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Updated 19 Apr 2010

Posted 16 Apr 2010

To be honest my bad experiences with botox around my eyes are so bad it's like a tv mini series and I really can't believe i've been so stupid and wasted so much money.

I type this 7 months after my latest disaster with a festoon bulging under my right eye and pools of loose skin around my eyes which bunch up when I smile and one eye noticibly bigger than the other with more scleral show giving the attractive appearance of having a glass eye, and I'll be 31 at the end of the month and feel my life as a yummy mummy well and truely over !!

This unfortunate turn of events has like so many others been combined with filler but I feel that if botox hadn't distorted my face I probably wouldn't have either 1, needed the filler or 2, the filler would have looked ok.

I have had other disasters with botox in the past, been having it since the age of 24 but they have always resolved in around 3 months so just going to review the latest.

Nov 2008 had filler across the top of my cheek bones loved the result, had it done cause I had lost a lot of weight, just finished a course of roaccutane so skin looked the best ever and felt so attractive, I photographed well and was so happy, had botox in the normal 3 areas in march 2009 and noticed in pictures that my cheeks had dropped slightly but due to the filler it still looked ok, the only concern I had was that you could kinda tell I'd had something done whereas before I looked natural.

june 2009 had botox in 3 areas again and a top up of the filler across my cheeks, woke up 7 days after with a puffy half moon crescent under my right eye and when I smiled severe horizontal lines going from inner corner of my eye across top of my cheek. I thought I had perhaps over massaged the filler in my cheek and some of it had migrated under my eye, saw my rn who had done the injections, she was kind of puzzled as she said she hadn't put filler anywhere near the area that was swelled but she put more filler around the puffiness, a bit under the other eye (we are talking tear trough area now not cheek)to try and balance it out and extra botox in my crows feet area on my right eye to try get rid of the horizontal lines.

Now at this stage I should have left well alone, I didnt look good but if you didnt look too closely my face ok, slightly assymetrical with a fullness under one eye that I didn't have under the other, but from a distance ok.

However it was my sisters wedding 2 weeks from when this happened and my sister is stunning - like model stunning and I didnt want to look like a freak in the pictures so i made the stupid mistake of having it dissolved, my under eye bags that I never had before were revealed in all their glory and the dissolver made everything dissolve unevenly so even the night before the wedding I was having more hylase pumped into my face to try and get normal. The end result - flat cheeks and different shaped black bags under my eyes.

Looking back now the bags werent too bad, it was the fact the were differnt shapes that freaked me out, one extended further around my eye than the other and I was frantically racking my brains and looking at old pictures to see if I had had these before I had the filler in my cheeks - I didn't then was thinking is it possible to radically age in 9 months ???

So I made the worst decision I have ever made in my entire life, I after doing a lot of research made an appt to see one of the top occuloplastic surgeons in the uk who is also the supposedly top person for administering filler around the eye. His pictures are used by restylane as before and after tear trough filler results. I did this not with the intention of having more filler, due to the uneveness of the bags I could tellfiller would not look good, but to discuss what the hell had happened and could surgery fix it ?

Was so looking forward to my appt, here was the man to fix all my problems, he was v expensive £180 just for the consultation but I had complete faith due to his reputation that he could get me back looking how I did before. I was wrong. In my appt I explained everything that had happened spoke about botox/filler, asked after reading on here could botox of caused it, no no no he said you have hollows under your eyes from cheek descent due to aging (im 30) and this is making the fat under your eyes more notciable. I told him I didnt have this 1 year ago, he told me it was what it was.

I should have left but was so unhappy stupidly let him put 3 yes 3 syringes of PERLANE under my eyes and 50 units of botox in my face, left looking like an alien with the swelling, domestic abuse victim with bruising and praying that things look ok in 2 weeks time. It didnt. This cost me £1800 not including the consultation fee.

As this settled down I was left with, A huge blue coloured malar bag going from the inner corner of my right eye extending in a circular fashion right the way around my eye and over the top of my cheek, a dropped down lower right eye lid, not so it turned inside out but to my eye looks a lot bigger than the other one, cheeks that when i smile moved independently of each other one pulling up sort of normally, the other moving to the side creating folds of skin on and around the malar bag. I was suicidal.

After speaking to swollen eye on here went to see her occuloplastic surgeon who told me he was amazed that the person had done this to me - he knew him and his reputation and yes something had gone very wrong but to go back and see the person who had done this as he was sure he would want to put it right. so made another appt to see the person who had done this to me 4 weeks after the injections, wanted one sooner but he is very booked up, he said yes he had given me a malar bag but thought the blue colour was still bruising rather than have the tyndell effect and one way of looking better would be to have my cheeks filled to disguise everything, using sub q at £600 a syringe. And not to worry in time everything would even up.

I cried after I left. Decided he was never touching my face again and went to see swollen eyes man. He said it would be a shame to dissolve the filler as I had spent so much money so he did my cheeks for £350, I now had all the original problems and now a really fat moon face !!!!

None of these doctors seemed to realise that it was the botox causing all these problems, i had had a huge amount of botox in already very weakenened eye muscles that had in no way recovered from the june botox and now my eye muscles had prob dopped somewhere near my nostrils !!!

To try and resolve this disaster I have bought a slendertone face for £300 around christmas, this has lifted my cheeks so they sort of lift the same but no effect on the eye muscles and spent a further £200 on getting filler dissolved under my eyes and on my cheek, this looks awful, but until the botox wears off (please god) I cant tell what is filler and what is dropped fat so am at the moment left with dents all over my cheeks and under my eyes. I am also having 3 caci plus facials a week at £50 a go, started this 3 weeks ago to try and speed up the botox wearing off.

In my personal opinion once a doctor moves into the cosmetic field their ethics change, from owing a duty of care to their patients to seeing how much money they can exploit from the vain creature in front of them. I feel like a victim but the person I blame the most is myself.

And sorry for the novel x

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tried but failed 20 Apr 2010
Hi Lorri - So sorry to hear about your experience but know that you are not alone. We call it the "Jabba the Hutt" club after Chloerose's well-titled review. Let me assure you that your "novel" is entirely welcome and much appreciated. Please read MY novel at: http://www.realself.com/review/Botox-and-antibiotics or just click on my name and you can access it from there. Aside from the added complication of antibiotics in my case, your story is massively familiar to me because almost the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME. It is just horrible, isn't it? These doctors simply do not understand what botox can do and they cannot (or will not) recognise a bad botox result when they see it. So they just suggest more procedures that do nothing but make it worse. The excuse of "natural ageing" to explain away a bad botox result makes me so furious that I could scream. I was given this bullshit excuse too when I sought help after my botox disaster. I put some photos up on Real Self but, as you can appreciate, it needs motion to really show it up properly especially the folds/bunching of skin around the eyes and the horizontal wrinkles under the eyes and across the cheeks. This result is called CHEEK PTOSIS (cheek drop) and FESTOON FORMATION (hernitated fat pads under the eyes) and it is NOT UNCOMMON, although very much denied by the injectors and doctors. I have listed all the things that happened to my face from botox in my review. Before I started all this rubbish with filler and botox, I was 36 and I looked 28. Nobody believed I was over 30. Nobody. I am now 37 and I look ten years older all thanks to botox and the utter ineptitude of doctors. Unfortunately for us both, cheek ptosis and festoon formation are the bad aesthetic results of botox that take the longest to wear off. I am at Week 40 and I am still panicking that I won't ever get my face back. I miss my huge and happy smile so much that I am crying as I am writing this. I can't smile or laugh properly anymore because of the hideous appearance it causes around my eyes and the huge dents it causes next to my nose and in my cheeks. This has been the worst experience of my life as I am sure you can understand. My regret is so huge and so overwhelming sometimes that I can hardly stand it. I had my restylane/hyaluronidase disaster in June 2009 and I had my botox disaster on 10 July 2009. I have read the repeated assurances from the doctors that neither of these products can cause permanent damage but after more than 40 weeks I am really starting to wonder if this is true. Exactly how many weeks is it since you last had botox? Please hang in there! Me, Eyeschicago, Meltyface, Happywithme, AnotherBadBotoxCase, Uncool, Frightened etc etc etc have all had similar things happen. A strong commonality is the misdiagnosis of a bad botox result - these doctors need to educate themselves. You can read our posts all over RealSelf. After 40 weeks, I too am finding that there is some movement again in my cheeks and they look less flat than they used to, but the area under my eyes is taking the longest to resolve. I still have puffiness and loose, crepey skin that was not there before. Please keep posting and let us know how you are doing. I have kept writing for all these months because people need to know how long botox really lasts and also whether any damage is actually permanent. I cannot answer the second question yet because I live in hope that it will go away one day. I hope you keep writing also and I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers, K
tried but failed 20 Apr 2010
After six months of waiting and hoping, I too was genuinely suicidal at Christmas and New Year. I got through it because of the lovely people on RealSelf. Thanks so much to all of them. Lorri, I agree with you that doctors, regardless of their field of practice, need a not-so-gentle reminder that the primary tenet of their profession is: FIRST, DO NO HARM.
eyeschicago 20 Apr 2010
Dear Lorri, Wow, do I feel your pain as I have had a botox/filler/hyaluronidase/more filler disaster with resulting festooning. It is a terrible and unfortunately a familiar problem, brought on largely by the original doctor's unwillingness to admit a mistake and the patient's lack of understanding of what is really going on (as you said, it's hard to distinguish between filler and botox-induced herniation of fat). I'm so sorry this happened to you. I am horrified to read your post and how you were treated and what it has cost in terms of time, money, and pain. And this sentence is especially shocking: "... he said yes he had given me a malar bag but thought the blue colour was still bruising rather than have the tyndell effect and one way of looking better would be to have my cheeks filled to disguise everything, using sub q at £600 a syringe" ... He wants to fix his mistake by charging you an enormous fee. My derm did the same thing but did not admit his mistake until AFTER he "fixed" his bad botox job with filler. I am still waiting for the refund he promised me (he has failed to send me the form to release him from all liability). How these docs can sleep at night is beyond me. I am glad at least that your cheeks have improved with the exercises ...
Lorri x 20 Apr 2010
Thank you so much both of you for your kind supportive words, I have tracked both your stories for a long while, especially yours K as my hylauronidase saga happened around the same time, and like you I horrific swelling that happened 2 days after my sisters wedding, actually went to a&e after my face blew up like a hair dye victim, never felt such an idiot in all my life explaining to drs what had happened especially when they didnt even know what hylauronidase is, when my face looked good I had no shame in telling people if the conversation came up about my cosmetic treatments but now to be honest I am just ashamed to tell people why I look so different from what I used to. Not wishing to take anything away from people who have had bad outcomes on body surgeries but when it is your face there is no covering up, it's there on display and maybe i'm just extra vain but it breaks my heart when I'm out with my friends who all look hot and theres me who is squinting her eyes for all shes worth trying to hide the bag under her eye and trying not to do any dramatic facial movements so I dont look like a freak lol. I would pay any money to get back looking how I used to and K you are my yardstick as to how long it will take to get better so I am praying it happens soon. I'm a very impatient(though i prefer to call it proactive) person and refuse to accept this how I will look now, have booked an appt with naresh joshi who just does surgery - no botox or fillers who is supposed to be the occuloplastic surgeon in the uk in may to discuss options and will be going to see Dr Jonathan Hoenig in LA who is also supposed to very good in sept, which will be a whole yeat of waiting for this poison to wear off. I am on week 31 of this disaster xx
tried but failed 22 Apr 2010
Raman Malhotra? Just a guess.
AnotherBadBotoxCase 23 Apr 2010
The botox gone wrong group just seems to be growing. It makes me sad. I too look that much older than my age now. I'm 34 and people have asked if I was 40. Have also cried in those moments. Before botox I looked my age or younger, certainly NOT older. I have lost all self confidence, left my boyfriend by fear of him leaving me when gradually seeing my face get worse (He looks like such a fresh child). Mistake, crazy idea and I still don't know why I did that. I simply feel that much worse and am that much more obsessed about my face. Now he won't have be back. I'm studying whilst working at the same time. I've began drinking and my work/studies are slowly falling through because of it. I can honestly say that this entire experience has made me the depressed i've ever been in my entire life. Sorry guys you don't need to hear all this. I just can't deal with it all right now. Am cracking up. I can't believe we were lied to over and over again and I can't believe that we only have each other to keep us going. No Botox annonymous groups in the states yet? Just to let u know that how shitty any of you feel, I'm here feeling that shitty poo poo beyond caca feeling also xxx
eyeschicago 24 Apr 2010
Hi, another bad b, I am so sorry to hear you are struggling with alcohol on top of everything else. But I am writing to try to give you some encouragement. PLEASE stay strong ... believe me I know how hard it is to keep on top of studies and working as I went back to school around your age right after a terrible divorce ... and moved to a different part of the country to do it, where I knew no one. For me it was hard enough and I felt terribly isolated, and I can imagine you might feel isolated too because you are so busy -- and the face thing is making the isolation worse for you by lowering your self esteem. Please have faith. You ARE going to get better, probably once you resign yourself to looking like this forever (life just tends to work that way!). The fact that it did not work out with that guy is probably in the end for the best, although I'm sorry it happened at this time and it's so easy for me to say that, I know (I too have a tendency to push men away when I feel insecure) ... just want you to hang in there and have hope, because in the end the better bet is that this will disappear. You want your good life to be there when your good look comes back! Sounds as though you have a lot going for you if you are able to work and study at the same time. Take care and let me know if you want to chat by private email.
AnotherBadBotoxCase 23 Apr 2010
What's more we have all been to "Top Injectors" Yeah right!! They just tend to administer a lot of it, making them the best shooters. Easy money. The Botox for the injector is Kinda like colds for GPs and divorces for lawyers (no offence hear K). Ways of bringing in easy and large sums of money. Could that GP really care about a pathtic runny nose I had a couple of weeks back. Of course not. I simply couldn't work because of the nature of my job and needed to be signed off. Ok course, no problems.He happily pocketed the 23euros in 5minutes. Amicable divorces are quite straighforward in france but I am more than certain that laywers exploit them as they're money makers. I think it's like 2000euros just to go to court and do necessary peperwork. OK, fair enough, We all make our money somewhere, exploiting poor humain beings in one way or another. But what we ger out of it in the end is Freedom - a real end result. A medical cert which will protect you from work for a couple of days. INJECTORS on the other hand are giving far too much of something they are NOT fully trained to do. I sincerely believe that they aim to play naive for aslap until something really public comes forth. I really don't feel that they're totally ignorant, they just don't want to lose the money they pump into our faces was trained to the lastest generation in his medical training. This has come later and is simply another former of earning money quickly with little or no regard for the sufferring patient. Do they have no idea that destoying a females face destoys her soul also. I am NOT the person I used to be. And I have no desire to start findig her anytime soon.
Lorri x 23 Apr 2010
Oh you really don't have to apologise for anything you write, if you cant vent it to people who are going through it then who can you do it to. I too struggle to cope with the sight of a face that has been distorted through the hands of someone else, and I'm not the person who I used to be, whenever I'm not at work I'm in bed, ignoring calls from friends who I can't face talking to cause I would have to pretend to be the happy old me and to be honest I really don't have the energy. I hate myself for my vanity and feel like I'm the worst mother in the world cause this hasn't just affected me it's affected my whole family x
tried but failed 24 Apr 2010
OH I HEAR YOU YOU ALL!!!! I am not a divorce lawyer, so absolutely no offence taken, ABBC. There are unscrupulous people in every profession and I think what you are saying is that the botox providers are highly geared towards sales and dollars, rather than the ethical practice of medicine. I agree with you. These "cosmetic medicine" doctors seem to have forgotten they are doctors. I remind them again of their undertaking to help us not hurt us. I share all of your outrage and disbelief about being fooled by the false and misleading marketing and promotion of "safe" and "effective" (read SARCASM for "") products like botox by greedy and unethical providers. I also agree that these doctors are not so ignorant as they pretend to be about the potential diabolical outcomes of botox and dysport. They simply couldn't be. The evidence is on all of our faces. And, as Eyeschicago correctly points out, there are a growing number of us. WE CAN ALL SEE IT, SO DOCTORS SIMPLY COULD NOT BE THAT STUPID AND IGNORANT - THEY EITHER MUST ALREADY KNOW OR THEY SHOULD KNOW. AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEN THEY SHOULD *NOT* BE USING THE PRODUCTS. Both botox and dysport have the potential to make people look dreadful, especially given the cumulative effects over time. They need to tell us these risks and let us give consent fully informed if we are going to say yes. This is the real basis of my anger, because I absolutely know that I would have said NO and would not be in this hideous predicament now if I had been told even half of the real risks. I AM NOT THE SAME PERSON EITHER. Like Lorri, I have withdrawn from my friends and don't want to go anywhere or do anything or talk to anyone because I feel like a fraud. Like Frightened, botox turned me into a liar with my constant excuses about why I look so bad and why I refuse invitations. Like ABBC, I lost the boyfriend at the start of this mess because it is just too hard for someone else to understand it. I do not like people looking at me from a distance let alone up close. How can this work in an intimate relationship? Easy answer - it can't. So we all end up broken and isolated and some of us end up alone thanks to botox. I had to go to an important work function last night. I could not avoid it because it was for marketing purposes. The old me would have loved it but I didn't love it. I was so anxious leading up to it that I broke out in hives all over my stomach. When I got there, I was so distracted by the overhead lighting that my entire focus was trying to find a seat in dim lighting rather than greeting people. I was conscious all the time not to make any dramatic facial movements that would show up my gargoyle face and this includes *smiling* which is what you are supposed to do when you meet new people. I was so panicky that I couldn't remember people's names at first which is something I am usually great at. And the first thing I did when I walked out was to send a text to Eyeschicago saying "I got through it!" When do I get to enjoy things again and feel comfortable in my own skin? How will I manage the rest of my life if this never changes? I really don't know. SO, HOW DO WE ALL GET THROUGH IT? IT HAS TO BE TOGETHER. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. For those of us who are alone, with no significant other to help us along, we are extremely vulnerable. BUT WE ARE NOT ALONE. There is no need for any of us to apologise for venting on this website to each other. How else do we rid ourselves of the stress, anger, frustration, fear and regret? Eyeschicago makes an excellent point about accepting that this is how you look for the time being. Wise advice. I try so hard to do that and sometimes it actually works. Post-Botox, I am the farthest along at more than 41 weeks and I honestly hope to get out of this as much for myself as for all of you who need to hear from someone else that it does eventually go away. Botox wears off at different rates for different people and is dependant on dosage, so I hope that one or all of you can get rid of it first so you can tell me not to lose hope! In the meantime while we are playing this dreadful waiting game, if you are sad or angry or frightened, then say so. We will commiserate with you. If you experience improvement, then say so. We will celebrate with you. For all the other pressures we have in life - work, study, relationships, family etc etc etc - a botox disaster can be the tipping point between coping and not coping. I fully understand that too. I reiterate Eyeschicago in saying: STAY STRONG and HANG IN THERE. K xxx
Lorri x 26 Apr 2010
Have been in contact with some one who has had permanent muscle dystrophy and denervation ( if that is right spelling) from dysport which is similar I believe to botox. She has said that before she had surgery she had to see a neurologist who can tell you if the damage is permanent or not through tests that they do, making that appointment today and will keep you all updated xxx
eyeschicago 26 Apr 2010
Good luck at your appointment, Lorri x. I hope you get some answers; we will all benefit from the information. Best to you. -Kate
tried but failed 26 Apr 2010
I am taking Lorri's advice and going to the neurologist too. After almost 42 weeks, I want to know where I stand regarding denervation. This might also help regarding the decision about when to have surgery to correct botox damage. Thanks for the information Lorri. As frightening as it was to hear about someone having permanent damage, we all need to know the truth. Good luck at your appointment and please let us know the outcome. K
Lorri x 27 Apr 2010
Appointment on fri eeeekkk!!! Part of me just wants to know if I have permanent damage so I can just get on with surgery to correct it and part of me just hopes it will get better with time. If anyone has any questions they specifically want answered let me know, the appointments costing me a fortune so may as well get my money's worth xxx
tried but failed 29 Apr 2010
Lorri - Thanks so much for your generous offer. I do have a couple of questions for your neurologist if it not too much trouble for you to ask. Australia being Australia, it looks like it will be several weeks before I can get an appointment with a neurologist here!! I understand how botox works - it blocks the transmission of acetylcholine from the nerve to the muscle - and I understand how it reverses - nerves reconnect to the muscle. Question 1: It used to be thought that the previously denervated parent nerves grew new sprouts and these sprouts reconnected with the muscle. However, new research suggests that these nerve sprouts retract and a new parent nerve comes through thereby ultimately restoring the original nerve-muscle junction. What does your neurologist think? And if s/he agrees with the new research, could this explain why sensations start to return well before the power of the muscle returns? Question 2. Does your neurologist have an opinion as to when facial muscles actually atrophy from disuse? The opinions on the Bell's Palsy sites differ markedly on this issue. Question 3. Does your neurologist have an opinion on the electrostimulation of the muscles (Tua Viso, SlenderTone etc) while the botox is wearing off? Is there any evidence it is beneficial in preventing atrophy and rebuilding muscle mass? And, more importantly, is there any evidence electrostimulation is *detrimental* particularly in perhaps damaging the new nerve sprouts before the parent nerve has a chance to come through? I was very concerned about this at around the 4 month mark when I could feel the (feeble) nerve sensations start to return so I knew it was the sprouts. I was terrified the Tua Viso would damage the new sprouts or somehow prevent the parent nerve from coming through properly. I would love to know what your neurologist thinks. Question 4. Is the loose skin caused only by lack of tension from loss of muscle mass or is the loose skin also caused by a lack of nerve connection because the skin is somehow prevented from "bonding" with the underlying tissue? Question 5. The big one - has the neurologist ever seen botox cause permanent damage of the kind we are suffering (not upper eyelid ptosis)? Does your neurologist believe that botox can cause permanent damage? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GENEROUS OFFER!! I wish you the best of luck at your appointment and I very much look forward to hearing from you. Cheers, K
Lorri x 30 Apr 2010
Just got back from my appt, it sort of went well but didn't, the goods news is none of my muscles are paralysed but the muscles around my eyes are weak, more so on my right side, he made me do all different facial expressions while pushing his fingers and thumbs all over my face. He said that even after over 7 months the nerves are still resprouting so my face should improve and to wait at least 12 months and go back to him to have more invasive tests before surgical intervention. K I wish you were in there with me, I asked all your questions but he was speaking so fast and using words I did't know I couldnt write it all down, so I will try to remember the answers. 1. He is still old school re nerves resprouting from the original parent nerve. 2. As regards muscle dystrophy he said everyone was differnt and couldnt really give a specific time frame. 3. He was a bit dissmisive regarding electro stimulation, he said that it worked by bypassing the nerve and so did't really affect the nerve sprouts/ reconnection he said it may help tp prevent muscle dystrophy by the muscles being paralysed and the nerves not moving them but once you get even the slightest movement back then facial exercises are much more benefical as they are stimulating the nerves to move the muscle. 4. Regarding the reason for loose skin he drew a pic of the the skin with fat and the muscle underneath it and said the loose skin from the muscle being paralysed is from 2 things , one the muscle when it moves normal bulks out the skin , and two when the muscle doesnt move and begins to atrophy it is the same priciple as having loose skin from loosing weight, ie the fat thins but instead it is the muscle thinning. 5. He has seen 6 people with cosmetic botox issues in the last 3 years and all have recovered within 12 months.
chipmunk face 16 May 2010
Hi Lorri, I was just reading your post about seeing a neurologist to find out if there is any permanent facial nerve damage. My husband and friends have recently advised me to go and see one, as they are worried about my obvious deformity on one side of my face from the botox disaster I had 34 weeks ago. When I smile now there is a huge ridge of muscle running from the outside of my eye to my jaw bone, and the rest of my face from the mid cheek to the ear is indented. I am now fearing that there may be permanent nerve damage, and I think I need to go and see a specialist to work out what the damage is, so I was wondering if you are in the UK if you could give me the name of the specialist you saw? Many, many thanks Chipmunk face x
tried but failed 30 Apr 2010
Lorri - I cannot thank you enough. And it might seem like a long wait, but you now have hope that this is absolutely NOT your final result. BRILLIANT NEWS. I now believe this is not my final result either and I am grateful to you beyond words for the relief that has given me. You are about ten weeks behind me and we are going to make it. ALL OF US! Twelve months might seem like a long time to wait for surgery (if it is necessary) but, in the grand scheme of things, we do not have that much longer to go. And it is better to have any surgery SAFELY knowing that the botox effect has completely worn off. Thanks again for asking those questions - the answers were about what I expected to hear. When I finally get an appointment with a neurologist here (bloody Australia!) I will ask the same questions and see if the answers are also the same. We all just have to hang in there and not panic. I am still not sure whether to leave the discolouration and black lines under my eyes alone until after any surgery or try to do something about it now. Dilemma. You have the same issue. Are you thinking it is best to wait until after any surgery? Probably a question best left for another day? Let's celebrate your news!! You have muscle weakness and not permanent denervation, Lorri. This is GREAT NEWS. K x
Lorri x 30 Apr 2010
Hi K, yeah it is good news, shame theres no magic pill he could have prescribed me to make all better right away, although he did talk about an antidote you can take to stop the botox effect while its setting in - doesnt reverse damage thats already done but stops it getting worse. I'm at 32 and a half weeks and my eye looks like yours did in your first pic still so if he thinks mine will get better yours DEFINATLY will so stay strong and squint alot lol - Thats what I'm doing anyway xxx
eyeschicago 30 Apr 2010
Hi, Lorri x, thanks for the helpful information! What antidote did he mention regarding the botox when it is first setting in? That would be useful to know for all those who are experiencing bad results within a few days of botox. Thanks again! -K
Lorri x 30 Apr 2010
I can't remember the name, it was something long and medical sounding and I'm blonde lol, he said it was mostly used for people who have a medical conditions where they have botox in their neck and the result (not intended ) means they can't swallow, also this treatment can result in such paralysis when people can't lift their chin off their chest. To be honest you could tell that he didn't approve of botox being used for cosmetic purposes, was talking about risk v reward of using a poisonous substance in your bodyand how people are open to exploitation xxx
tried but failed 30 Apr 2010
Botox is botulinum toxin type A. There are types A-G. Botox is a neurotoxin dervied from bacterium clostridium botulinum. The antitoxin to bacterium clostridium botulinum is derived from equine (horse) plasma and is referred to as "bivalent", "trivalent" or "heptavalent" depending on whether it is the antitoxin to types A,B,C or D etc. The antitoxin can't reverse the effects of the neurotoxins derived from clostridium botulinum once paralysis has occurred but they can stop/slow the effects while it is in the active phase. The antitoxins were developed to prevent death from botulism poisoning, but there are also concerns that clostridium bacterium might be used as a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON in the form of an aerosol spray, with a view to causing irreversible respiratory failure and death. And this stuff is in my face? Just super.
eyeschicago 5 May 2010
Wow, you never cease to amaze me, TBF!
tried but failed 30 Apr 2010
I should point out that there has been a mandatory change in nomenclature regarding the various botulin toxins. In April 2009, the FDA issued a BLACK BOX WARNING about Botox and Dysport etc in response to the Public Citizen petition on the issue of “distance spread”. There were various reports that these neurotoxins caused effects in other parts of the body a long way away from the injection site with serious or fatal consequences such as respiratory failure, dysphagia and aspiration pneumonia. At the same time, the FDA issued a requirement that the different products be labelled with the new nomenclature because Botox, Dysport and Myobloc are NOT the same and they are therefore NOT interchangeable products. Botox was previously known as botulinum toxin type A, and this is how it is still referred to in most of the literature, but it is now correctly known as "onabotulinumtoxinA". Dysport is also a botulinum toxin type A and is now correctly known “abobotulinumtoxinA” to differentiate it properly from Botox. Myobloc was previously known as botulinum toxin type B but is now correctly known as “rimabotulinumtoxinB”. I think the name change was to minimise the risk of injectors thinking that these products are the same and therefore using them in the same amounts and in the same manner, which they should NOT do. All three products have limited FDA approvals and the scope of these approvals differ. That is probably a moot point given that a lot of the use is “off-label” such as crows feet injections! Further to the issue of antitoxins, if the antitoxins to any of these neurotoxins are going to have any significant effect on stopping or slowing paralysis then they must be administered EARLY - within 24 to 48 hours of the injections.
AnotherBadBotoxCase 3 May 2010
Hello Lorri. Thank you for our info regarding the neurologist. That is great that your muscles are not paralysed and that they should continue to improve. It's also very encouraging to hear that the 6 people that this guy saw recovered after a year. It will soon be 10 months for me. Still droopy and yucky. I still hope to see improvement then. Let's try and hang in there. Take care all xxx

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