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Hole in Forehead. Waiting to be fixed.

UPDATED FROM Inventive1331
5 months post

Not going. Lost my trust

Inventive1331
$18,215
He didn't explained why he was going to fix my forehead without removing cement. He didn't replay anything. He told me that he was going to add cement.
But it needs recontoring as you can see. It's not as rounded as it should.
So he lied since he charged me for a type 3 but he did basically a type 1 with a bit of cement. Something not allowed or not specified on the consent form. So I told him that the nose and the forehead needed revision and he didn replayed. He did not explained.

So he told me he would fix it for free only if I changed or removed these comments.
It seems that as soon I changed these for ones better he forgot.
Anyway, I lost my trust and the fear of being botched again is too much.

Imagine how awful is this experience that I am willing to save 15000 with a lot of effort and go elsewhere when he woul do for free.
A mistake of this kind. A hole that big and that poor job it's not something that should occur that easily. From all the girls that I met there 7 out of 9 were unsatisfied or botched . I kept contact and have evidence.

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Bart van de Ven, MD (in memoriam)

Bart van de Ven, MD (in memoriam)

Oral & Maxillofacial Surgeon

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May 5, 2021
Are the 7 girls having possible revisions?
May 10, 2021
May 13, 2021
May 6, 2021
July 20, 2021
So sorry for you, once a doctor botched, he will botched you again in the worst possible way. Never let a snake bite you twice. Save your money and look for a very good surgeon. All the best.
November 4, 2021
I still cannot understand why girls go to him for FFS. Seems like his ratio of good surgeries vs. bad surgeries is just too high. Sorry for you having to have gone through this. Transitioning is stressful enough. Us girls are looking for relief from gender dysphoria, not something to add to it...
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November 11, 2021
I went to Bart almost three years ago because, at that time, I didn't believe the relatively few negative reports on him were entirely credible or that they represented a statistically insignificant number of outcomes. From what I recall, the tone of those comments seemed so outrageous, I assumed the people sharing them must have had some ulterior motive or instability. I should have listened to them with more respect. The outrageousness of what was Bart does seems out of sync with his clinic, his professional demeanor and the recommendations of pleased patients, but outrageous results are real. My face is one of them. Bart's work resulted in two large holes in my forehead too, not to mention the complete erasure of my outside brow, leaving me with bowl-like eye sockets and other seemingly unbelievable outcomes. I can't believe I ended up this way since it seems so easily avoidable by a skilled surgeon, but now the mistakes cannot be reversed. The mental impact is maddening. It is hard to discuss in a way that sounds credible and does not get flagged as inappropriate. Moderating the comments of verifiable and traumatizing results protects the doctor at the expense of potential patients. So, more people go to him and the cycle continues.
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November 11, 2021
Correction: I meant "I went to Bart almost three years ago because ,at that time, I did not believe the relatively few negative reports on him were entirely credible or that they represented a statistically SIGNIFICANT number of outcomes."
November 11, 2021
I understand and can only imagine what you are going through. I am so sorry this happened to you. Our struggle is hard enough....
November 20, 2021
I wonder if some of those outrageous comments were mine. I'm sorry that you had to go through similar trauma as myself. Reading your comment makes me feel responsible that I couldn't make my point more convincingly and help steer you away from Bart and his horrible incompetence.

I should have kept from commenting on what happened to me until I could do it with a clear head and a calm voice. At the time I posted my comments I could really not think of a better way to express myself. First because everytime I thought about what happened to me, I was overwhelmed by emotion. Second because I figured even if I found the patience to write something more sober most people would not read it anyway.

There is a saying: "a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can pull on its pants". The internet is full of testimonials of patients happy with Bart's results, with pictures. It takes an awful lot of words to explain disfigurements and complications and some of them don't even clearly show in pictures. I believed it would just be pointless to try to get myself heard under such circumstances.

Again, I'm really sorry about what happened to you that looks a lot like what happened to me (like what he did to my orbital rims). I wish I could have said the right words to at least help you think again. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that we have to suffer parasites like Bart just because of who we are.
November 20, 2021
Minor imperfections are just part of the risk with FFS. So much of what I have seen or read about sometimes seems unbelievable. One would think that if an MD had a bad outcome by doing a particular procedure a certain way, that they might change what they do. This does not seem to be the case with this MD. So sorry for you outcome, you deserve better...
UPDATED FROM Inventive1331
5 months post

Not going ever.

Inventive1331
So he didn explained any more as why he was only going to add cement this time without removing any bone, which is quite weird since my forehead needs another recontoring.
Even when o was up to go , he ignored me completely.
Maybe he offered the fixing for free to convince to change my comments here, which he did.
Never in my live though a surgeon could do these lies in surgery, selling one type of forehead and then messing it up and then playing ,even playing to appease the coments

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UPDATED FROM Inventive1331
4 months post

He agreed to fix it for free. We'll see

Inventive1331
Dr Bart Van de Ven did responded almost all my emails but I wanted more explanations and solutions.
I didn't intent to harm his reputation in any way but I felt like he didn't aknolaged there was something to be repaired.
I am 60 % satisfied with the results but the uneveness borders me a lot still. He promised to fix everything so I might give him the chance to.
I hope it is all due to misscounication..and we can end up in good terms.
I look more feminine than before but it shoul be be more security measures in please so you don't end app with complications.
Here is an before and after picture. But remember that under a beam of light you can see the hole and all.

Eventually we had the Skype consultation and he aknolaged there is something to be repaired. A forehead recounting type 3 again.
I will update

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April 20, 2021
April 22, 2021
Is your story posted here? What exactly happened with you?
April 22, 2021
I had fat grafting, forehead and nose all botched. When I complained to this surgeon he was annoyed but agreed to do a revision and guess what he botched them again. He injected the fat in the same area where I had lumps from the first lipofilling, for example. I told him clearly my issue with it yet he did the exact same thing out of spite. That's why I don't recommend going to him for revision as if he messed you up the first time, he will do it again the second time. He is an odd ball and seems to botch patients if he doesn't like you. I'd really advise against going to him for initial or revision surgery of any kind. There are far better surgeons out there who produce consistent results and are very safe.
April 22, 2021
Sorry to hear this...
April 23, 2021
Yes.. we were arguing and it's possible that I cancel my fixing, not revision. He said he will fix. He sold me a type 3 forehead which is more expensive than a type 3 and he did a type 1 with some cement . So he tells me that he left some bone over my sinus and disappeared through healing.
But I didn't ask for type 3. He did agins my will , he said to save me the strange body, but I wanted the extra he body, the cement. I wanted a rounded and solid forehead.
So he did what he wanted , and the consent form says that he can turn. Style 1 into type o
3 but not the other way around
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April 23, 2021
Yes you can see it down here. Hole in my forehead. And photos ct scan
April 23, 2021
Show as how he botched you. Please
April 23, 2021
April 24, 2021
Cm you show us your results?