Lucie - show your boss or owner the ilcsi site and go to BDIH site. All of the info is here in this blog page. there are some VERY savvy readers on here. this is the first I have come across such clear/honest thinkers. Anything that has a trademark ingredient can hide ingredients under the FDA. Tak your products to a lab and have them tested for parabens and other harsh chems and it will blow your mind! Interesting though about Get Bent's comments. How would they know about a lawsuit? Sounds like an insider or rep for Eminence is on this too. Be very leary and use your common sense. Good luck and all the best!
Spice - if every consumer in North America was like you, we wouldnt have this problem to begin with of lower standards. The public in NA is really in the dark - these blogs are fantastic for guiding people in the right direction. Thank you for your info and taking the time to share what you have discovered.
Michelle the whole point I made about the 'trademark' ingredients is that you dont have to divulge all of your ingredients. That is why you see all the drugstore brands that advertise with their 'protophyalackia' complex or whatever else they come up with. When the USDA was regulating back before 1994, the cosmetic companies were able to lobby the government to allow them to 'trademark' their ingredients so they were not giving away 'company secrets'. This is history and this is FDA history. Look up the history on how it was formed in 1938. Honestly, there is alot more to it and really our standards in the US are really low. There are up to 152 ingredients that are banned by the European Union that are allowed into our skincare in the US. This is also fact. INCI European standards are much different then INCI US standards. They dont allow 'trademark' ingredients there and that is why Eminence didnt have to tell you everything because no one their would know. The owners/manufacturers would know and their lab guy. That is the cosmetic world. You learn alot when you are developing your own makeup line and it is scary how poor our standards are here. I am just sharing. I found out some other uncertainties along the way, you just go with it and keep your eyes/ears open. I dont work for ilike. My rep does and she also used to work for eminence along time ago too. I am over it. Peace and thank you.
I didnt have to read a thing on someone else's anonymous website. I contacted every company personally and worked with both Eminence and ilike products and their distributors. I also contacted Ilcsi in Hungary myself. You can too: www.ilcsi.com - hit English and cruise around a little and look at their history and their associations, etc. Better yet, go to Hungary and visit any spa (salon there) and they carry Ilcsi. Eminence lost their rights and trademarked ilcsi and some of the products so they couldnt be reintroduced into the market. It is not about who the brand carrier is, it is about the ilcsi line. . This is the caviar of Hungary; not to be mistaken or forged. There are plenty of 'K-Car' models out there of other brands and many knock offs. I believe this topic is about what is real, not about a lawsuit we have no idea of the details (unless you are an Eminence relation?) so I cannot see how this is persuant to be a point.
There is no slandering, this is simple fact that is out there. Quite a few of our neighbouring spas know this as well, so I am surprised you are learning this. We used to have to answer alot of questions for our clients when we were switching and even called Hungary. Now we just lead anyone (although no one asks much anymore) to the ilcsi site and give them some articles to read, but all they have to do is open the jar and you see the difference!
Also, you do not know my education nor my background so I would appreciate it if you would keep to the topic and not be personal. I have a passion for certain subjects and health is one of them, however when there is misinformation I am happy to be a catalyst so others will also learn and keep learning, instead of arguing. Thank you for your time and have a great time. Thank you
They are the kings of marketing. in the US you can hide up to 100 ingredients under any trademark (TM) name - ask them what is in their biocomplex - no. Ask them to list their entire ingredients and they cannot. Also that is why they arent certified becuase of the 'TM' - you cannot have this. That is only in place to hide the nipagin and PEGs that are laden in their line. Made in Hungary - ya right. Stole from Hungary maybe, but not made. Try visiting Hungary to look for Eminence and know one has heard of them. NO ONE. Find this ODD? Doesnt anyone? Yes - I forgot you already figured it out on here. I still cannot believe how many haven't. We LOVE the ilcsi line and use ilike in our spa. Our clients actually started asking us for it when we carried Pevonia and Jurlique. Why use extracts when you can use whole ingredients and then we found out about Eminence and how they copied everything. My goodness. Get some originality will ya!
Thanks everyone for keeping it real and honest. FYI. I LOVE the tomato suntan gel from ilike - it is spf 30 but according to US mandates they have to say spf 22. In the US you have to have synthetic ingredients in order to receive an spf qualification so you have fun with yours and I will stick to something tried tested and yes, true:-)
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