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INFINI RF + Fraxel CO2 (Asian Skin type)

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INFINI RF + Fraxel CO2 (Asian Skin type)

GodenJanuary 9, 2017
$3,500
I did 2 INFINI RF + Fraxel CO2 last year and finally got my pictures from the doctor with all parameters
9/24/16
Infini 1st pass level 3 Pulse Time 300 msec depth 3.5 mm
2nd pass level 3 pulse time 300 msec depth 2.5 mm
3rd pass level 3 pulse time 200 msec depth 1.5 mm
then right after Fractional CO2 beam size 120 um peak power 30 watt pulse energy 20 mJ
11/11/16
Infini 1st pass level 3 Pulse Time 300 msec depth 3.5 mm
2nd pass level 3 pulse time 300 msec depth 2.5 mm
3rd pass level 3 pulse time 200 msec depth 2.0 mm
4th pass level 3 pulse time 100 msec depth 1.5 mm
then right after Fractional CO2 beam size 120 um peak power 30 watt pulse energy 30 mJ
I'm a little bit discouraging as I don't see a lot improvements - even with the little improvements there I was wondering if that's from INFINI or Laser.
I consulted a few more doctors, most of them still say INFINI would be the best for my scar types and I should continue that route.
1. suggested subcision right before INFINI x 2 session (but i don't think I have much tethered scarring so not quite sure about that)
2. suggested INFINI x2 session + BellaFill (my concern is the filler would make my face puffy? or unnecessary increased volume, bumps, etc??)
3. suggested INFINI + PRP (also I am questionable about how much PRP can do)
some other suggestions like micro-needling (def less powerful than INFINI so I passed on that) and erbium laser (seems older tech than INFINI).
Really want to get some advice from experts (esp. INFINI) -
- should I continue?
- anything (parameter) setting were wrong in my previous 2 treatments?
- do I need filler as the final step any side effect/impact?

Goden's provider

Jenesis Lipoplasty & Laser - San Jose

Replies (49)

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mkayyy
January 10, 2017
why is your doctor only using level 3? dr davin Lim uses level 20.. you should ask him or look him up on youtube. his results are amazing!
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mkayyy
January 10, 2017
i think that he would recommend tca cross for your boxcar scars and then infini at a higher level. maybe a little filler but its hard to tell with the lighting of your pics
Goden
January 10, 2017
does INFINI have level 20? I think there's only level 1,2,3 as far as I know
Goden
January 10, 2017
I'm a fan of Dr Davin Lim - but he's in AU ...
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KRae76
January 11, 2017
Don't get discouraged. There is new setting protocol for infini acne scar treatment. Level 3 is best. I would look into TCA CROSS first.... then go from there. You are on the right path!
Goden
January 11, 2017
Thanks I saw Dr Weiner's comment on your post. My current doctor doesn't recommend TCA CROSS , is that an obsolete way compared to INFINI?
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mkayyy
January 11, 2017
https://youtube.com/watch?list=LLH_hgDmCSYwMqAOUV-jDlTw&v=pgDg2anEmyM Watch from 9mins as it has the settings that dr Lim uses. I've given these settings to my derm to use in myself
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mkayyy
January 11, 2017
Hopefully it works well I'll update you on Tuesday.
https://youtu.be/bCSptjnwIiw
This is a good video about TCA cross from Dr Lim with amazing results alone. Maybe find another derm who will listen to what you want?
https://youtu.be/sQUM3Xxzm3Q This is also I good video to watch from 15mins. Cheers
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Dr. Steven Weiner
January 11, 2017
Dr. Lim's settings in his videos are outdated. We have done research and found that settings too high lead are counterproductive and lead to smaller coagulation zones. The optimal settings use lower treatment levels and longer pulse durations. On US devices, there is now an interface that breaks down the energies to "Low, Medium, and High" and accounts for the new longer pulse durations. Deeper needle depths can be treated at higher levels than more superficial treatments. The low setting is still very powerful. Your deeper settings were comparable to medium. Please remember that the higher the settings, the more prolonged redness and swelling is possible, the risk of healing issues (if the treatment isn't done exactly right), and pigmentation issues. The most superficial pulses in asian skin should never be above low. Staying 1.5 or deeper is needed as well. I would continue with Infini. I don't think filling those scars is possible (they look mostly like boxcar and icepick). PRP might aid the healing but can't be sure if it improves overall outcomes. Dr. Lim uses PRP on many patients. After my presentation in Australia this summer, he has converted all his laser treatments to Infini for acne scars. I don't see any other technologies that match the Infini results for acne scars. TCA cross will possibly help, subcision will not help much.
Goden
January 11, 2017
Thank you Dr. Weiner for the input!!
CTC
January 14, 2017
Thank you, Dr. Weiner for your time and generosity about this topic. I'm Filipino with same skin tone and have dealt with pigmentation and scars all my life. Can you recommend a trusted doctor here in Chicago for me?? It sounds like TCA cross helps asians like myself?? Thanks again!
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Dr. Steven Weiner
January 14, 2017
Dr Landon Pryor
CTC
January 16, 2017
Thank you, Dr. Weiner.
breathetian
February 14, 2017
Can you recommend a doctor in Australia
mmdan2016
February 15, 2017
Hi Dr. Weiner, thank you for giving out these useful information. I am an asian patient struggling with numerous raised bumps (potentially acne scars or sebaceous hyperplasia) and indented acne scars on my nose. Any doctors you would recommend in the Los Angles area? Thanks very much!
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Dr. Steven Weiner
February 15, 2017
I know that Annie Chiu, MD, has the Infini in LA.
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Dr. Steven Weiner
February 16, 2017
Dr Davin Lim
malia02
February 17, 2017
Can you recommend a doctor with Infini in Europe?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
February 17, 2017
The only Doctor I know is Matteo Clementoni, in Italy
Phalae
March 31, 2017
Hello Dr. Weiner, from Dr. Emer's responses to Q/A postings, I can tell that he is a fan of microneedling with PRP. How is this compared to Infinite RF? Are there conditions (skin type, scar type) that regular microneedling may be more ideal than Infinite RF? Thanks!
Phalae
March 31, 2017
I meant Infini RF
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Dr. Steven Weiner
March 31, 2017
The Infini is a much stronger/aggressive treatment. PRP can be used with the Infini. I apply a mask with PRP for those which desire it.
DayDreamzzz
May 25, 2017
Dr. Weiner, thank you for sharing these info! Could you recommend any doctors for Infini in the Seattle area?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
May 25, 2017
I don't know any in Seattle area
sherrys
May 29, 2017
I had three infini treatments last year for wrinkles and skin tightening at Dr Sudins office in McLean Virginia. A technician did it and I saw 0 results after spending $4000. Do you think the wrong settings were used?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
May 29, 2017
It is hard to say. The settings are preprogrammed now as high, medium, and low. If you are a smoker or have a medical condition in which collagen will not be as stimulated, your results will be less.
keving
August 26, 2017
I am skin type 2 with acne scars. Went to a nurse in NY who doesnt have the new interface. She asked me for settings. what are these medium and low settings for Cheeks and temples?
my understanding is medium is TL5, 400ms?
What is 'low' settting?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
August 26, 2017
It is actually proprietary, so I don't know the exact conversions. I think low is about 3/250-300ms.
keving
August 26, 2017
ok sounds good, glad we have a surgeon like you in US :)
Is that ('low') what you would use for passes 5th and 6th (i.e. 1.5 mm depth)?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
August 26, 2017
Yes.
kgupta2000
August 27, 2017
Can you please share that presentation in Australia for the benefit of acne scar sufferers and docs who are new to Infini rf?
nicky1818
September 28, 2017
Hi Dr. Weiner thanks for all the detailed info about Infini. Will the treatment work to help correct “ orange peel skin”. Also, in regards to your answer above, what types of medical conditions would result in collagen not being stimulated? Thank you again for your expertise in the subject.
Phalae
January 2, 2018
Hi mmdan2016. Did you get the Infini RF treatment from Dr. Annie Chiu?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
January 11, 2017
These levels are not currently the best after further research. Too high, and the energy doesn't travel through the tissue. Better settings are lower and longer pulse durations.
Goden
January 11, 2017
Thank you so much Dr Weiner - do you have any doctor in mind in the Bay Area California that I can check with?
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Dr. Steven Weiner
January 11, 2017
Dr Steven Swengel
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Dr. Steven Weiner
January 13, 2017
I'm referring to Lim's settings not the ones shown above
Goden
January 13, 2017
we got that. thanks again Dr. Weiner!
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KRae76
January 13, 2017
I wouldn't say obsolete. Seems to be an affordable treatment with proven results, if you ask me. I think it works on deeper ice pic scars. Not that Infini doesn't work....just TCA CROSS might do better on ice pic scars. Might be a good combination treatment after/before Infini!
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