. I was rushed to sign papers and the next thing I know I was out. When I woke up, I had a feeling that something didn’t look right. I had seen so many photos on line, and I looked ridiculous. I let things go, and decided to wait to see how I healed.
After the swelling went down, my sister kept saying something didn’t look right, that something was crooked. As it turned out, when Dr. Baker sutured me up, the alignment was off and my left philtrum ended up almost in the middle of my collumnella (you can't see perfectly from photos) and the middle of my lip was over my left front tooth. In addition, it was like he literally just lifted the center and let the rest of the lips droop (check my 1st photo you ) The end result was pretty bad. I had to wear bright lipstick to create an illusion of more of a lip on the sides. My sister and I went down to meet with him and he did acknowledge that the alignment was off. He offered to fix it but I needed the sides lifted (especially if he was going to take off more from the center. He originally said “he didn’t believe in lifting the sides” to saying “I don’t like to lift the sides”. There was no proof he has ever done that procedure and I wasn’t about to be a guinea pig. I thought and hoped in this case, he would refund my money since he “doesn’t like” or “doesn’t lift the sides”, but he passed me onto the hospital administration and I was refused. In addition, when I asked for all my paper work, it never stated that he even did the surgery. The paper work was very unprofessional and barely legible. I’m not trying to hurt Dr. Baker, I’m just letting everyone know not to take surgery lightly and to do your homework. I went to the only person I knew I would be in good hands with, Dr. Randal Haworth
Originally, I called Dr. Baker's office to make a phone appointment with him. I didn't get all my questions answered, but he was very pleasant, and had done many (supposedly) cleft pallet procedures so I thought, he knew very knowledgable about the lip and nose area. I was waiting a long time to get this procedure done so I made an appointment for the procedure and and an appointment to see him the day before. When I asked to see all the before and after photos I was promised, all he had was a photo of the one already on this website and maybe one other. My appointment was the last one of the day and he was anxious to leave so I didn’t get all my questions answered. He mocked the way other doctors did this procedure when I asked about lifting from the sides. But i did think he was going to lift from the width of the bottom of my nose. I was unclear about how he could remove 8 - 9 mm but decided to trust him and thought since my mouth wasn’t that wide, there wouldn’t be an issue. Please don’t ever let a doctor rush you and make sure you understand what your end result would look like before you have any surgery.
On the day of the surgery, I had to be sedated so I was rushed around. He never marked my face while i was awake and sitting upright or went over anything before the surgery. I was rushed to sign papers and the next thing I know I was out. When I woke up, I had a feeling that something didn’t look right. I had seen so many photos on line, and I looked ridiculous. I let things go, and decided to wait to see how I healed.
After the swelling went down, my sister kept saying something didn’t look right, that something was crooked. As it turned out, when Dr. Baker sutured me up, the alignment was off and my left philtrum ended up almost in the middle of my collumnella (you can't see perfectly from photos) and the middle of my lip was over my left front tooth. In addition, it was like he literally just lifted the center and let the rest of the lips droop (check my 1st photo you ) The end result was pretty bad. I had to wear bright lipstick to create an illusion of more of a lip on the sides. My sister and I went down to meet with him and he did acknowledge that the alignment was off. He offered to fix it but I needed the sides lifted (especially if he was going to take off more from the center. He originally said “he didn’t believe in lifting the sides” to saying “I don’t like to lift the sides”. There was no proof he has ever done that procedure and I wasn’t about to be a guinea pig. I thought and hoped in this case, he would refund my money since he “doesn’t like” or “doesn’t lift the sides”, but he passed me onto the hospital administration and I was refused. In addition, when I asked for all my paper work, it never stated that he even did the surgery. The paper work was very unprofessional and barely legible. I’m not trying to hurt Dr. Baker, I’m just letting everyone know not to take surgery lightly and to do your homework. I went to the only person I knew I would be in good hands with, Dr. Randal Haworth
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Did you have your revision with Haworth yet?
I did, I'm trying to post it but I'm having trouble.
Can't wait to see!!
What does it mean about lifting the sides? When Dr. Baker said he did not like lifting the sides, isn't what you had a bullhorn lip lift? Wouldn't the sides mean a corner lip lift?
And how would he lift the sides? Strange that he said he didn't like to lift the sides, its just another reminder to always trust our gut.
I had a lip lift with Dr Baker. There are two other women on here who also did. The other two were happy with his result. He draws the markings in a C shape (on its side) so that all the lifting is in the middle. He tells his patients he doesn't cut in a way that lifts the sides. I knew this going in, which is why I got my corners done by Haworth. Every doctor has a different technique. I was nervous about going to Haworth for my original lip lift because I was unsure about the anchoring technique he does. But the one person I know who went to him had an amazing result.
This poster, "Afixerupper" did not get the result she wanted from Baker and I, after carefully looking at the philtrum, agree he did not carefully align it. I can only guess it was because he operated on her while lying down and with her under anesthesia, as she requested, and not how he normally does it. Or maybe he just was not on his game that day. Thankfully, it appears Haworth was able to make it all work out.
This poster, "Afixerupper" did not get the result she wanted from Baker and I, after carefully looking at the philtrum, agree he did not carefully align it. I can only guess it was because he operated on her while lying down and with her under anesthesia, as she requested, and not how he normally does it. Or maybe he just was not on his game that day. Thankfully, it appears Haworth was able to make it all work out.
Some surgeons seem to have a technique that incorporates a corner lift with the bullhorn. Dr. Spiegel in Boston does this and Dr Talei in Beverly Hills too.
How do other doctors do the lift so they don't just get the middle part? The other ones must not just be cutting the two "C'" cuts as you said right? I don't want to be under anesthesia. Most are called the bullhorn lip lift right, and it catches the corners to?
I don't know their exact technique but dr Spiegel in Boston and Dr Talei in Beverly Hills seem to be able to achieve that effect. I have seen some others on this site but I don't recall their names.
Take a look at both of my lip lift postings. You will see the markings that Dr Baker did versus Spiegel. The result of the latter pulled up the parts of the lip on the side more than what Baker does. Baker does not tell his patients he can tackle the sides. He makes that very clear. And when I pressed him about a corner lip lift, he discouraged that as being too risky for a major visible scar. That was his belief. But the one I had done with Haworth left me with an acceptable scar.
Thanks for explaining it better than I could. You are much more precise.
I know you are not happy but when I compare your before picture
You look sooo much better and in your before picture your Collumnella is pulled to one side. But I do not like the way you were treated at all.
You look sooo much better and in your before picture your Collumnella is pulled to one side. But I do not like the way you were treated at all.
I learned a lot and I think it's only fair to share, educate and help. I'm very happy with my results now and am trying to post it. Dr. Haworth did an amazing job.
I do not see her collumnella pulled to the side in her before picture. Her cupids bow looks centered with her nose in the before picture and it is WAY off center in her after picture, especially if you see the picture with her teeth showing. She did not have an off centered cupids bow before. She does look better with distance of lip but who would want to have a crooked off center lip?
I was so upset when the first thing my sister said to me after all the swelling went down was, something is wrong, something is crooked. After spending all this money and risk with general anesthesia, I hated the fact that I had to spend more money, deal with more anesthesia and wait to have it corrected.
Can you post the pictures after Dr. Haworth? I will not go to Dr. Baker after knowing he does not like to lift the sides and I see what you mean in the pictures after he did you are right.
Oh I just saw he is 15,000? That is too much for me!
I'm working on posting it, I put up the review but it takes the site a bit to put it up. I then have to start posing the photos. All I have is the photo right after the surgery and it is pretty gross.
Can't wait to see what Dr Haworth was able to do to improve your outcome. I am so sorry this happened! But delighted Haworth was able to correct.
Thanks, me too!
I highly recommend checking my doctor, Dr. Amy Hsu. Dr. Hayworth cuts the muscle which is why I decided against him. He's also $15k. Dr. Hsu is a third of the price and she's impeccable. She trained under Dr. Andrew Frankel (who did my nose revision). I have a review on here. I'm 4 1/2 weeks post and am really happy.
Dr Haworth does not cut the muscle. I know because I had a lip lift with him. He does a deep suture he calls muscle hemming.
yes but I would never go to someone so expensive, since there are other people who can do this well apparently. His are great but since finding a few other people on here and elsewhere whose look equally good, thank God there are others. He really overcharges and I suspect it's his "celebrity" doc stuff which is so tacky (I am one of those who believes doctors should be ethical and not marketers to such an extreme). It's weird but I feel like bedside manner and ethics kind of go hand in hand. So if I didn't like the outcome, I feel he would be unkind which is just unbearable.
That is way higher then others, I could never afford that. I am glad this procedure is not that much money making it possible that I can get one, I HOPE!
Yeah, there is no need to cut or hem the muscle. I didn't have that and I think my result speaks for itself.
$15,000 for a lip lift is crazy, IMHO. I'd rather give the extra $10,000 to charity. Just sayin...
Dr Haworth is one of the most kindhearted doctors I have ever met. I found his bedside manor to be very sweet and professional and why he runs behind often because he spends so much time with his patients. If you did not like the outcome and you let him know, had a legitimate concern, I am pretty sure he would do everything he could to rectify it. He is a perfectionist. Like every type of surgery there are no guarantees and sometimes things do not turn out as expected. There is no surgeon on the planet who has not had something happen, an infection etc and an upset former patient. I do not see him being unkind if a surgery went bad, or if something needed a fix or touch up. That is just not my experience with him at all. I had excellent after treatment, all laser treatments and injections in scar were included and all post op appointments are included with his price. I found him to be very honest and ethical.
I can see for patients who do not live in California going to these post op appointments (if needed) may be difficult due to traveling and why their experience may be different than mine as travelling back and fourth could be a pain.
He is expensive I agree and that is not for everyone. I had to do my surgeries with him a year apart because I could not afford to do everything at once. I think his price go a bit hand in hand with his skillset too and why he is able to charge higher, patients will pay for the best of everything. It is no different with doctors in other fields, those with the most experience and skill usually are able to charge more because they are in high demand. The price also includes an anesthesiologist and he does take longer to do this procedure than skin only lip lifts. He layers sutures deep to try and limit nasal distortion and pulling and spends a lot of time suturing to pull the lip upward so more of the red shows. I really do not think any other surgeon could have made my almost non existent upper lip what it is now. The other more specialized lip procedures he does that I also had like medialised lip lift, corner and lower lip lift are surgeries other surgeons do not do or do well and another reason why he is in demand and in my opinion what really sets him apart. I think for just a basic upper lip lift you could find someone that could give you a good result, I just have not seen the other lip procedures being successfully done by others doctors. I did not know he was considered a celebrity doctor until closer to my surgery I googled him further. I absolutely did not pick him for that, I picked him for his skillset.
If you find him tacky, don't like his marketing and not your cup of tea that is ok because everyone can have their own opinion and should pick the surgeon they feel comfortable with.
I can see for patients who do not live in California going to these post op appointments (if needed) may be difficult due to traveling and why their experience may be different than mine as travelling back and fourth could be a pain.
He is expensive I agree and that is not for everyone. I had to do my surgeries with him a year apart because I could not afford to do everything at once. I think his price go a bit hand in hand with his skillset too and why he is able to charge higher, patients will pay for the best of everything. It is no different with doctors in other fields, those with the most experience and skill usually are able to charge more because they are in high demand. The price also includes an anesthesiologist and he does take longer to do this procedure than skin only lip lifts. He layers sutures deep to try and limit nasal distortion and pulling and spends a lot of time suturing to pull the lip upward so more of the red shows. I really do not think any other surgeon could have made my almost non existent upper lip what it is now. The other more specialized lip procedures he does that I also had like medialised lip lift, corner and lower lip lift are surgeries other surgeons do not do or do well and another reason why he is in demand and in my opinion what really sets him apart. I think for just a basic upper lip lift you could find someone that could give you a good result, I just have not seen the other lip procedures being successfully done by others doctors. I did not know he was considered a celebrity doctor until closer to my surgery I googled him further. I absolutely did not pick him for that, I picked him for his skillset.
If you find him tacky, don't like his marketing and not your cup of tea that is ok because everyone can have their own opinion and should pick the surgeon they feel comfortable with.
Anon,
According to your review, you had fat injections to your lips too. Don't you think that helped give you the fullness that you got, because he states on his site that the lip lift does not add volume it just changes the shape.,
According to your review, you had fat injections to your lips too. Don't you think that helped give you the fullness that you got, because he states on his site that the lip lift does not add volume it just changes the shape.,
This is how he describes his muscle hemming lip lift;
" Everts the upper lip Vermilion (rolls it outwards) to a very minor degree. I tell my patients that if they are coming to me for an upper lip lift and expect a a good deal of added "real estate" to their upper lip, they will be disappointed."
" Everts the upper lip Vermilion (rolls it outwards) to a very minor degree. I tell my patients that if they are coming to me for an upper lip lift and expect a a good deal of added "real estate" to their upper lip, they will be disappointed."
It is a lot of money. Money I don't even have (I'm paying it off). It still isn't a very popular procedure and I started looking before it was on any website. I was miserable and hated my looks. Ideally I wish I had gone to him initially when he was less, but with a procedure that isn't well known, I went to someone who has done so many of them, I just couldn't afford to take a chance just to save money. I don't do a lot for myself and now I just really feel better and am not afraid of mirrors or cameras. I'm hoping it will be posted tomorrow or Saturday.
His lip lifts absolutely added volume to my lips and added to the shape. I think it depends on what you mean by volume. In my opinion having a larger amount of lip show is adding volume and makes your lip larger. The lower lip lift adds more volume in my opinion than fat transfer. It pulls tissue together. I do think the fat transfer helped, but I am not sure how much as both were done at the same time. I also lost 28 pounds this past year and while I noticed it in my face my lips are still the same. I would say both his lip lift and fat transfer added volume. I believe Dr Haworths teqnique pulls the red portion from inside of the mouth to the outside so you have more of a lip and does not just raise it like a curtain as some doctors do. My upper lip was actually inverted so how it looks now I do not believe any other doctor could have done, and I have not seen any results like that from any other doctor. As far as lower lip the lower v-y procedure not only curled out my lower lip but also pulled tissue inward to add volume. I believe what he means by changes the shape is make your lip bigger by pulling it out and up so more of the red shows. Fat transfer can also add volume and fullness but it does not always last on everyone in the lip area.
Sorry this happened to you, but glad you were able to get it fixed. I can see what you mean especially in the pictures were your teeth show and your teeth are not centered with your lip.
What I meant is the cupids bow not aligning with center of teeth.
exactly, but you can't see it in this photo.
I noticed it in the picture above with your mouth slightly open at one month post op picture. The space in between is an improvement I agree:)
UPDATED FROM afixerup
30 days post
photos of lips with lipstick and photos of scar.
Every angle my lips look different. They look different in person than in photos, but I'm doing the best to show you the various looks as well as how this scar gell has closed up the wound!
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Wow! You are looking great!
Thanks. I'm having fun with lipstick for once!
Ver, very nice. Do you mind if I ask your age?
56, 57 on Saturday.
Wow. Such a great result. You look years younger from the first photo!!!
I don't photograph well, but if I get a good photo tonight, I can post it for a short time. Unlikely thought.
Wow! Wow! You look super great! I love the youthful shape of your mouth.
Thanks. I'm having fun with it, then after 5 months or so I'm decide if I want to replicate your perfect pout.
Thank you. So If I do another one, I'll be jail bait!
Love it! You look fantastic, the scar is almost invisible. Sorry if I missed it, but did you mention the name of the scar gel you are using?
I tried typing the distributor but had a problem with it. it's called scar away and I bought it at duane reade which is owned by walmart. I'm going to try to paste a link of the same product for less and with a massaging top sold at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/ScarAway-Treatment-Diminishing-Massaging-Applicator/dp/B004CCNAMW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1449817113&sr=8-3&keywords=scar+away I hope that works. If it doesn't, I'll see if there is a phone number.
You look amazing!
why thank you kindly...
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