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Botox - Never Again Around Eyes

To be honest my bad experiences with botox around...

To be honest my bad experiences with botox around my eyes are so bad it's like a tv mini series and I really can't believe i've been so stupid and wasted so much money.

I type this 7 months after my latest disaster with a festoon bulging under my right eye and pools of loose skin around my eyes which bunch up when I smile and one eye noticibly bigger than the other with more scleral show giving the attractive appearance of having a glass eye, and I'll be 31 at the end of the month and feel my life as a yummy mummy well and truely over !!

This unfortunate turn of events has like so many others been combined with filler but I feel that if botox hadn't distorted my face I probably wouldn't have either 1, needed the filler or 2, the filler would have looked ok.

I have had other disasters with botox in the past, been having it since the age of 24 but they have always resolved in around 3 months so just going to review the latest.

Nov 2008 had filler across the top of my cheek bones loved the result, had it done cause I had lost a lot of weight, just finished a course of roaccutane so skin looked the best ever and felt so attractive, I photographed well and was so happy, had botox in the normal 3 areas in march 2009 and noticed in pictures that my cheeks had dropped slightly but due to the filler it still looked ok, the only concern I had was that you could kinda tell I'd had something done whereas before I looked natural.

june 2009 had botox in 3 areas again and a top up of the filler across my cheeks, woke up 7 days after with a puffy half moon crescent under my right eye and when I smiled severe horizontal lines going from inner corner of my eye across top of my cheek. I thought I had perhaps over massaged the filler in my cheek and some of it had migrated under my eye, saw my rn who had done the injections, she was kind of puzzled as she said she hadn't put filler anywhere near the area that was swelled but she put more filler around the puffiness, a bit under the other eye (we are talking tear trough area now not cheek)to try and balance it out and extra botox in my crows feet area on my right eye to try get rid of the horizontal lines.

Now at this stage I should have left well alone, I didnt look good but if you didnt look too closely my face ok, slightly assymetrical with a fullness under one eye that I didn't have under the other, but from a distance ok.

However it was my sisters wedding 2 weeks from when this happened and my sister is stunning - like model stunning and I didnt want to look like a freak in the pictures so i made the stupid mistake of having it dissolved, my under eye bags that I never had before were revealed in all their glory and the dissolver made everything dissolve unevenly so even the night before the wedding I was having more hylase pumped into my face to try and get normal. The end result - flat cheeks and different shaped black bags under my eyes.

Looking back now the bags werent too bad, it was the fact the were differnt shapes that freaked me out, one extended further around my eye than the other and I was frantically racking my brains and looking at old pictures to see if I had had these before I had the filler in my cheeks - I didn't then was thinking is it possible to radically age in 9 months ???

So I made the worst decision I have ever made in my entire life, I after doing a lot of research made an appt to see one of the top occuloplastic surgeons in the uk who is also the supposedly top person for administering filler around the eye. His pictures are used by restylane as before and after tear trough filler results. I did this not with the intention of having more filler, due to the uneveness of the bags I could tellfiller would not look good, but to discuss what the hell had happened and could surgery fix it ?

Was so looking forward to my appt, here was the man to fix all my problems, he was v expensive £180 just for the consultation but I had complete faith due to his reputation that he could get me back looking how I did before. I was wrong. In my appt I explained everything that had happened spoke about botox/filler, asked after reading on here could botox of caused it, no no no he said you have hollows under your eyes from cheek descent due to aging (im 30) and this is making the fat under your eyes more notciable. I told him I didnt have this 1 year ago, he told me it was what it was.

I should have left but was so unhappy stupidly let him put 3 yes 3 syringes of PERLANE under my eyes and 50 units of botox in my face, left looking like an alien with the swelling, domestic abuse victim with bruising and praying that things look ok in 2 weeks time. It didnt. This cost me £1800 not including the consultation fee.

As this settled down I was left with, A huge blue coloured malar bag going from the inner corner of my right eye extending in a circular fashion right the way around my eye and over the top of my cheek, a dropped down lower right eye lid, not so it turned inside out but to my eye looks a lot bigger than the other one, cheeks that when i smile moved independently of each other one pulling up sort of normally, the other moving to the side creating folds of skin on and around the malar bag. I was suicidal.

After speaking to swollen eye on here went to see her occuloplastic surgeon who told me he was amazed that the person had done this to me - he knew him and his reputation and yes something had gone very wrong but to go back and see the person who had done this as he was sure he would want to put it right. so made another appt to see the person who had done this to me 4 weeks after the injections, wanted one sooner but he is very booked up, he said yes he had given me a malar bag but thought the blue colour was still bruising rather than have the tyndell effect and one way of looking better would be to have my cheeks filled to disguise everything, using sub q at £600 a syringe. And not to worry in time everything would even up.

I cried after I left. Decided he was never touching my face again and went to see swollen eyes man. He said it would be a shame to dissolve the filler as I had spent so much money so he did my cheeks for £350, I now had all the original problems and now a really fat moon face !!!!

None of these doctors seemed to realise that it was the botox causing all these problems, i had had a huge amount of botox in already very weakenened eye muscles that had in no way recovered from the june botox and now my eye muscles had prob dopped somewhere near my nostrils !!!

To try and resolve this disaster I have bought a slendertone face for £300 around christmas, this has lifted my cheeks so they sort of lift the same but no effect on the eye muscles and spent a further £200 on getting filler dissolved under my eyes and on my cheek, this looks awful, but until the botox wears off (please god) I cant tell what is filler and what is dropped fat so am at the moment left with dents all over my cheeks and under my eyes. I am also having 3 caci plus facials a week at £50 a go, started this 3 weeks ago to try and speed up the botox wearing off.

In my personal opinion once a doctor moves into the cosmetic field their ethics change, from owing a duty of care to their patients to seeing how much money they can exploit from the vain creature in front of them. I feel like a victim but the person I blame the most is myself.

And sorry for the novel x

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Took an existing slight problem and made it worse

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I am 28, from India and look much younger from my age like a college student. I got a fine wrinkle 2yr back in an small accident due to skin scretch near outer orbit of right eye. Around 3-4 back, i noticed it and made a mistake using RetinA (0.05%) under my right eye 3nights continously, On 3rd night i felt severe burn and next day the skin under eye turned almost black, burnt and stick epiderma layer. I was in hurry, i removed the fine wrinkle as i had engagement next month... I visited the best Dr there for rapid recovery. She suggest me to have (less than 1 unit botox + 4 sessions revlight laser 2weeks apart each) Desaster started after recieving Botox under right eye, it was swollen nicely.. It could reduce 50% almost after 2months.. Due to stress on lower part near burnt area under eye skin, got one noticable wrinkle :( Now it 11 weeks completed after 4 laser done, still has lot of puffiness, skin looks like 5 to 10yrs more aged skin than my other eye sin. Burnt heeling also slowed down.. Hoping i'll be recoverd in 1-2 months and will get skin like earlier Worst part my engagement has been broken due to horrible look I hardly get any pimple on my face. I broke out completely twice in last 2months, acne has stoped, skin almost smoothen but left some marks --------------------------- Conclusion: I'll never use any Active cream/acid like retinA and Botox in my life It's now clear, i got 1 deep + 1 fine wrinkle near ingured skin under eyes
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Wow, so many of us are having surgery in September! And I'm also moving, Lorri X, at least if my apartment deal goes through. I hpe I do not chicken out. I have to admit I do not see how a "detox" program can help. It's been confirmed now by three plastic surgeons, none of whom did my injections, that my orbital septum and muscle are stretched (gee, wonder why? the derm put THREE tubes of Resty in my eyes). It's simple physics, I'm afraid, and not toxins, that are my problem.
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Please let us know how your surgery went ladies I am so hoping your outcome is positive for you! Hugs and good luck.
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Hi Hun, things not improved one little bit and had all the stress of my personal life going tits up too lol, surgery booked on 13th sept, am also selling my house I owned with my ex partner so am also looking for a new place to live. So the surgery perhaps isn't feeling as big a deal as it should, but my face looking like s**t coupled with everything else has left me walking round like I want to hit someone. To be honest I don't really believe that the detox programme will help me because the muscle under my eye has been stretched to s**t what with the stupid amounts of filler that has been put there - but lots of positive thinking from me heading your way xxx
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Hello Lorri. I'm back on here after a long while. Just catching up. How's things improving for you? It's been a year today for me since my last injection and things haven't really imrpved at all. I'm going to start Uncool's detox programme mid-august. take care x
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Oh K, what a sh*tty sequence of events. It's just incredible. Incompentent fools. How dare these medical professionals shrug us off in such a wrong way. This is so so wrong. I was so sorry to hear about your award for being "sick". Isn't there an expression "putting fire to the wound"? If it's any consolation I get comments all the time about how tired I look. It's especially awful when I see someone I haven't seen in a long time. Thay just don't get what's happened.I agree in that we should maybe start accepting our faces, as sad as that may be. I believe that so much damage has been done that the nerve-muscle connection cannot repair itself to its previous state therefore explaining the lack progress. Sorry to sound negative ladies, but i'm really feeling that that's the way it's going - for me in any case. I'll carry on with the exercises and will get that EMG facial which will apparently highlight any permanent damage. Have also found a couple of places which do facial physiotherapy for facial paralys. Will check them out once I have the results of the ENG. Ironic isn't it. I will have spent more money on trying to get my face back than I actually did on the vile botox itself. xx
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Lorri & ABBC - thanks again! Sorry it wasn't better news for you ABBC but it wasn't all bad and many thanks for asking your neurologist those questions. Things will get better for you and for all of us. Looking FORWARD!! I know how you feel about being fobbed off by doctors. I had the botox disaster in July 2009 and in August 2009 I went to see a prominent plastic surgeon (who has a subspecialty in facial paralysis) because I had just received my Tua Viso and I wanted to know if electrostimulation of the muscles could hurt the renervation process. I suspected that it might but could not find any proper answers. (I asked the RS doctors but got no reply to my question.) My appointment with the surgeon could not have gone worse. He would not even answer my questions about the Tua Viso, he refused to look at my before photos and then he said he could not see any facial paralysis at all citing "natural ageing" for my odd, asymmetrical appearance and the balloon under one eye. Ummm... my forehead was CEMENT because the botox overdose was only a few weeks old. I said that if he could see no paralysis then was he suggesting that botox does not work because clearly the purpose of botox is to cause paralysis, albeit temporarily. Let's just say he was not too keen on being challenged and then told me it was "all in my head". I replied that he can't have it both ways. Either it is "natural ageing" (and therefore he can see it) or it is "all in my head" (and therefore he can't see it), so which was it going to be? He got angry at his contradiction being pointed out to him and so he attacked me by accusing me of having body dysmorphic disorder. I was completely shocked. I know what body dysmorphic disorder is but not too much about it so I looked it up when I got home. It is a pretty rare condition and not a diagnosis that can be made on the spur of the moment by someone with no qualification in psychiatry. I have never been treated like that by a medical professional. Not ever. It would seem that the minute you mention the word "botox" everyone thinks they can treat you like an imbecile. That disastrous surgical consultation is part of the reason I ended up doing so much research about botox and writing all over this website to warn others. Anyway, I wasn't having it from this clown. I went to see a psychiatrist who has known me for 20 years since I was a teenager and who saw my face collapse from the botox disaster. (He had already given me a thorough bollocking for going near botox in the first place and he supported getting an expert's opinion about the Tua Viso before I started using it in case it did more damage.) My psychiatrist wrote the surgeon a letter stating that I do NOT have body dysmorphic disorder and that, as a surgeon, he had no qualifications whatsoever to make such a diagnosis particularly after a ten minute consultation. Moreover, if he actually believed the diagnosis then he should not have let me leave the building without assuring himself that I was receiving adequate care as is his duty as a medical professional. Despite feeling vindicated by that letter, it should NEVER have come to that. WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE REALLY LOOK LIKE. I realise at some point I have to accept that my old face is probably gone and move on, but it is really, really hard. Some of that is because I let it happen to me or, more accurately, I PAID for it to happen to me. I am confident it would be easier to accept if my face got smashed in from a car accident because then I wouldn't be blaming myself for being so stupid. And yes, after 43 weeks I still look like rubbish. Aaaaagggghhhh! K x
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Lorri, Another Bad B -- My thanks to both of you for the info from your neurologists. Only sorry it was a mixed bag of "good" and "bad" news, but at least both docs are hopeful of a complete recovery.
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Hello all. I just got back from my appointment. Not great. She didn't really say anything I didn't already know. Anyway, here goes. And sorry, I didn't ask all of your questions K. She has never seen anyone for botox cosmetic before. First she said that it was all in my head and that I need to get over it, even see a psychologist, before admitting that she could see an asymetry in my face. That made me want to head butt her. She thinks that the 5 times I had botox could be too much which could cause damage. The word permanent she avoided. She also said that recovery for patients with a paralysed face can take upto a year, even longer. At two years it's permanent. She thinks that electrostimulation is not a good idea and could actually hinder recovery. Something to do with renervation - preventing it. I'm laying off the Tua Viso from now on. Yes it is possible for the cheek to lift on it's own without surgery. Basically what she said was that practically everyone recovers 100% from muscle atrophy in general (even though she thought that I didn't have this), which is good news but wouldn't say that would happen for sure. She did suggest that I go to a physiotherapist for the face to do proper facial exercises. I am going to look into that. She also gave me a prescription to get an ENG facial (dunno the word in English). It's a test to see how well the muscles work and if they have been damaged. The guy she recommended to me also does botox injections for medical reasons. Hopefully he'll be able to shed a little more light on the whole thing. Sos not to have any more info. The only thing for which she was right was that I need to get over this and look ahead, not behind. You all, like me know that that's easier said than done. But I'm gonna give it a go because this whole thing is and has ruined my life. No more. Botox will not get the better of us. Will be in touch ladies x
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Oh hun, I really feel for you, at least my neurologist didn't dispute that my face wasn't right, although as I said I was prepared and took photos of before this mess. He also said that I was still attractive (he said it in a non pervey way) but I still wanted to knock him out. The problem i think is these PROPER dr's are so used to dealing with life threatening illness that they don't have much sympathy for us. Though they might change their tune when someone who doesn't have the support we have can't live with their face anymore. BUT as eyeschicargo we are paying for an experts advice on how to put our faces right so while we are in that appointment we are as important for that hour or whatever as someone suffering from ms etc and are entitled to good advice, not to bloody get fobbed off. My neurologist wasn't keen on electrostimulation either. we will get better WE HAVE TO cause i for one am not putting up with my face looking like this !!!!xxxx
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Lorri, I am so sorry you had that experience and think it shows a lack of professionalism that he would blame you in any way. Please do not allow yourself to be bullied and made to feel bad about caring enough about your appearance to go after what is billed as "Botox COSMETIC." This is a medical procedure, but it is done in places like day spas. It supposedly requires training to administer, and it is injected with a needle. But it is advertised as a cosmetic. We have been using "cosmetics" since Egyptian times, and I am afraid it is the medical profession, rather than us, who is responsible for permitting FDA approval and off-label use of a dangerous poison in the faces of women around the world. Again, as is always my mantra, if there is a problem with something like the dreaded b, it is the ethical and legal responsibility of the medical profession to see to it that something is done. So when I go to a doctor of any kind, be he my GP or my plastic surgeon, I'm not about to be judged by the very profession that irresponsibly let this be passed by the FDA, who allow negative effects to go underreported, and who remain silent to the FDA and to all practioners everywhere. If your doctor, whoever it may be, is skeptical of the wisdom of "botox cosmetic," then they damn well should be channeling the FDA and their colleagues and the experts, not blaming the patients. Negative effects of drugs wind up in class action lawsuits, not blame and shame in the offices of doctors that we are paying to help us -- not to judge us.
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Ok, thanks Lorri. You're so very right. And thank you for preparing us. The thing which we MUST remember is that we are ALL victims. Preserve and prevent was what we all thought I'm sure. We were just done over by LIES!!! Unfortunately we're all the guinea pigs of the future. Thanks to your advise I will be very direct and dismiss any digression from the point - RECOVERING!!!! And by the way, my face looks yuck also. Also, in France, you know when you get old when people start calling you Madame. I was always madamoiselle until all this. I only ever get Madame now. OUCH. N x
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I have been to Paris a few times, ABBC and I know the madamoiselle/madame thing. OUCH indeed. That sucks totally for you. K x
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A word of warning to you both, be prepared as we r not old to be treated with an air of incredulousness as to why you had botox in the first place. When I went i took before pictures of how I used to look because I did't want to be told, 'it's not that bad' and 'everyones face is assymetrical'. Instead I got 'what on earth were you doing getting botox in the first place you didn't need it, i cant believe a dr agreeed to inject you.' I'm afraid my reasoning to prevent and preserve did't get me very far and looking at the pics I found I couldnt do anything but agree. You might want to take a dictaphone into the appointment lol, and my face still looks beyond rubbish aarrgghhhh !!!! xxx
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ABBC - I still can't get an appointment with a neurologist before June unless there is a cancellation. Like you and Lorri, I need some professional reassurance too. Good luck at the neurologist ABBC and I look forward to hearing the outcome. Thanks for asking my questions too - I will be interested to see if the answers are any different. If it is not too much trouble, can you please ask one more question? Question six: When the lower part of the eye muscle has been so weakened by botox that it drops the cheeks and causes the facial fat to droop down the face, is it possible for the facial fat to come back up on its own or will a cheek/midface lift be required to make that happen? Please refer to these before and after photos of a cheek lift to see what I mean: http://www.realself.com/photo/135031 My facial fat placement is now like the *before* cheek lift photo. It did not look like this prior to botox but it became like this immediately after botox (only much worse than the photo). If I tip my head forward I can see the 'triangle' of fat sitting low in my face like in the before cheek lift photo. How will that ever come back up to where it should be? ABBC - if your facial fat placement is like the before cheek lift photo thanks to botox, then it might be a good idea to print out the photos and take them with you to your appointment with the neurologist to show what you mean. Once again, thank you for asking the questions. I wish you the best of luck and look forward to hearing your (good!) news after the appointment. Cheers, K x
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Hello K. I will do my very best to get all the info. It will also depend on the neurologist. I really don't think that many neurologist doctors are trainrd in botox as yet and I wouldn't be surprised if they are unable to add any further info to what you hava already discovered. Either way, I will pump her for info - for us all!!!xx
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Hi ABBC - I meant to write that I thought it might be outside the scope of a neurologist's expertise to answer question six. However, considering we don't seem to be able to get sensible answers within the "cosmetic medicine" field, it would seem worth a shot. Thanks again for your help. K x
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So I myslef also have an appointment with a neurologist this Friday. I'm sick with worry all the time over all of this. I need to have a professional opinion like you Lorri. I'm quite scared about what she'll say. K i'll also ask those questions and try to get answers. I'm going to try and calm down nw until then. I'll post the outcome. Back to my facial exercises. Take care all x
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Hello Lorri. Thank you for our info regarding the neurologist. That is great that your muscles are not paralysed and that they should continue to improve. It's also very encouraging to hear that the 6 people that this guy saw recovered after a year. It will soon be 10 months for me. Still droopy and yucky. I still hope to see improvement then. Let's try and hang in there. Take care all xxx
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I should point out that there has been a mandatory change in nomenclature regarding the various botulin toxins. In April 2009, the FDA issued a BLACK BOX WARNING about Botox and Dysport etc in response to the Public Citizen petition on the issue of “distance spread”. There were various reports that these neurotoxins caused effects in other parts of the body a long way away from the injection site with serious or fatal consequences such as respiratory failure, dysphagia and aspiration pneumonia. At the same time, the FDA issued a requirement that the different products be labelled with the new nomenclature because Botox, Dysport and Myobloc are NOT the same and they are therefore NOT interchangeable products. Botox was previously known as botulinum toxin type A, and this is how it is still referred to in most of the literature, but it is now correctly known as "onabotulinumtoxinA". Dysport is also a botulinum toxin type A and is now correctly known “abobotulinumtoxinA” to differentiate it properly from Botox. Myobloc was previously known as botulinum toxin type B but is now correctly known as “rimabotulinumtoxinB”. I think the name change was to minimise the risk of injectors thinking that these products are the same and therefore using them in the same amounts and in the same manner, which they should NOT do. All three products have limited FDA approvals and the scope of these approvals differ. That is probably a moot point given that a lot of the use is “off-label” such as crows feet injections! Further to the issue of antitoxins, if the antitoxins to any of these neurotoxins are going to have any significant effect on stopping or slowing paralysis then they must be administered EARLY - within 24 to 48 hours of the injections.
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Botox is botulinum toxin type A. There are types A-G. Botox is a neurotoxin dervied from bacterium clostridium botulinum. The antitoxin to bacterium clostridium botulinum is derived from equine (horse) plasma and is referred to as "bivalent", "trivalent" or "heptavalent" depending on whether it is the antitoxin to types A,B,C or D etc. The antitoxin can't reverse the effects of the neurotoxins derived from clostridium botulinum once paralysis has occurred but they can stop/slow the effects while it is in the active phase. The antitoxins were developed to prevent death from botulism poisoning, but there are also concerns that clostridium bacterium might be used as a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON in the form of an aerosol spray, with a view to causing irreversible respiratory failure and death. And this stuff is in my face? Just super.
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Wow, you never cease to amaze me, TBF!
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I can't remember the name, it was something long and medical sounding and I'm blonde lol, he said it was mostly used for people who have a medical conditions where they have botox in their neck and the result (not intended ) means they can't swallow, also this treatment can result in such paralysis when people can't lift their chin off their chest. To be honest you could tell that he didn't approve of botox being used for cosmetic purposes, was talking about risk v reward of using a poisonous substance in your bodyand how people are open to exploitation xxx
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Hi, Lorri x, thanks for the helpful information! What antidote did he mention regarding the botox when it is first setting in? That would be useful to know for all those who are experiencing bad results within a few days of botox. Thanks again! -K
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Hi K, yeah it is good news, shame theres no magic pill he could have prescribed me to make all better right away, although he did talk about an antidote you can take to stop the botox effect while its setting in - doesnt reverse damage thats already done but stops it getting worse. I'm at 32 and a half weeks and my eye looks like yours did in your first pic still so if he thinks mine will get better yours DEFINATLY will so stay strong and squint alot lol - Thats what I'm doing anyway xxx
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