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Bad Face Lift... - Englewood, CO

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Spent: $8,000 in Englewood, CO

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Updated 20 Jan 2012

Posted 20 Jan 2012

I can only say that after my rhytidectomy, my life pretty much ended. This doctor Manish Shah didn't have enough talent and didnt understand the nuances of the human face. He pullled too much tissue away from my face. The irony is I wanted my jowels removed and they ended returning 4 months after surgery.

I lost my relationship. I'm broke financially, lost a job because of depression and anxiety related to my obvious appearance concerns. I had no idea [he] didnt have enough experience. Plastic surgery needs to be regulated to protect the public. I was a victim of his lack of experience in this particular procedure and his negligence in not disclosing to me all the particulars involved... Did I pay him for that? Now I'm disabled.



Updated on 20 Jan 2012:
I can only say that after my rhytidectomy, my life pretty much ended. This doctor Manish Shah didn't have enough talent and didnt understand the nuances of the human face. He pullled too much tissue away from my face. The irony is I wanted my jowels removed and they ended returning 4 months after surgery. I lost my relationship. I'm broke financially, lost a job because of depression and anxiety related to my obvious appearance concerns. I had no idea [he] didnt have enough experience. Plastic surgery needs to be regulated to protect the public. I was a victim of his lack of experience in this particular procedure and his negligence in not disclosing to me all the particulars involved... Did I pay him for that? Now I'm disabled.

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Updated on 20 Jan 2012:
I can only say that after my rhytidectomy, my life pretty much ended. This doctor Manish Shah didn't have enough talent and didnt understand the nuances of the human face. He pullled too much tissue away from my face. The irony is I wanted my jowels removed and they ended returning 4 months after surgery. I lost my relationship. I'm broke financially, lost a job because of depression and anxiety related to my obvious appearance concerns. I had no idea [he] didnt have enough experience. Plastic surgery needs to be regulated to protect the public. I was a victim of his lack of experience in this particular procedure and his negligence in not disclosing to me all the particulars involved... Did I pay him for that? Now I'm disabled.

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Manish H. Shah, MD 23 Jan 2012
Hello GW8denver,
Unfortunately from your ID I'm uncertain as to whom you are. That being said, my concern is that you are unhappy with your results. We have a great revision surgery policy in my practice and I encourage you to make an appointment to see me to discuss your concerns. I'm uncertain as to the lack of experience you say I have since I perform several hundred facial procedures per year. But it is obvious that you are upset and I would like to address this with you to your satisfaction. Please contact Debbie at my office number listed at the top of this rating. We aim to provide all patients with good results and good value, so your dissatisfaction matters to me.
Warmest regards,
Dr. Shah
Chrystal Eckes (RealFriend) 31 Jan 2012
gw8denver, did you have a Lifestyle Lift? The reason I am asking is I know that Dr. Shah is a LSL doctor. I am so sorry that you have had this horrible experience and I do hope that you can get some kind of help. Have you sought out other Plastic Surgeons to get a 2nd opinion? Please let us know what happens. Best, Chrystal Eckes
Manish H. Shah, MD 31 Jan 2012
Hi Chrystal,
I'm am not just an LSL doctor. I have my own private practice. I was Chief of Plastic Surgery at the Level I Trauma Center of the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. I'm board-certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery. I'm fellowship trained in Facial Plastic Surgery by two of the most famous facelift surgeons on the planet. I specialize in Facial Plastic Surgery. I realize that you had a bad experience with a Lifestyle Lift and I'm sorry for your situation. Hopefully it will be remedied if it hasn't already been done so. That being said, even though I work at LSL, I do my own operation that is custom-tailored to each patient. I don't take a "one size fits all" approach to the facelift. The assumption by most lay people and non-LSL surgeons is that we practice "cookie cutter" surgery which in my experience is the farthest from the truth. If you take the time to try and find a number of complaints about the Denver LSL office you actually won't find much. That's simply because the surgeons there try hard to provide a high quality service to those who expect low cost facelift surgery. The value of what I personally provide is indisputable. Frankly we are quite successful, but only if the patients seeking LSL realize it's limitations. I'm not sure how you were counseled prior to your surgery, but my patients are given an exhaustive evaluation to make sure they understand the differences between my LSL procedure and my traditional SMASectomy facelift. My policy has always been to provide no cost revision surgery to those who desire it. All it takes is honest communication with me. That being said my revision rate is less than 2%. If gw8denver were to come to me to ask for revision surgery, he or she would have no trouble getting it. So far they haven't and in my opinion that is short-sighted. The Denver office is like a family and those who work there take the happiness of our patients seriously.
Warmest regards,
Dr. Shah
Chrystal Eckes (RealFriend) 1 Feb 2012
Dr Shaw, thank you for taking the time to reply to me. I still stand by what I have said in the past and present that I too underwent a Lifestyle Lift and had to have it redone by ANOTHER Surgeon who is not affiliated with the LSL face factory. He too (LSL doc) had his own private practice that I was unaware of and I was never offered any kind of re-do or refund in anyway by him or by LSL. In-so-far as you being a reputable surgeon, I cannot say anything bad against you or your practice, but what I can say over and over again is that any person seeking out facial rejuvenation (surgery) has to be very careful of what they choose. A Lifestyle Lift is not for everyone! I do hope that you stand by your patient and help her in anyway possible to alleviate her fears and help her overcome all the obstacles that she now faces. As far as LSL being a low cost alternative to a face lift, that is simply not the truth. The LSL address the lower 1/2 of the face and neck area and after all the add-ons, other private practice surgeons can offer the same type of lift done under local and be competitive although most do not want women to suffer through the procedure being awake. Maybe your office is different, maybe you do care more than most, I hope so. It is a shame that any person feels like they cannot go back to the surgeon and speak frankly -- but after what I went through with my LSL, I can frankly say "I know how she feels." Best, Chrystal Eckes
Manish H. Shah, MD 1 Feb 2012
Hi Chrystal,
Thanks for your reply. I do care very much for the health and happiness of my patients. All she has to do is call me and let me see what she is complaining about. At least that way, I can offer her a solution, if one is possible. With regards to my LSL being a low cost alternative to traditional facelifts, when you place full incisions and perform a submental platysmal tightening, along with performing full lower face liposuction, the price is better than competitive. Private surgeons in the community have had to become far more competitive with their pricing (myself included) because of LSL being in their backyard. But when you add on 2-4 hours of general anesthesia/IV sedation and a surgical facility fee, the cost for "comfort" climbs significantly. The LSL model was designed to take away the issue of general anesthesia/IV sedation cost and risk. The properly informed patient knows before surgery that they are just going to be relaxed and not asleep. Frankly, to get the general anesthesia/IV sedation added on would make the cost of getting a facelift too high for a large number of men and women. So, LSL becomes their affordable alternative.
Dr. Shah
Monica28 1 Feb 2012
In my experience 99% of surgeons care only about the money they can make rather than their "patients." My surgeon was nothing but caring and compassionate until he had my money. After that he couldn't give a ****. Do you think that Denver is making this up? Don't you think she would rather be out there enjoying life than sitting at home crying in despair? You doctors are on here trolling for patients, nothing more, nothing less. Shah, you can defend yourself all you want, however, I believe Denver not you.
Manish H. Shah, MD 1 Feb 2012
Hi Monica28,
Read what I've written carefully. I'm not defending myself or anyone else. I have no idea who gw8denver is and if I did I would be helping her the best I could. I don't have an idea if gw8denver is making anything up because she hasn't shown her face at my clinic. My door is open to her. As far as your comment about trolling for patients, I come on to Realself and other similar sites to help answer questions that all patients have and don't seem to get the needed answers to from their own surgeons. I answer questions from patients all over the country and around the world in some cases. These patients will never come to my office so I don't really think that qualifies as "trolling." I've trained surgical residents at various programs so teaching is what I enjoy. I think you do a disservice to medical professionals when you lump them into a "99%" group. But that is your experience, not mine, and probably not the experience of many patients.
Dr. Shah
Chrystal Eckes (RealFriend) 1 Feb 2012
Again Dr. Shaw, I have to totally disagree with you! If every LSL office disclosed the true discomfort of the procedure, the real downtime of recovery and for some women the horrible scars that never go away, I think that LSL would disappear. Also, I don't know if you operate out of your office and perform LSL's or if you do them in their office, but if you do, do you inform your patients that none of the LSL offices are JACHO (Joint Commission on the Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations) accredited? When I had my LSL I was certain to disclose every thing and no one ever took my blood pressure, no one called my physician to make sure that it was safe for me to undergo the surgery, nothing. You may run your office differently, but many of the LSL offices and surgeons need to live up to the commercials or quit telling lies to millions of americans who believe the BS. Target Marketing of specific age group is a brilliant marketing strategy & the infomercials certainly must generate a lot of income, on the other side of the coin stands the consumer who is literally without a clue as to how much this procedure can truly cost them in the end. I had much rather pay extra for anesthesia rather than smell my own stench of my skin burning from my face and suffer through horrible, painful shots, over and over. We will just have to agree to disagree! Best, Chrystal Eckes
Manish H. Shah, MD 1 Feb 2012
Hi Chrystal,
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm only saying what I do and how I work. Based on the Colorado Board of Medicine's Office Surgery standards, we do communicate with patients the exact nature of the whole surgical process. Most of my patients are awake during surgery and I answer any and all questions they have during the procedure. Our prep is pretty thorough, but that's because I designed the system at the Denver office and I vet is constantly to make sure that quality control standards have been met. I get medical clearances regularly and I correspond with primary doctor's offices as needed. Every center is different and that's the point I'm trying to make to you and now to Monica28. I'm a busy surgeon simply because I care and I communicate this routinely to my patients. Commercials of any kind are misleading, I agree. LSL is selling something so they use sales techniques, but frankly this process is carried out in private practices all over the country. You won't see a commercial but the pressure of the sell exists behind closed doors. Everything in life is "Buyer Beware."
Good luck,
Dr. Shah
Linda L. M 6 Feb 2012
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Chrystal Eckes (RealFriend) 2 Feb 2012
Dr. Shaw, you took the words right out of my mouth! BUYER BEWARE! Thank you Dr. Shaw and good luck to you also. Chrystal
liz.7 3 Feb 2012
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Manish H. Shah, MD 3 Feb 2012

Hi liz.7,
As I said on complaintsboard, I am happy to help you since you are unhappy. I've spoken to everyone in my office who answers the phone and no one can corroborate that you have called. Send me a personal email to drshah@drmanishshah.com and we'll get you into the office to see where you are. You know that I do not charge another surgeon's fee for revision surgery. I can't comp some other facility's anesthesia costs or facility fees. That is clearly stated on my revision policy that you sign at your preop. I've tried to contact you through each board you've posted on (and there have been several!!) and you have not contacted me back. I keep a detailed list of all my nasal surgery patients and can not find anyone from the time period you claim to have had surgery who is unhappy. So if you are who you say you are, you really just need to come in and talk with me about your concerns. Finally I said the same thing to gw8denver because I mean it.
Warmest regards,
Dr. Shah

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