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Marjorie_82
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After doing tons of research on who I should pick as a surgeon I went against my own research and went locally with Dr. Barr. I knew it wouldn't be the best outcome possible because he doesn't do much of a change if you notice from his before/after gallery. I thought I would save money and get my side profile fixed and best of all get my deviated septum fixed and be able to breathe. My before and after pictures showed minimal change and my consultation with him was what I expected. He said he didn't change the size of nostrils, he did closed rhinoplasty and that it would look more natural. I was disappointed that he didn't look inside my nose in any way to confirm if I had a deviated septum, he said he would see when he got in there. The main reason I was doing surgery was to be able to breathe and thought if I am going under I would improve my nose at the same time. My before/after pictures made me look exactly the same from the front except for a slightly smaller nose and the side view showed what I wanted, everything looked the same except the hump was gone. When I got my cast off a week later I was soo happy that I indeed had a smaller nose. However over the year as the swelling went down I was not getting my smile back. My lip had fallen down over my top teeth and were constantly rubbing on them. I always had a very toothy smile and my top teeth were the focus when I was talking. Now I felt like I had permanent duck face and a swollen lip. I looked like my face had fallen down, my top teeth were never visible. I have always been told I look young for my age, I felt like I now looked older than my actual age. My nose that was once perky and upright is now wider and points downwards. I also have a hump on one side, my nose falls too far in on the other and my tip droops down in an odd way due to lack of support. My side view is now my best angle and even on one side it is very choppy and not smooth. I had to go to the surgeon I had originally wanted to go to for a small revision. He fixed up my hanging columella and made my nostrils slightly smaller. I now have my smile back after spending the same amount of money I did on the original surgery. I still need all the other problems fixed but I will have to save up for years to even think of being able to afford it (it will cost 3 x the amount of the first surgery). I will need my nose rebroken to fix an open roof deformity, and I will need cartilage taken from my ribs to fix the lack of cartilage support on the one side and on my nose tip. Had I went with the surgeon I should have originally, I would have only spent $2000 more and I would most likely be happy right now. I have emailed and seen Dr. Barr again in person to see if he could help with these issues. I keep being told that I never said I was unhappy with the surgery - well I have told them now, so I don't see how it matters how I felt as it was still healing. I have also been told that he could have fixed my hanging columella/nostril size himself if he had known. The surgeon who fixed this issue actually emailed Dr. Barr prior to the surgery, so he knew. They keep making me feel that it is my fault that I am upset with my surgery and he has taken no accountability for the errors in my outcome. He did go over a solution for my hump on the one side (shaving my lateral nasal bones), but the other surgeon said my nose would have to be rebroken for it to be fixed properly and I trust his opinion more. I do not believe Dr. Barr is specialized enough to do the intricate work a rhinoplasty entails. It took him 45 mins to mess up my face and it would have taken the other surgeon 3-4 hours to do it properly. Please if you really want to change your nose, go to another surgeon. I wasn't going to post this as I don't like complaining openly, but I don't want someone else to go through what I am going through. I hate looking in the mirror every single day.

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Scott Barr, MD

Scott Barr, MD

Certified Plastic Surgeon

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UPDATED FROM Marjorie_82
3 years post

Go to a Rhinoplasty Specialist

Marjorie_82

Well it's been over 3 years since my rhinoplasty with Dr, Barr and I still hate my face so much that it's has ruined my self esteem and I'm constantly depressed about it. I can not afford a full revision. I've had a minor one that has helped but still can't handle the face in the mirror. Dr. Barr is not specialized in rhinoplasty, do not go to him. So many bells went off and I didn't listen to them. He didn't do an internal nose exam, said he didn't do open rhinoplasty or change the nostril size at all, he asked me 5 mins before going under about curving my tip up a little (you can not make decisions right before going under the knife). He is arrogant and did not listen to my concerns afterwards, nothing is his fault it is all mine. My fault was trusting him even after I had doubts I shouldn't, I was just too excited to be able to breathe and not care about the size of my nose anymore. I've had a minor revision my pictures are my original nose, after Dr. Barr and then after my revision with a good surgeon.

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February 8, 2020
Even though I know you’re unhappy with the results, I hope it helps a tiny bit that I find your new nose to be a great visual improvement. I do hope you end up with what you’re looking for though, especially with all of its functionality.
March 5, 2020
Thank you so much for your kind words, I really do appreciate them!
March 5, 2020
thanks so much for your review. May I ask what were the alarm bells going off before the procedure more specifically?

I think some might ignore them thinking that they are just nerves so I appreciate giving your thoughts.
March 18, 2020
Yes of course anyway I can help someone. I didn't like a couple of his photos in his gallery. I told myself that they were older pics and he probably would be better now and that I was getting such a minor change that it wouldn't be a big deal. A friend of a friend told me he didn't do any tip work, but I thought I didn't need any done. He told me he did closed rhinoplasty only as it looked more natural. He didn't do an internal exam of my nose. What he told me my nose would look like and the before and after photos were very different. He asked me if he could curve my nose up a little 5 minutes before I went under the knife. Everything in my body told me to not do it, but the voice in my head wanting to be able to breathe and excited about getting rid of my large hump won over. If I could get my money back somehow I would feel a little better, but nothing will every give me my face back and it makes me cry on a regular basis. I will never be crazy beautiful, but I underestimated how much I could hate my nose more than the one I had. I kept saying before the procedure that he can't make me look any worse as my nose will be smaller. I was soo wrong. I would pick to have a fantastically better nose or my old nose but not the one I have. So people really need to think about the possibility of having an outcome that is worse for them then what they have now. Also no one warned me that a nose job can completely change the position of your upper lip. So many things to consider and you can't take it back!
March 23, 2022
This would be so tough to dislike your results.. I’m sorry you feel this way. I personally think your after results are beautiful I know everyone has their own opinion and is tougher when it’s about their own feature but I see a big improvement in your nose shape. Hopefully it brings you a little peace knowing others don’t see your nose as bad as you do.
March 23, 2022
Thanks so much for your kind response. I do see the improvement that others see. However it's when I smile that I have a tough time. I have no cartilage support to the tip of my nose and it falls down and inwards on the sides. I am hoping to take out a loan this summer and pay the big bucks to get it fixed. Sorry long response! Thanks again for your comment. Every little bit helps my self esteem :)
March 23, 2022
It’s only important how YOU feel since it’s your face and something you see daily! Wish you the best in your journey forward and hope you do end up with results you love in the future
March 23, 2022
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March 28, 2022
Hi, I've commented before on your postings. Dr. Barr did a lower facelift and neck lift on me almost two years ago and my complaints are similar. Like the previous commenter, I think that you look lovely but totally understand how you may not be pleased with how you view yourself making certain expressions. If I have my face in a semi smile to lift corners of my mouth (which is hard to do all the time) I don't look bad but in many expressions, my face looks very jowly especially on the side he lifted the most, it literally looks like a disc with no definition and it is very numb and pulling on ears all the time. I can't figure out how the facelift dropped so quickly although from the beginning the angle he pulled it was odd . I am also still saving for some revision but are you feeling nervous about a new surgeon and what the result may be? After Dr. Barr's careless work and rude and cutting responses to questions about my results I'm very skittish about who to trust and finding a good surgeon who also explains and listens...not a narcisist. Dr. Barr used gaslighting to shut down questions and discussion.
UPDATED FROM Marjorie_82
4 years post

5 year Update - Still unbearable

Marjorie_82
Well it will be 5 years in a couple months. I still look in the mirror EVERYDAY and hate myself for having a rhinoplasty done. I especially think of Dr. Barr and how much he messed up my nose and with it has gone any self confidence that I had. I can't even bring myself to be around people who knew what I looked like before. I know I shouldn't care soo much about what I look like, and there are far more serious things in my life and in the world I should worry about. Its not about being pretty, I just can't look in the mirror and figure out who I am anymore.
I recently found my old photos of my before and after photo's from Dr. Barr - both the projected ones and what was actually my result. It show's better how I had better structure to my nose beforehand. It became just a soft blob afterwards, my lip fell down and the appearance of my nose is much wider. Also how far off his projection was to what he did.
He still tries to justify after every review I do on his Facebook page or Google how wrong I am and how great he is.

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January 21, 2022
I can relate to your story very well. I had facial surgery at Dr. Barr's office and wish that I had found a plastic surgeon who specializes in facial surgery, not breast surgery as he does. I also missed the warning signals. When I asked questions they were brushed aside quickly and after my surgery he took every question personally. It was about him not me. After surgery when I asked about the extreme swelling on one side of my face, (which has ended up in an irregular result) he said (not quoting exact words) that my question didn't offend him as he knew that he had done an excellent job. I now see that he is narcissistic in his attitude and questions offend and threaten his inflated ego. You are very correct that if you go on his barrplasticsurgery.com and read any of the negative comments, his responses are mean and belittling. I wish that I had paid more attention to that. I am left with hanging platysma under my jaw and full droopy jowls, especially on the side that he did the most work on that was swollen for over a year now it sags worse than before. I also have scarring that is very obvious and malar bags now. I have tightness and downward pressure on my face constantly. I do agree with the other commenter that you look very pretty in both your before and after photos but someone who didn't know me previously may not realize that some areas are worse than before so I understand your feelings. I didn't tell my friends or family other than my husband of my surgery and the result does make me shy away from seeing them. At least my issues were aging before but now with the scaring, dropped cheeks, odd jowling, (and I also now have a cobra neck deformity from over scooping out of fat under jaw), I worry that someone will figure out that it is botched surgery and I will appear shallow and kind of pathetic. I'm sorry that this was so long but I think that there are more than a few patients of Dr. Barr who hesitate to post poor results due to his lengthy and defamatory responses when patients do. I appreciate that you posted. thank you
January 22, 2022
My heart goes out to, as I understand some of what your going through. Thank you for telling me your story. I feel less crazy and more validated. I really appreciate it. I agree about his narcissistic personality. He will never admit that he did wrong or is in over his head for some of these surgeries. I really wish I could take away our pain and I hope at least we can prevent people from going to him. Here's hoping we win the lottery and can afford the crazy amount for revisions, or I guess just learn to love the new us (but unfortunately I don't think that is likely). Thanks again for sharing ❤️
January 22, 2022
How kind of you to respond. I felt the same way when I read your review, validated. He can quote his big numbers for plastic surgery patients, yet only 61 have reviewed him on this site. That could indicate that there are many others like us who are dissatisfied and experienced gaslighting when bringing up their concerns in person with him post surgery which disinclined them towards posting a negative review. Also, after reading the annoyed retorts that he posts after unhappy reviews, (especially evident for patients posting unhappy comments on his own website), it is daunting to post and wait for what he may come up with. Interestingly, most other physicians respond to comments (if they respond at all), with a short polite response to the effect that they aim to achieve a positive result for their patients and to contact the office. I see very few of them with annoyed retorts. Dr. Barr must always retort with an explanation as to why the patient is wrong and he is always right. When I asked about revision, which I would have paid for, he said that there is no revision. The surgeon who I have seen for an assessment said that all of my concerns are valid and can be revised (at considerable cost) but that I will never get back the loss of feeling on both side of my face and under my jaw. Again, thanks, and sorry that I'm wordy again but your posting was so helpful. All the very best to you!
January 22, 2022
Yes! I just can't understand the lack of bad reviews. But all you said makes sense. I wish you all the best too. If I ever win a big lottery I will let you know so I can help us both be happier again! Take care
January 24, 2022
it's a deal. I'll message you if I ever win the lottery to pay for revision surgery also. In the meantime each of our learned lessons due to very disappointing results with Dr. Barr may encourage someone to look for a surgeon who specializes in faces, not breasts or body for a Rhinoplasty or Facelift. I've seen that advice many times unfortunately not before my surgery.
January 25, 2022
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