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Last of 3 Microneedlings with PRP , then Subcision on 9/1/16

UPDATED FROM Janey214
2 years post

10/13/2018 - Update on my journey and progress

Janey214
WORTH IT$2,550
My skin texture regressed, I am sad to say. The 2nd and final subcision that was performed 2/2/2017--a few of the scars just got retethered again and my deepest indentations showed. I should have asked my derm to put in fillers right away after the procedures or at least after some healing time. But isn't that his job to tell me this? The Radiesse filler cheek lifts I talked about in mid December of last year did not last of course. Maybe just six months? Then I just tried in-home microneedling with the Derminator at a 2.25 mm depth X 3, with stem cell serums. The last one was done on 8/25/18. I am now letting my skin heal for those three microneedlings were aggressive and like "med spa" standards.
Within this time frame of the 3 microneedlings and retethering of scars, I researched that plastic surgeons are using our very own fat now through liposuction, filtering the fat, and then injecting to the face. Normally, this is done for aging faces and sometimes alongside a face lift. However, the same techniques can be used for bad acne scarring as well. Volume fill and lift. I consulted a local PS and he said he feels that I am a good candidate as my scars are "rolling." He is going to do a multi layer approach and use micronized fat (more refined) for the scars and then structural fat (less refined) for my nasolabial lines and mid face "lift." He will subcise the scars all over to untether them and then fill in with the fat. Please note that I am 58 years old now. Bad news is--as we continue to age, we lose collagen and fat. However, with acne scarring, we lose more fat than we normally would. The scars that were once smoothened out will reappear gradually with age. Now everyone ages differently but this is what generally happens to acne scarred faces, as we get older. Now, my fat is permanent but the caveat is--we still age. But--we do not have to go get fillers every 6-9 months as the fat is somewhat permanent. You can read more about fat grafting yourself here on RS and on the internet.
My surgery is 9/13/18, so I have no pictures yet. Will update more later.

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October 13, 2018
I want to add that I will be getting the fat transfer only. No face lift yet. It makes sense.
October 13, 2018
Gosh! I also meant to say my fat transfer surgery is coming up this 11/13/2018.
February 1, 2019
How did it go?
February 8, 2019
I did not get it yet as I have a heart condition that needs to be addressed first. I will surely update if this happens.
November 7, 2018
Thank you for the updates. You are a wealth of information.
November 17, 2018
Good luck!
UPDATED FROM Janey214
1 year post

What my scars looked like before all treatments so far...

Janey214
A reader asked what my scars looked like before I started my treatments from age 23 onwards. I did not take pictures then as that time, there were no smartphones with a camera function. :) This is someone else's picture but it is similar and closest to what I had. Closer mixed scars, all over my cheeks )and temples too). The technology and equipment 35 years ago, were not what it is today.

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August 13, 2017
I would like to add as well, that back in those days, the healing times for microdermabrasion was very long. I had to have a job, to pay for the treatments. Many yearw went in between the treatments as well.
August 13, 2017
Error--Not "microdermabrasion." It was DERMABRASION.
August 14, 2017
Wow. You've had nearly every generation of lasers to battle this. I'm so happy for you.
August 13, 2017
Wow! You have really come a long way! Your skin looks amazing now.
August 14, 2017
Thank you, Aurelia. Yes, I have come a long way. But the technology has improved so much with so many options, as well. Back in those days it was collagen injections called Zyplast for fillers, dermabrasion for sanding down the skin, and then they introduced the CO2 lasers.
September 28, 2017
How do you feel about dermabrasion?
September 28, 2017
Dermabrasion was the technique used a generation ago. Back in the 80's there were no lasers, no microneedlilng, no RF, etc. It was a horrific way to improve the scars and I have skin that will hyperpigment. My whole face was wrapped in bandages and there so much swelling and oozing. No, please do not consider this route. There are so many better procedures nowadays.
August 26, 2017
Janey214, my skin story sounds a lot like yours. I had severe acne in my ears 20s and my skin was literally covered in indented crater like scars. I got dermabrasion done 20 years ago and sometime I feel like it almost created deeper hollow arms in my face...those were
the day without too many options and no internet to check reviews and compare
procedures. I recently turned 50 and I feel like indented, uneven texture and scars are becoming more visible, and I'm even more conscious of them. I'm Asian too so I'm scared to try lasers because of hyper pigmentation issues. Any advice for me as I restart my journey? I am a teacher so I would prefer to try out any procedures over my winter or summer breaks if possible. Sorry about the long comment....
August 26, 2017
I think when you restart your journey, be patient and give yourself two years for the procedures and recovery time. Be logical and realistic. If I were you, I would go with subcisions first (to get the indented scars released), resurfacing with Infini RF by Lutronic (Korean manufacturer), and then fillers for the ones that are stubbornly deep. Now, how many of each, is up to how your deep your scars are, the way they heal, and your satisfaction level. Only you and your derm/plastic surgeon can agree on these. I will stay away from Fraxels, CO2s, fractionated lasers, etc. If the derm does not have Infini RF, go find one who does or 2nd best gold standard is the eMatrix sublative by Syneron. However, this has longer recovery times up to 10 days with red, inflammed skin. Infini does not do this to me.
October 18, 2017
You look wonderful, have you tried hydroquinone for discoloration. With the right make up you should be perfect enjoy
October 19, 2017
No, my skin is not perfect but is "perfect" for what it was and I have to be grateful. My doctor told me to think it this way and to be realistic. Yes, I have tried hydroquinone. I think there is a certain status quo and the hyperpigmentation cannot be improved anymore. If they are improved, they will come back eventually. I am ok with cover up make up.
October 21, 2017
OMG! Your skin looks great!! Thank you very much for sharing your journey with us. It does give me courage and inspiration to improve my own situation. Best wishes to you! You look great!
October 21, 2017
It will never be perfect and in certain lighting .... Anyhow, I have come a long way and need to be realistic and grateful. Thank you. Basically here to show others to keep on going, things can improve and will. Again, I want my skin to be the best it can be and then go for fillers--the temporary ones first and then later, more permanent like Bellafill.
UPDATED FROM Janey214
1 year post

6 weeks post Infini RF #2, with make up on

Janey214
As I said, the picture I tried to post kept turning upside down. Now this is going sideways--I give up! LOL! This is the picture of my right cheek with make up on, covering most of the hyperpigmentation. I was told by my practitioner that the splotchiness of the pigment, created an illusion that my scars are deeper and more. I finally found a make up that does not wear off and have that cakey look, after a couple of hours. I also used a mattifying primer and not the usual silicone based ones out there. This helped tremendously. Still trying to create the best make up base, without it looking too thick. I had Infini #3 on 7/31/17. Skin has less swelling, with brown grid marks. It will all calm down around Monday and then wait another 4-6 weeks. Patience is the key.

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August 4, 2017
Oh, the picture corrected itself. I think this is upright now. :)
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August 9, 2017
Your pictures inspire me and give me hope. Thanks so much. Can't wait to see what this 3rd treatment does for you!
August 10, 2017
Janey214, thank you so much for your posts. It can be rather discouraging having acne scars. But your honest posts about your treatments have been encouraging. Thank you for taking the time to post. :) You have had wonderful improvement and I'm so happy for you! I just finished Accutane, so I will need to wait a year to have any treatments. But I am interested in seeing the same doctor you did, Dr. Mamalek. I noticed your treatments were spaced a little further apart. I was wondering if that was your personal preference to wait longer between treatments or if Dr. Mamalek has his patients wait a certain number of weeks or months before having another treatment? Thank you!
August 12, 2017
Dr. Mamelak suggested at least 3 months wait time for subcision, as it is an "invasive" surgery. The first one took 5 months till the 2nd, as I had to go for a vacation abroad. There was a lot of bruising which took 8-10 days at least to fully clear. Then the scars are swollen and not give true results. IMO, this is better than the lasers I have been through for down time. However, Dr. M is convinced that the procedures I have had in the past, made his job easier. They all do build up upon each other.
August 14, 2017
You have been so helpful, Janey214! I'm so thankful for you! And, if you don't mind me asking, what is Dr. M's suggested wait time between Infini treatments?
August 14, 2017
I "cheated" on Dr. Mamelak as he offered the sublative eMatrix by Syneron. I did the research here on RS and found that acne scars like mine do well with Lutronic's Infini RF and I went with this method. eMatrix is RF as well but for me, I was not impressed with the handpiece as it gives out the RF from the outside and then in. The Infini has microneedles that penetrate directly into the dermis, so inside first and the epidermis is somewhat "spared." He suggested four weeks between the RF treatments, but again I went to another practitioner-RN who offered the method I want. For this, I am doing 6 weeks interval.
August 15, 2017
Thank you, Janey214. :) I am most interested in subcision and Infini and was wondering...since I think we live around the same area of Texas, who did you see for Infini? Thank you!
September 3, 2017
Hi, Janey214! I just wanted to follow up on a question I had since I hadn't heard back yet! I'll copy and paste it below. Thank you kindly.

"Thank you, Janey214. :) I am most interested in subcision and Infini and was wondering...since I think we live around the same area of Texas, who did you see for Infini? Thank you!"
September 4, 2017
I private messaged you the doc's name and Infini RF was done by an RN who is not under the same derm surgeon. Both are in Austin, TX. Please check your inbox.
September 14, 2017
Amazing results I am thinking of getting microneedling can you tell me if it helps with fine lines as well? Thank you
September 14, 2017
I know it is better on fine lines than it is on acne scars. I have no lines or if I did, they are all eliminated by the procedures.
October 17, 2017
What makeup and primer do you use?
October 17, 2017
Primer: Rimmel Matte Primer. I notice it controls the oil, it is non-silicone, and blurring. Make up is Estee Lauder Double Wear (liquid) and Double Wear concealer (creamy in a tube).