anne88

Not Sure So Far. Little Hard to Make Expressions. // - Oregon

hey so glad you are seeing improvements...... i think this is right what you said, i think im about 16 months in and the last few months things have improved faster..... i stil go back and forth too, sometimes i wake up and it seem better, sometimes its just as bad as it was.... it always backslides after -any- improvemeent, which is so frustrating. however overall the improvement has sped up over the last couple months. even so the left side is almost normal but the right side of my face is still a huge mess... the way the muscles on that side sit when im not moving is very abnormal, but especially when i try to make virtually any facial expression or move at all its very noticeable and very not normal..... it is sort of clamped or clenched and very hard to get it to relax.. its very uncomfortable too i use a lot of massage and warm compresses they help a littlie. it does slowly it seems to be relaxing from where it was... i can see and feel its slowly improving. slowly i feel like im in my body again. for this whole time ive felt like im in the wrong body, everything feels so weird its like my body is 'off' its felt awful. ive felt old and stiff and very sore and awkward, i dont seem to move with grace right now... i just feel like im a billion years old. my muscles and joints are still very sensitive. but, at 16 months i can leave the house without wearing a hat and -most- people dont stare. so thats a big improvement. still cant believe i paid $400 to be forced to wear a hat everywhere for 16 (or more) months and totally ruin my health..... said it before say it again i hope allergan and medicis and all their little minions in the medical industry and government and media, may they all rot comfortably in hell. right next to the heroin dealers. killing little kids. destroying lives. with the miracle of false advertising and lax government agencies. god bless america.

oh my gosh megan thats exactly why i had it.... i had heard it could help with tension headaches...... well i mean it has made my headaches sooooooooooo infinitely worse. its given me sooooo many more headaches than i ever had before, awful ones. but thats exactly why i did it too. ok that being said, my lines were actually a lot worse than yours and i want to tell anyone who has this also that they have improved... its just taken a -lot- longer than they say it will but theres a good chance if yours all wears off (i would give it 18 months honestly) and stay healthy that your muscles will recover a lot on their own. how much i dont think anyone really knows. i think massage has been the most helpful thing. did dysport help for your pain? it did not help at all for my pain, it increased my pain like by .. by an obscene amount. take care.

oh megan I forgot to mention. in 14 months I have only found two doctors who admit to knowing what causes these lines and will discuss it openly. some doctors here talk about it, but they stil dont seem to know anything real about it or how to prevent it or truly fix it, except with more botox, which doesnt seem like much of a fix and as you are finding out isnt working anyway. either way one dr was a very prominent facial plastic surgeon in beverly hills, a place where people's looks are very important and he has celebrity clients. this dr says that these lines are "obviously muscle recruitment" and what he directly calls "the telltale mark of awful plastic surgery". when the toxin is placed carelessly or too much is given the traumatized muscles try to compensate and 'recruit' undamaged muscle to create your normal expressions. this is what causes our muscles to move so abnormally now. even he could not tell me if anything would fix it. he just wanted me to come see him for like $800 or something so i could not. some drs here do claim to have heard of muscle recruitment, but as i said, none really seem to have any idea how to actually fix i or whether it is permanent, and the vast majority just deny it as these doctors are, trying to say it is 'natural aging' as if we are stupid. anyway this dr told me that it was what he called directly the "top undesirable side effect" of lousy botox treatment, which i believe is true talking to people like you and lot of others. i asked him directly why more doctors dont seem to have any idea what causes these lines, he told me directly: "those doctors are not sophisticated enough to understand what they are seeing". and i -completely- believe that. so the next time a dr tells you it is natural aging you can be sure that dr is simply not sophisticated enough to understand what they are seeing with us. additionally if they do know, they also know that there is likely no easy fix, this is why they pretend they dont know what is causing it. take care.

hi well I only used the dysport one time, and when I developed the lines (and a lot of other problems) and complained and asked for my money back, the very reputable plastic surgeon I went to dismissed me as a patient and refused to see me anymore. he said that nothing could be done to remove the lines, and that he would not see me anymore at all about anything. He is still giving dysport to people and very likely ruining their faces too. its very sad. I dont know yet what I will do, I have considered a number of things but most of the medical community seems totally clueless as to what to do when their magic poison injures someone. I hope my muscles will eventually recover from this chemical injury. I have one word of warning for you, if you have not stopped receiving the dysport totally I would consider this. many people have small symptoms with earlier treatments and then can have very severe reactions with later treatments, I am telling you (I dont know what you are in the hospital for) but if you have not gotten really sick yet, I would honestly stop all 'treatments' now becuase if it causes a reaction or goes systemic you could be very sick for a very long time. if you are not sick yet I would definitely consider stopping the treatments becuase once you are sick it really causes years of suffering and there is (obviously) no cure available. its important people hear the truth about these dangerous toxins since they will not hear this from the medical community. take care and if you find anything to help please post it! take care.

hey i am 14 months out and still have those lines on my forehead too. it doesnt just look awful and unnatural it hurts prety much al the time and feels really really sore and stiff. i also fee llike my face has been deformed. also the muscles move really abnormally and thats really a pain i cant make any normal experessions at all. its really hard to believe sometimes and i just feel this has really been one of the most awful experiences of my life. i stiill have physical and psychologiocal symptoms every day. it never goes away and i am so sick of feeling like this and looking like this. i foiund something that helps with the forehead lines they are called 'frownies' they are super cheap little paper tapes you put them on your skin at night and it holds the wrinkles flat. this is the only thing that has ever really helped, at least it allows the muscles to feel normal some of the time and the lines dont get worse when youre sleeping. they are the only thing thats helped at all and they make it look a little better in the meantime. i repeat i am so sick of looking like this and so sick of feeling like this. this stuff should just flat be taken off the market until they figure out how to use it properly and respond properly to the adverse events they cause. glad to hear at least in some ways you are feeling better. i pray for the day i never have to think about this total BS again in my life. that day cannot possibly come soon enough. please let us know if you find anyone who knows how to fix the lines, i would pretty much do just about anything to have my face be actually normal again and not chemically disfigured.