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3rd Jaw Surgery/1st Double Jaw Surgery - Upper Jaw Still Slanted - 3D Titanium Plate Removed - Lower Jaw Now Slanted

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3 years post

Opt for Orthodontics only if you can, jaw surgery is not safe!

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WaterFlossOctober 15, 2025
$16,000
Anyone looking to get this done, please do not. Find less invasive and more stable alternatives if you can, botched surgery is not something you want to end up with. Make sure you discuss what they intend to do if your surgery ends up botched and just don't accept when they say the likelihood of that happening is rare or not to worry. In the end, you are the one that will live with the botched outcome, not them. What you gain is not worth what you lose. It is not worth it.

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Friedman and Cardenas did my 3rd surgery and I feel I was overcharged since they did not complete the upper jaw alignment correction and other things Friedman said I would need to agree to if he were to do my surgery. These surgeons predominantly removed a 3D discontinued plate the 2nd surgeon put in which made my jaw askew and off-midline. The surgery did end up taking 5hrs instead of 3hrs which I was told was due to problems with removal of the 1-piece 3D titanium discontinued plate the second surgeon, Sultan, put in.. I asked alot of questions and not sure how I ended up in this position. So not only do I have the functional issues caused by the severe surgically created cant, gum and bone loss in the fracture area where my jaw was cut during the original surgery with Matouk, temperature sensitivity, financial strain but also I have to struggle with the issues of devastating jaw misalignment every day. Friedman was listed on my insurance but claimed he would not take on my case unless I did not go through insurance assuring me he was capable of fixing the obvious slant that resulted from Matouk's surgery. Friedman also told me he would only do the surgery if I agreed to double jaw, upper lip control lipectomy, genioplasty, nasal cinch suturing and steptoplasty, bony augmentation and osteoplasty so I did. The pictures clearly show those weren't done. I took out a loan to pay for this surgery in hopes of getting relief from the original surgeron's, Matouk's botched lefort 1 3-piece surgery but not only did that not happen, it will take me 4-5 years to pay it back. Essentially now I am literally "paying for the mistakes of the botched surgery" in more ways than I could have ever imagined. This jaw debaucle has been really hard for me to try to see positively. I would not wish what I am going through on anyone. Since the first jaw surgery in 2017, this is not the life I'd ever imagined for myself nor did I ever think at that time I would go through two additional surgeries and be way worse off than I was when I started. I pray to God to give me strength and see me through this trial and tribulation.

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3 years post

Current Jaw Misalignment 5-6-25

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WaterFlossMay 6, 2025
I wanted to show a current video of my upper jaw misalignment lost jaw surgery. The cant seems very obvious to me and it is painful on my joints trying to force my lower jaw into it. I regret surgery since getting this fix seems impossible. Can anyone tell me what alternatives available to me to get some relief from this surgically canted upper jaw?

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WaterFloss
May 7, 2025
The orthodontist that handled my case verified I have a cant with x-rays. The orthodontist I saw earlier this week was referred by a prosthetician the next county over that I went to in order to find viable options for functional issues that I am having with the misaligned jaw. The prosthetician did see the issue which he mentioned appeared to be about a 5cm deviation but thought it was more of an orthodontic or surgery related issue instead. I think I should have seen an orthodontist who specializes in TADs instead of unknowingly seeing one affiliated with the surgeon that did the lefort 1 3-piece that surgery creating this issue. An employee mentioned they use that surgeon all the time towards end of my visit. And during the pictures taken there which I took laid back in a chair, the tech kept using his thumb to move my jaw where he wanted it instead of where it naturally goes for pictures. Due to the cant I have a sliding bite when it contacts on the right it slides behind my teeth due to the slant. I don't have much of a resting bite which this other orthodontist did acknowledge but then made the statement my normal bite should be to go into the misaligned upper jaw to which I had already been determined to have a cant and doing that was causing me more pain and not an option. So, this is the cycle I am facing.
If you are looking to have this done to fix an open-bite, please understand that this surgery is very major. It has been my experience that jaw surgeons try to make you not worry about things not going right but if they do go wrong, they will not or may possibly not be able to correct it. I am having major issue with my cant so I have no choice but to seek relief. I am still hoping and praying for relief with the misaligned upper jaw.
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3 years post

4-6-25

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WaterFlossApril 6, 2025
My Jaw journey started in 2017. I never imagined how this would have altered my life. The first surgeon Matouk that worked on my initial Class III open bite created the 3-4 cm cant was out of network. The 2nd sugeon Sultan that used an out-dated 1 piece 3d plate and slanted my midline further and did nothing to ease the cant was in network. The 3rd surgeons Cardenas & Sultan surgical outcome resulted in the removal of the plate and now altering of my lower jaw that was fine initially now slightly canted with the 3-4cm upper jaw. I feel like I paid for surgeons to correct what other surgeons did and I am stuck with the outcome. I will include pictures of my before this 3rd surgery and current jaw alignment. At this point I am at a loss and looking to maybe just do prosthetics.

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