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Bullhorn and Corner Lip Lift 12th April, 2019

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Bullhorn and Corner Lip Lift 12th April, 2019

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WORTH IT$6,486
I used to have a full profile (to a minor degree) due to my slightly protruding front teeth. In 2013, at the age of 38, I decided to get braces with 4 premolar extractions to pull my teeth back. All I wanted were nice teeth and a more neutral profile. At that time I had no idea that extraction orthodontics do much more than that.
After two years my teeth were straight, but due to the teeth having been retracted backwards, my lips shrunk, my philtrum lengthened and I was left with excess “face flesh”, for want of a better word, on the sides of my mouth. The skin that had been held taut, supported by my teeth and jaw bones, was now deflated and sagging due to having lost the support of dental and bone tissue. These changes took place gradually over 3-4 years, during and after the orthodontic treatment, as the redundant alveolar bones got resorbed.
I looked like I had suddenly aged two decades, and decided that I needed to do something about it. I had two courses of action - 1) to reopen the extraction spaces and get implants to replace the extracted teeth, essentially undoing the orthodontic work, and putting my mouth back to where it used to be, or 2) to reduce the excess sagging skin around the mouth to match my now smaller alveolar mass. I chose to go with the latter option as I couldn’t bear the thought of undergoing dental and orthodontic treatment again, putting my teeth under more pressure on top of what they had already endured.
To get rid of the excess skin surrounding my lips, I decided to get a bullhorn-type lip lift to remove the excess skin above my lips, and a corner lip lift to remove the excess skin on the sides of my lips. This decision took much agonising, researching, enquiring and soul searching, as I have never had any plastic surgery on my face, and this kind of extensive facial surgery was a terrifying prospect.
I came across Golden View when I was researching plastic surgeries in Seoul. The clinic is famous for lip-related surgeries, and Dr Song seemed to have extensive experience in the area. The clinic also has an active online community where patients and prospective patients can connect with one another and with the surgeon himself, to ask questions, post reviews, and so forth. The level of openness and the apparent expertise of Dr Song inspired enough confidence in myself to choose Golden View for my surgery.
The surgery took place on 12th April 2019. When I saw post-surgery photos online, I noticed that there was very little swelling immediately post-surgery, and the swelling happened in the following days, peaking around day 3. Well, immediately after my surgery I could see that I was already starting to blow up. The following day was horrendous. And today (2 days post surgery) it’s about the same as yesterday. My lips and entire mouth area are so swollen and tight, I actually cannot move my mouth. I have to spoon water into my mouth one spoonful at a time with my head tilted back in order to be able to drink. I had not imagined this level of destruction!
I flew to Korea for this surgery and am staying at an Airbnb for two weeks. I deliberately decided to stay alone for the first two weeks post-surgery because I want to keep my mouth as still as possible, and don’t want to need to talk, or be compelled to smile or laugh during social interactions. Dr Song told me that it is very important not to overuse the mouth or open it too wide for the first 3 months after surgery, as that will put pressure on the incisions and have a negative effect on scar formation. I am so scared of being left with visible scars, that I am trying very hard to open my mouth as little as possible, so I am very glad that for the next two weeks all I need to do is eat (very slowly and painstakingly), sleep, take my meds, take care of my incisions, and visit the clinic for check ups.

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April 14, 2019

I look forward to seeing your final results, keep posting. 

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April 15, 2019
Of course! Thank you.
April 14, 2019
Do the outside edges of bullhorn incisions take care of the outside corner of the lifted lips?
Thanks for posting. Want to see your progress, too. Hang in there, as I am sure it will be worth it. May I ask the cost of this exact procedure? Does it include general anesthesia and hospital recovery, or is it with local anesthesia and an in office procedure?
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April 14, 2019
No, it is not possible to lift the outside corners of the lips via a bullhorn incision because those bits go beyond the width of the nose. If you want to lift the parts of the lip that are outside the boundaries of the nose, you have to have vermillion advancement on those parts. I had that done as part of the corner lip lift (so, that included the corners of the mouth plus a little bit of the upper lip that went beyond the width of the nose). This would mean that I don’t get a teepee shape to my lips where the centre is pulled high but the sides slope down drastically). I have updated the cost of the surgery. KrW7,360,000 is equivalent to US$6,486 at today’s exchange rate. This includes local anaesthesia with twilight sedation and after care treatments (periodic laser treatment for scars), but not medication.
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May 7, 2019
Thx for the detailed review on your lip lift journey! I am loving your the flip of the corners of your mouth! It just puts a huge natural smile on your already beautiful face! How much was this entire procedure in US currency? Was it performed in a hospital? Beautiful results , great shape of your upper lip!
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2 days post

Swelling starting to go down

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The swelling seems to have reduced infinitesimally since yesterday. It is surgery +3 days today. It’s a tiny difference but encouraging, nonetheless. The surgeon has instructed me to wash the incision area with plain water and soap three times a day and cover the stitches with an antibiotic ointment (Fusidin 20mg). On top of that I am also applying DMSO and arnica gel around the incisions (not directly on the incisions), and taking arnica tablets.
I am worried that I am not drinking enough water. I usually drink around 3 litres a day (12 cups) but at the moment I can manage less than a litre because it is just so hard to get water inside me. Dripping it in spoonful by spoonful is like trying to feed an elephant with an eye dropper.

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April 15, 2019
Thank you for the detailed post. I never thought about how orthodontics could affect your entire face like that but it makes sense. It already looks fantastic and will only continue to improve. Congratulations on your beautiful results!
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April 15, 2019
Thank you. Most people are not aware of the negative effects on the face until the deed is done. Such a shame..
April 15, 2019
May I know how many mm is before and how much u take off ? Thank u bey much
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April 15, 2019
As mentioned in my comment to ‘susp’, I don’t really know. I will ask the surgeon tomorrow to get a ballpark figure though.
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April 18, 2019
I keep forgetting to ask him how many millimetres were taken off! But the distance between the nose and the middle of the Cupid’s bow was 2cm before for surgery and it is 1.1cm now.
April 15, 2019
Your results look amazing already! Beautiful!
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April 15, 2019
Thank you for saying so! I can’t really see what the final result will be like because of the swelling. I really hope it will turn out fine.
April 15, 2019
So sorry you had to endure this. I know several people who suffered due to extractions.

The lip lifts are looking very promising so early into recovery. Should turn out amazing. How many mms were taken off?
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April 15, 2019
You know what? I don’t even know. Dr Song doesn’t actually discuss the surgery in terms of millimetres - he does what he thinks is necessary to give you the result you want based on your prior discussions with him. I will ask him when I see him tomorrow, but I suppose it is more accurate to calculate the difference between the before and after states to see how much has been reduced, since what you cut off doesn’t actually equate to the final amount reduced.
April 29, 2019
Many people's faces have been damaged as a result of extractions for orthodontics. The following website addresses this issue. https://facefocused.com
In spite of this, many orthodontists are still pulling teeth!
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April 29, 2019
I know! I wish I had known before I went and got it done. It was only afterwards that I found a wealth of information on the dangers of extraction orthodontics. I wish this information was made more mainstream.
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3 days post

Upper lip dropping with a decrease in swelling

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The swelling is continuing to go down very slowly. I noticed this morning while taking photos that the philtrum is lengthening as the swelling is going down. Of course, that is to be expected but I am surprised that the philtrum has lengthened so much while there is still a lot of swelling left to dissipate. I am worried that once all the swelling disappears, the philtrum will be left too long. I wouldn’t want to go through this surgery again. It seems that the downtime required is much longer than I anticipated.
Dr Song uses a method that cuts (or hems?) the muscle. He is not in favour of skin only lip lifts, because although it is a much simpler and quicker surgery, and the recovery is much easier and faster also, it is not always stable. Many cases end up with the philtrum stretching out again because the skin by itself is not strong enough to withstand the pressure of constant lip movement and gravity. I tend to agree with him and did not want a skin only lip lift for that reason. I am not 100% sure what exactly he does to the muscle, but he says he has developed his own method of anchoring the sutures to stronger structures under the subcutaneous layer so as to prevent stretching out, and also to minimise nose distortion. His aim is to stop the columella being pulled down or the nostrils flaring as much as possible.
Based on this, there shouldn’t be too much difference between the immediate post surgery philtrum length (once the swelling is eliminated) and the final result. That’s comforting. I just really hope that once the swelling goes down I will be left with the ideal philtrum length.
My pre-surgery philtrum length (centre of the Cupid’s bow) was 20mm. When I was simulating a lip lift at home by pulling up my philtrum, I thought 5mm in the middle and 8mm on the sides would look good. But simulating a lip lift with your fingers is not really an accurate representation of the surgical result, so I didn’t really spend too much time worrying about the exact millimetre measurements.

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April 16, 2019
Already looking great!’
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April 16, 2019
Thank you!
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April 16, 2019
Thank you!
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April 18, 2019

Thanks for the update, looking great! 

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April 18, 2019
Thank you ☺️
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May 7, 2019
Ha ha, that’s exactly what I did before my LL. I would hold up my lip with q-tips to visualize what I’d look like with a shorter philtrum. I also took a magic marker and a wood ruler to mark my before/after measurement. I know this sounds a little ridiculous, but two years later.... I’m still holding that old wooden ruler under my nose measuring that philtrum!!!
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May 10, 2019
Haha, I totally know what it feels like! I have the urge now and again to measure my philtrum too, hoping that it hasn’t dropped since the last time I measured it!
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May 10, 2019
Don’t start...you won’t stop. Just kidding. Maybe!!?? Lol
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May 7, 2019
I bet you that you’d never ever would imagine that such a short simple (and not too costly ) procedure would reap such beautiful results!!
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May 10, 2019
It’s true.. and the funny thing is, until I read about lip lifts and saw before and after photos, it didn’t occur to me that I had a long philtrum!
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May 10, 2019
Omg, isn’t that the honest truth. I’ve lived with my lonnnnnng philtrum for many years, and never figured out what was “wrong “ with my face. Ahhh, it was worth every single penny that I spent on it! Hugs
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May 10, 2019
I have a wood ruler (old school) and marked off my before measurements and periodically check to see how much it dropped. It’s addicting. He he.