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Asymmetrical face, abusive charges and lack of disclosure of fillers/amounts used

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Asymmetrical Face, Abusive Charges and Lack of Disclosure of Fillers/Amounts Used

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michelemar
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I am married to a physician and have used facial fillers for many many years, and after my board certified Plastic/Reconstructive surgeon retired I came to Deb Tri at Simplicity Medspa based on a friend's recommendation. The results of my visit is one of the worst experiences I've ever had. I knew what I wanted (various facial fillers). Deb put me in a chair and agreed that I needed fillers to replace lost volume in my face. She started injecting my face never telling me what fillers she was using, nor the amount used. After more then an hour she handed me a mirror saying she was done, and I noticed marked asymmetry in my face, pointed this out to her, and she then injected more fillers in the side of my face where I had less "volume." She then handed me the mirror again, and despite swelling there seemed to be an improvement - case done.

I went to the front to pay her, and that's when I almost fainted as she handed me a bill for $6100.00. Never at any time during my visit did she indicate what her prices were, or what fillers she was using on my face or the amount used. I immediately questioned her about the bill, and she pulled out a small scrap of paper which I saw for about 5 seconds which had a list of between 5-7 fillers (I don't remember the exact number as I saw the paper for such a short time). I noted that the prices and the amount of the fillers used were not on this hand written note she showed me. She wrote the amount of $6100.00, and when I stated that I had been using fillers for years, and never ever paid this type of price she lowered the price my $1000.00 immediately bringing it down to $5100.00. I then stated that my ex doctor (Deb is an ARPN) charged me between $2500-$2800 per visit she said "well maybe she was buying her drugs illegally from Canada" what the heck? Really a board certified surgeon who was a business partner of mine, and long time friend, would risk her medical license to make a few bucks - the statement was one of the most offensive and rude statements anyone has ever said to me. Additionally, I paid the same amount from other Plastic/Reconstructive surgeons for facial fillers so this wasn't an anomaly in price from someone I happened to know. I again questioned Deb and she again lowered the price another $100 bringing my total bill to $5000.00 for facial fillers (I do know she used Voluma XL and Botox, but beyond those 2 I don't remember the names of other fillers used). My face hurt, I was in shock and paid her what I considered an exorbitant and unfair amount. If at any time she had told me the price of her services, and given me the option to either use her services or not, I could have made an educated decision. But as I stated she never stated the cost of her work, the price of the fillers she was going to use on me, or the amount of fillers she used after she was done. There was never at any point the mention of money. What would she have done if I didn't have the resources to pay this incredibly high bill???!!! To make matters worse I texted her today (based on my friend's advice who has gone to Deb before she told me Deb would answer my text), and she never responded. I used her site, tonight, to email her directly as I have asymmetry in my face and one side is much fuller then the other. This is a medical concern and has nothing to do with her over zealous charges, nor her lack of disclosure for her costs, and the names, and amount of fillers she used in my face. So tomorrow I will attempt to seek her medical advice about the asymmetry I have on my face, and also get the full information about what fillers were used, and the amounts which were injected into my face. This whole experience has left me most unhappy first, and foremost, I'm concerned that I have marked asymmetry due to her injections. Secondly, her complete lack of disclosure about costs, fillers used, and amounts used is highly unprofessional. Third, the fact I contacted her today, and simply left a nice text asking her to call as I was having a problem, and she didn't return the call, is most concerning. What if I had redness, a fever, etc., and she has chosen not to return my call? I will update this review if, or when, I finally hear from her. I have been to numerous Physicians in the past for fillers (not nurse practitioners), and they disclosed everything up front, and their prices were 1/2 the price of this nurse practitioner. Secondly, I was always told in the past prior to injection what was being used and the amounts used. I was always told a price for the services, or an approximation of the price, and if the doctor got close to the agreed on price they advised me, and offered to let me spend more, or stop the service. I am accountable for being too trusting, and assuming that her prices would be commensurate with what I've paid in the past; therefore, I must be accountable for being lax, and not asking her what she was going to charge, use, etc. Even when I questioned all of this at the end of the visit all I got was a quick glance at scrap of paper with filler names on it - no prices, no itemized statement, no amount of the fillers used, etc. Without a doubt this is one of the most unprofessional medical experiences I've ever had in my life, and I would not recommend this individual to anyone I know. Lastly, the fact I've had a medical complication and she did not even call me back is by far the worse thing from this whole experience.

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January 26, 2019
Michele, Thank you for your feedback. As a small business owner I take pride in providing excellent service, competitive pricing and above all, excellent results. I am always willing to improve on constructive feedback from my clients. However, I am surprised by your account of the experience as my recollection and impression is quite different from yours. You gave me the impression that you were really happy with your results, but not happy with the cost. Furthermore, a greater concern is that I have not received any text messages, voice messages or email messages from you as stated in your response. I am going to reach out to you to be sure you have my correct contact information. I am hoping that I can address your other concerns to improve on my end about your review. Just to be clear, my business phone is a land line and does not accept text messages. Best regards, Debra
May 8, 2019
It's a shame that if your professional you replied publicly to this individual. You should have replied personally to her unless you are afraid that she will discredit you like you deserve
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May 8, 2019
You hit the nail on the head - Deb Tri has actually posted patient's names on websites when they've complained about her before. She is truly an unethical and unprofessional individual. Karma has a way of serving those that need it in life. Thank you for your kind response.
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May 17, 2019
Just so you know Debra Tri's above response was filled with lies as she did finally call me in an aggressive manner and admitted she got my texts and emails, but doesn't usually check them! It's now may and I've received zero refund as I refuse to take down my truthful reviews to get 1/2 my money back (she's not concerned about my health only the money), she has never sent me my medical records after 3 written requests so I've no idea what's in my face, or how much, and lastly, I never signed a HIPAA form which is a major finable violation on her part, and lastly she called me once and then started attacking me on every site I dared to post the damage she did to my face. How can she possibly live with herself knowing what she's done to my once nice face? Thank you for your kind comment and advice. You were correct she replied to me here trying to hurt and embarrass me - well it didn't work. ;-)
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January 29, 2019
Debra as you know I called you once with no voicemail, and then proceeded to try and contact you everyday through your own website and the area which is specifically indicated on YOUR SITE to contact you. I finally got in touch with you as someone I know has seen you before and gave me your cell number. I was going to come see you this coming Wednesday to try and rectify this situation, but when the redness and swelling started I lost all confidence in your ability to deal with a potentially serious infection in my face. After my visit as I had developed asymmetry in my face, the left side of my face is now hot, red and swollen and it is a doctor's opinion that I'm developing cellulitis (which has never happened to me before), and my brows have dropped to such an extent from misapplication of Botox that I'm most unhappy with the results. As I discussed with you today given the costs I will incur for antibiotics, and trying to fix the asymmetry in my face I asked you for a refund and your response "was what about my costs" - shocking in my opinion. I sent you photographic proof that I'd sent email's/text through your site which you claim you did not receive. I also sent you pictures of my face swollen on the L side with a large circle of redness (the swelling and redness are increasing, and it has now been six days since you injected my face). You admitted that you never gave me a bill, you never told me the costs, or even an approximation of the costs, you did not give me any documentation on anything, in fact, and I have no idea exactly what you injected into my face. I will incur, as stated above, additional medical costs trying to correct what has happened to my face. I will post the pictures that I've sent you to prove that I'm not imagining what has happened to me, or lying about trying to reach you through your site. This experience has been very negative, and the fact that you argued with me even after admitting you were concerned with the redness and swelling about refunding my money for a job poorly done is disheartening and has made me feel terrible. You have claimed that you will be looking into why you didn't receive my multiple messages through your website where it specifically says you can be contacted, and I hope you resolve this problem as I had no other way to reach you until someone gave me a cell number for you many days after treatment. I will also enclose one copy of a picture showing I tried to contact you through your website. I'm mortified to put my swollen, red, and painful face on a public forum, but since you still believe that you did nothing wrong I feel the pictures will speak for themselves. I expect, per our discussion, that I receive a refund at my home address. Given your concerns for your costs over my health I told you for you to do what ever your conscience tells you to do. If I were you I would refund a patient that has had my experiences 100%, but then I'm not you. I wish you well, but I can say this is a experience that I never wish to repeat with any medical provider, and I'm most upset as this is my face that has been adversely affected. Btw I did have your correct site information - to be clear, again, - and I did send you an email a day it is a problem on your end with your site not me.
April 1, 2019
this is awful this lady has to stop doing this to people, clearly she is one the worst injectors out there, I hope people do their research before going to her.
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May 8, 2019
I agree that she must be stopped which is why I've exposed my face to public scrutiny. This was not easy for me to do as I'm a very private person, but I don't want any other potential patient to be injured by this incompetent woman. Thank you for your kind response.
May 8, 2019
I am so sorry about your horrible experience. I too had a horrible experience and paid over $7,500 and then an additional 7802 just have everything removed. I have been so depressed and despondent. The Physician refused to refund my money and I have been ashamed to go public but now seeing your response I am going to post pictures and everything I can to discredit this physician. I hope things get better for you and I will be looking for future posts.

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May 17, 2019
Twinkistarr please see my response to you below.
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May 8, 2019
I'm sorry that you've had a similar experience. I posted my very private photos of my face in public forums to hopefully stop any future patients from an injury such as mine from Deb Tri in Seattle, WA. I wish you well in the future, and thank you for your kind response.
May 12, 2019
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Downtime after a procedure is bad enough. When downtime is over and the realization that something went terribly wrong, is devastating. I went through this many years ago with a lower lid bleph gone horribly wrong. I was able to find another doctor to fix it and have stayed with her as my cosmetic service provider since then. I wish you the best of luck in your recovery. I hope you find a compassionate and skilled doctor to help you fix this so you can live your best life.
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May 17, 2019
Dear Persistent thank you for you smart, kind and compassionate message. Given this Deb Tri never has released my medical records after 3 written requests I have assumed I will never know what, or how much, filler or the types of fillers she used in my face. This leaves me with a problem as I can't get my face fixed until I know what's in it. I'm just praying that she used all legal fillers approved by the FDA as there is a huge market in non-approved fillers - luckily that issue is more prevalent in Europe than the US. Anyway, I take it day by day, and love myself not matter what; after all, I have no choice in how I look at this moment in time 5 months later and still counting. Thank you for your kindness as all the kind comments have helped to me deal with this tragic situation.
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Pictures showing attempt to communicate through spa site, and swelling, redness and asymmetry of face

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The following pictures and a written response are provided after talking to Deb Tri, today - January 28, 2019. I'm most unhappy with her response, and since she seemed not to believe that I was trying to reach her due to problems with my face I'm posting the exact pictures, and proof of my attempts to reach her through her website. I did send these same pictures to Ms. Tri who has declined to compensate me by returning the money I spent to look this way. Given the lack of communication from the moment I saw her until now, and the results of getting a cellulitis in my face, asymmetry hopefully caused by the infection (I've never had any infection with any other person giving me injections) and fallen brows due to Botox I'm most unhappy. Deb Tri will have to let her conscience guide her in doing whatever she considers is the right thing to fix a situation with a patient that is most unhappy from start to bad ending. Given when I asked her for a refund her response "was what about my costs" I don't expect to do what I would do if I were in her situation. I am very unhappy with all that has occurred and terrified that my face will remain asymmetrical.

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January 29, 2019
Addendum - to be clear Ms. Tri has said she will compensate me some amount - at this time unknown, but she very clearly stated when I asked for a full refund for my pain, suffering and bad outcome "what about my costs." So clearly she does not believe I'm entitled to a full refund despite the poor outcome of her services - her choice, but not a choice I'd make.
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January 30, 2019
Today Deb Tri sent me an email demanding that I sign a "release" with a witness and remove all my negative reviews which are 100% truthful from any site where I've placed a review. She then stated in writing that if I signed her release, and ONLY AFTER I removed my honest reviews would she refund me 1/2 of what I spent at her "spa." I was shocked and appalled that a medical provider would be so unaware as to threaten me in writing, and to refuse to refund my money for a job poorly done unless I removed my reviews from here, Google, and Yelp. I put my face and full name on every review to prove that I took this whole experience very seriously. Additionally Deb Tri has refused to accept any responsibility for her poor medical care, and puts all of the blame on the patient. Last night I looked on the web for other reviews of this "spa" and to my shock and horror I'm not the only one that has had the same experience with Deb Tri. All one has to do is type in the spa name - Simplicity Medspa - and search for reviews, and up pop numerous 1 star reviews. Ms. Tri's typical response is one of two things - either deny, deny, deny, and argue with the patient blaming the patient for her mistakes, or to say she has no idea who the patient is. She is a danger to the public in my opinion, and at the very least needs to have her medical skills reviewed. Evidently - although I have no direct knowledge of this - another reviewer had a terrible experience with her and stated that she has gone from one spa to another due to the numerous problems she has had. You can find this review on a site called Dirty Scam, and the other negative reviews which are similar to my experience on Google, Yelp and Birdseye. Since Deb Tri loves to place the blame on the patient I will copy and include the parts of her email where she demands that I remove my reviews to receive any of the money I spent for this debacle. The quotes below are part of the email that Deb Tri sent to me today demanding I recant honest reviews in exchange for money. I'm appalled and distressed that a medical practitioner would go this far to avoid responsibility for a medical service which caused harm to a patient. This woman needs to think about her moral and ethical beliefs, in my opinion.

"I have to tell you that I really just want to be done with this nightmare as well. I am willing to compromise and send you a refund for my professional services. But not without you signing a written release that you will agree to remove your reviews posted on various social media sites, and agree to refrain from ever posting any defaming remarks on such internet social media sites about me, or Simplicity Medspa in the future."...
"Please let me know if you would like to resolve this as I mentioned above and I will take the necessary steps to have the release sent to you to have you sign it and also have a witness sign it. No refund payment will be made until you remove your reviews.
Once we have a signed release agreement, and you have removed reviews from all the various sites, then I will send you a check for $2500.00 dollars and we both can be done with this very unfortunate and horrific experience. "

"I hope that I hear a response from you by 5 pm tomorrow, Wednesday, January 30, 2019.

Debra "

To other patients considering going to this place of business I suggest you do your due diligence and research her multiple negative reviews on the internet. I have never "defamed" this ARNP as that would be a lie, or false statement. I would not have put my face, or name, on all my reviews and exposed myself looking horribly if I imagined any of this in any way. Unfortunately Ms. Tri seems to have had a really unprofessional and extreme reaction to my honest reviews of my experience with her. To threaten me and withhold my money (btw the $2500 is only 1/2 of what I paid) in lieu of me signing a release, promising never to write a review about her again, to remove all of my reviews, and only after ALL OF DEB TRI'S REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN met she would then give me a 50% refund - well I don't think so. Please keep the money, Deb, there are better ways to deal with this sort of horrible medical care.
January 31, 2019
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February 19, 2019
Debra your INABILITY TO TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY IS APPALLING. Look at people's comments advising me to sue you, and other remedies. You are an appallingly poor provider, unskilled, unaccountability and in general a highly UNPROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL. Find a new job where you can't harm others - that's my opinion. Every time you reply with a nasty comment you just make yourself look like what you are an uncaring and unprofessional nurse.
March 4, 2019
wow. what an awful practitioner. you ruined this woman's face and traumatised her and instead of being supportive you now want her to remove evidence in exchange for giving her a refund? i hope everyone is warned to stay away from you.
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May 8, 2019
Thank you so much for your kind response. I'm glad that you read Deb Tri's vile response, and can see through her manipulative and highly unethical behavior.
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May 9, 2019
I am so sorry I am going through the Exact same thing right now Doctor doing the exact same thing putting it back on me it is really heartbreaking and makes me feel bad as a woman I can imagine you feel the same way and embarrassed I am so sorry I can sympathize completely
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May 17, 2019
Magstrant77 I'm so sorry that you are going through a similar experience. You can't tell from these pictures, but I used to be a nice looking woman, but after these injections I don't even recognize myself anymore. Perhaps this is the hardest thing about this whole experience - the horrific hit your self esteem takes when you no longer look like the person you've always been. You are correct that I've been embarrassed to go out with my face still looking like this from January until May. Debra Tri (as you can see in my update) never refunded me a cent, she threatened me on this site, and others, but at least RealSelf took down her hurtful response, and lastly she never released my medical records so I have no idea, nor how much, of what ever products/product she has put in my face. Given I don't know what's in my face I can't really seek a medical remedy to get anything fixed as there are so many different types of fillers on the market, now. I offer you my sympathy that you've had to go through a similar experience, and I beg of you to just write the truth about what happened to you so that you can prevent other's in your area from being hurt by the doctor that hurt you. This was never about the money for me, but about this ARNP taking accountability for her mistakes and acting in a moral and ethical manner - she has never done any of these things. Given that it is almost June and I still haven't received ANY medical records I will assume that I never will. I wonder how this woman that did this to my face sleeps at night? All I know is I was willing to expose myself looking my worst to save other potential patients from being hurt by an unqualified practitioner. I hope you get better soon, and please post the name of the physician that hurt your face to prevent others from being hurt. I wish you well and thank you for your support
March 4, 2019
sue her. the fact you signed some form does not give her the right to charge you $6100 for giving you cellulitis.
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Demand by Deb Tri - her email speaks for itself - this is appalling from a medical practitioner

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Today Deb Tri sent me an email demanding that I sign a "release" with a witness and remove all my negative reviews which are 100% truthful from any site where I've placed a review. She then stated in writing that if I signed her release, and ONLY AFTER I removed my honest reviews would she refund me 1/2 of what I spent at her "spa." I was shocked and appalled that a medical provider would be so unaware as to threaten me in writing, and to refuse to refund my money for a job poorly done unless I removed my reviews from here, Google, and Yelp. I put my face and full name on every review to prove that I took this whole experience very seriously. Additionally Deb Tri has refused to accept any responsibility for her poor medical care, and puts all of the blame on the patient. Last night I looked on the web for other reviews of this "spa" and to my shock and horror I'm not the only one that has had the same experience with Deb Tri. All one has to do is type in the spa name - Simplicity Medspa - and search for reviews, and up pop numerous 1 star reviews. Ms. Tri's typical response is one of two things - either deny, deny, deny, and argue with the patient blaming the patient for her mistakes, or to say she has no idea who the patient is. She is a danger to the public in my opinion, and at the very least needs to have her medical skills reviewed. Evidently - although I have no direct knowledge of this - another reviewer had a terrible experience with her and stated that she has gone from one spa to another due to the numerous problems she has had. You can find this review on a site called Dirty Scam, and the other negative reviews which are similar to my experience on Google, Yelp and Birdseye. Since Deb Tri loves to place the blame on the patient I will copy and include the parts of her email where she demands that I remove my reviews to receive any of the money I spent for this debacle. The quotes below are part of the email that Deb Tri sent to me today demanding I recant honest reviews in exchange for money. I'm appalled and distressed that a medical practitioner would go this far to avoid responsibility for a medical service which caused harm to a patient. This woman needs to think about her moral and ethical beliefs, in my opinion.

"I have to tell you that I really just want to be done with this nightmare as well. I am willing to compromise and send you a refund for my professional services. But not without you signing a written release that you will agree to remove your reviews posted on various social media sites, and agree to refrain from ever posting any defaming remarks on such internet social media sites about me, or Simplicity Medspa in the future."...
"Please let me know if you would like to resolve this as I mentioned above and I will take the necessary steps to have the release sent to you to have you sign it and also have a witness sign it. No refund payment will be made until you remove your reviews.
Once we have a signed release agreement, and you have removed reviews from all the various sites, then I will send you a check for $2500.00 dollars and we both can be done with this very unfortunate and horrific experience. "

"I hope that I hear a response from you by 5 pm tomorrow, Wednesday, January 30, 2019.

Debra "

To other patients considering going to this place of business I suggest you do your due diligence and research her multiple negative reviews on the internet. I have never "defamed" this ARNP as that would be a lie, or false statement. I would not have put my face, or name, on all my reviews and exposed myself looking horribly if I imagined any of this in any way. Unfortunately Ms. Tri seems to have had a really unprofessional and extreme reaction to my honest reviews of my experience with her. To threaten me and withhold my money (btw the $2500 is only 1/2 of what I paid) in lieu of me signing a release, promising never to write a review about her again, to remove all of my reviews, and only after ALL OF DEB TRI'S REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN met she would then give me a 50% refund - well I don't think so. Please keep the money, Deb, there are better ways to deal with this sort of horrible medical care.

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February 6, 2019
Hmmm..... I would file a medical MALPRACTICE suit and see a Lawyer because that is abuse!
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February 19, 2019
I agree and thank you so much for your support I'm currently looking at all possible remedies, and I've reported her to the Washington Board of Medial Quality Assurance and filed a formal complaint. I'm not the first, nor will, I be the last person that Ms. Debra Tri injures, refuses to take accountability for the damage she has caused, and keeps all your money as it's her right, I guess, to hurt people and not refund them or be accountable. This woman is a danger to the community in my opinion.
March 8, 2019
I am a man .... and I would kick deb tri in a hole she would regret ... and charge her for it !
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May 8, 2019
Thank you for your response, and I agree. Let's see what happens in the near future.
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February 12, 2019
Wow that's awful. Sorry you had to go through this. Thanks for your post it was helpful.
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February 19, 2019
Thank you for your support as the highly unethical individual that did this damage keeps refusing to do what is right - refunding me, and taking accountability for her actions. If you look on the internet she has so many bad reviews and has caused harm to many of her "patients" in my opinion.
March 8, 2019
you need to file a complaint against this woman deb tri. clearly your content and your pictures are real and honest ... deb tri must have her practise stopped if she won't refund you all your money back ... clearly she put a bill in because she had some target to get . some of these doctors and practitioners do this when they want to make quick bucks. getting clarity is always best.
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May 8, 2019
I agree with all you stated above, Raul, and thank you for your kind comments.
May 13, 2019
Wow how disgraceful and unethical! Sadly I had a similar situation, not to the that extent but also blaming me for the horrible job done by the nurse who was clearly not qualify to do under eye fillers. Fortunately after many returns to get it dissolved, it looked somewhat ok, but I still have uneven lumps and is darker than usual.