Fraxel Destroyed my Skin...surprised? Fraxel Dual 1927 Wavelength - Boston, MA

Just another Fraxel horror story for all of you...

Just another Fraxel horror story for all of you considering it. I had Fraxel done 1.5 months ago to treat hyper-pigmentation and scarring caused by a Juvederm filler complication (vascular compromise). Basically I had a filler injection and experienced a 1 in 100,000 rare complication causing ulceration and long-term redness. I had Fraxel to treat this problem 3 months later. Now I'm left with very bad textural damage. My skin looks like an orange peel and is getting worse each day. I had the procedure at the same place I had the filler. Two devastating outcomes from one place. The hyper-pigmentation and scarring seem worse and my skin is falling apart more each day. I hesitated to get Fraxel due to the many negative things I've been reading and cancelled my first appointment, I almost didn't get it. Unfortunately, I changed my mind after being convinced by the technician and went through with it. I don't recommend this damaging technology.

The technician promised me that everything would be ok...Nope.

The damage seems to be progressing each day..

the damage seems to be progressing each day..

Just want to point out in the second picture what...

Just want to point out in the second picture what looks like acne scarring is not actually acne scarring. I never had any acne scars, that scarred texture is what was left by the laser. My skin was baby smooth before Fraxel.

Damage is getting a bit worse. New red scars...

Damage is getting a bit worse. New red scars appearing. Old scars widening.

Uploaded a new photo to show you another result of...

Uploaded a new photo to show you another result of damage. I have horizontal lines extending across my forehead. They've been there since after the procedure and they never seem to plump out. They seem to get deeper. My forehead has a strange orange peel texture with long horizontal linear dents.

Skin's still a mess and Fraxel didn't help what I...

Skin's still a mess and Fraxel didn't help what I was trying to treat at all. I feel like I was tricked into it for that I have been told that Fraxel doesn't help with vascular redness. Although my skin is even more of disaster, I'm still very stressed about pigmentation issue from the filler injury and am considering IPL (a proven treatment for this type of problem). Although, IPL damage is apparently possible too and I'm on Retin-A which I've been told doesn't react well with IPL. I just wish IPL was suggested before Fraxel, not after. Quite stressed but at least the antidepressants are helping a little bit.

Bah, skin looking quite bad today mates....

Bah, skin looking quite bad today mates. Texture-wise, very leathery, orange-peelish, dry, like a burn victim. Trying to stay positive; anyone else experience their skin looking damaged before their skin completely healed? I just want to understand whether my skin will normalize or whether it will heal into something bad, I really don't know much about other's experiences. Anyone else (maybe someone who received the 1927 nm) have this initial reaction before they completely healed months later? Please be honest,

Thank you.

Going to see a dermatologist today and share with...

Going to see a dermatologist today and share with him my cosmetic damages and hopefully get a referral for vbeam to treat my vascular compression pigmentation issues. I'm also going discuss my burned face as it is causing me serious mental distress. I had a panic attack this morning and fainted on the kitchen floor.

Just an update. Skin texture getting worse and now...

Just an update. Skin texture getting worse and now noticing hollowness under eyes. The skin under my eyes are beginning to sag.

Recently noticed that the underside of my eyes may...

Recently noticed that the underside of my eyes may not be hollow at all but just swollen. They've been very itchy and irritated almost like an allergy or something. I've had small eye infections in the past but I'm not sure what to make of it. Eyes are quite irritated for some reason. If this persists I may get it checked out.

A few more updates. My anxiety's quite better...

A few more updates. My anxiety's quite better thanks to medication and I'm feeling better knowing I'm getting IPL in a few weeks to treat the PIH associated with the filler injury I've had. I'd LOVE to have that treated once and for all. Just to clarify, the red scars I've noticed in the past may simply be an illusion caused by my strange surface texture. Sort of a leathery, dehydrated, burnt skin type of look and scars (whether they're acne scars) underneath it appear stretched and misshapen. Hard to really distinguish what's scars and what's surface texture I guess. Unless it's safe to say the texture itself is one big scar. Lol, idk. I think an eventual peel following IPL my help it as it's likely superficial. Clearly I didn't heal well. I feel it may be physiology (poor wound healing) rather than the operator. The visibility of the texture seems to be mild in indoor lighting and mainly visible up close and much more pronounced in the sun light. Anyone else out there with similar issues? I still have that minor orange peel look on my forehead but that doesn't really bother me as much as the lower face textural issues that seem to proliferate with time. Also, can anyone recommend a good non-comedogenic moisturizer besides Cetaphil or Cerave?

Eh, I think this is worth mentioning because it's...

Eh, I think this is worth mentioning because it's driving me crazy. My face is so constantly itchy and it's starting to drive me nuts. It's weird because it's the most moisturized part of my skin. It gets itchier and itchier. I'm trying to moisturize more but I don't think it makes too much of a difference. It's getting hard to sleep, I'll even wake up in the middle of the night and have the urge to itch my cheeks. I haven't changed anything in my routine. I still use the same moisturizer "Cerave Cream". Maybe I need a better moisturizer? I've been considering Aquaphor but will that clog pores? Yet again, even though Cerave is supposed to be non-comedogenic I think I'm noticing little bumps all over my cheeks now. Hard to tell though with the way my skin texture is. Is there any non-irritating anti-itch creams I can safely apply? I know calamine lotion dries skin. What about Aloe Vera?

I've been using Tretinoin cream for about 2 months...

I've been using Tretinoin cream for about 2 months with no positive change. Same orange peel texture covering whole face. Still considering TCA peels.

Time is flying by... Unfortunately nothing is...

Time is flying by... Unfortunately nothing is getting better. I've been on tretinoin for 3+months and am trying to decide whether I should continue.

Update.

Hey guys,

It's been awhile since I've updated so I guess I'll throw a quick one. Umm, nothing's better. In fact, texture has gotten considerably worse. Haven't been using Retin-A. It's very unfortunate and has been a very stressful year... Who knows maybe things will turn around one day. Let's all try to stay positive.

I'll certainly post if things ever do get better. I think it's important that people publish their experience of bad to good to give others hope. I hope more people contribute.
Thanks guys.

Happy hello!

Hey everyone, I've been on 5 mg of isotretinoin for 216 days and all my problems have been fully rectified. I made a thread at iplandlaser damage, but I got banned for some reason. Anyway, my skin is currently pigment free, scar free, and pore-free. I can't help but assume low-dose accutane pretty much did it. I seem to have better skin than all my friends now. Just an update.

Image of current skin condition

Image of current skin condition

Another pic under better lighting.

It was a long road. The damage of course got worse two years after Fraxel. I then finally decided to experiment the low-dose Isotretinoin course. My skin has changed significantly about 180 days into the course. Now on day 216. Accumulation of the compound is 2820 mg right now due to sporadic dose changes, but I keep with it consistently. I wouldn't trust that IPL and Laser Damage Support forum. It seems to be a community pushing a product. Do what feels right. If anyone out there decides to try this make sure you consider risks! So far isotretinoin has worked for FraxelVictim, Vickky, and myself. Cheers!

Keeping track on this regimen

I wrote a program to help keep track of each day and the amount taken on that day, accumulation of the compound, and retinyl conversion to compare between retinoic acid and isotretinoin. This is my current status illustrated in the provided image. I find it's best you keep track of every variable if you consider pursuing isotretinoin as a viable solution.

Update - Post Error Correction

I stated the user "FraxelVictim" also had success with Isotretinoin in a previous post. I meant the user "FraxelDamage". He's registered here on RealSelf and at that IPL and Laser Damage Support forum.

3030 mg total. Very happy so far.

Current state of my skin as I continue with my isotretinoin micro-dose experiment. Very happy!

I've ingested 3030 mg so far throughout this course. Stay tuned folks! I'm not finished yet.
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Lol yeah!
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I corresponded with her and she told me 70% but then never responded after that.
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LMS even with the damage you have currently you're still hot. When a person looks at another person they don't judge them by the texture of their skin (as long as it's not horrific acne). They first notice the skull when it comes to physical attraction. You from the partial photos you've taken I can tell have an exceptionally beautiful face and that's even with damage. You're hot woman so own it.. :)
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Awww thanks Johnny! I appreciate it and get what ur saying but the fatloss has changed how I look and my skin is so bad that I can't even wear makeup...ever. It doesn't look good and I break out even worse. Right now my skin is so weird. It broke out in a million little clogged pores about 3 weeks ago and it won't go away. They aren't pimples they are just tiny bumps...All over. I've never had this happen to me until right after the laser (which resolved in a week) and now (8 months post laser). It won't go away this time tho. Anyway, it makes my skin look a whole lot worse textually. Has anyone else dealt with this. I tgink I am going to start minocycline again and plan to start accutane in December (1 year post laser) so hopefully that will help also. It really messes with a person's self esteem and I'm afraid I can't say that I am in the least bit confident. Like so many others with laser damage i would rather hide. In sunlight it looks like i have holes covering my face so I dread being seen in sunlight. Hoping and praying accutane can help.
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Hey LMS I'm dealing with the weird bumps right now. I showed them to my dermatologist and she says they're 'acne' or rosacea type acne. I personally think they're tiny cysts as I did knick one with a razor and of course greenish goop came out. I read on realself that one member was able to get rid of the acne bumps by doing lite vi peels. Those did not improve her texture any but did lighten her hyperpigmentation and make her face more of a uniform color as well as get rid of the bumps. Another member on here improved her hyperpigmentation and texture with the Obagi Number 5 line. In fact I think it was two members and both saw improvement in the color of their skin and texture. Not sure if that's permanent improvement though as one of them went on vacation and hungout in the sun a bit too long and the hyperpigmentation returned but as soon as she got back home and started the Obagi treatment once more she was able to get what she termed a 65% improvement in her skin. Her husband even commented on how much lighter her skin looked after years of being darkened from the laser. As far as hiding I know what you mean. I'm kind of in the same boat as you. Maybe we should just start a support group and hangout at eachothers houses at night under black light only. We could be strippers but without the stripping haha. j/k
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Oh no. I hope that doesn't mean I have rosacea that was induced by the laser....it would make sense. I took antibiotics after the first weird outbreak and didn't have one again until just recently. I've been off of antibiotics for a few months now hence the new weird outbreak that won't go away. That really scares me because rosacea is a chronic condition. Great.
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To be honest I think theu use the diagnosis of "rosacea" because when treating me with Accutane they had to come up with something. I was also very red for like 3 months after the procedure and I still am somewhat dark and you combine that with those weird nodules and you get what they think is "Rosacea". I've seen a lot of posts of other people with IPL laser damage having their symptoms blamed on Rosacea. It's really the closest thing they can come up with to explain what's going on and get rid of you or treat you for false Rosacea... I just let my new derm use that diagnosis as an excuse to get Accutane prescribed to me. You could probably do the same thing if you want an easy way of getting it.
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I also tried to contact her, but no response.
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After reading all these posts, I have noticed we all have different complications after our so called procedures. I never had cysts or rosacea. I had the grid marks left on my skin and they were faint but noticeable. They really bothered me, but the worst part came about a year later. Where she turned up the laser (around my mouth area) the holes just came out really strong and then the holes connected and formed lines-look like stretch marks. My face literally dropped almost overnight. I have tried retin a and no luck. I am now on very light hormonal cream that I rub into my face. I just started that about 5 days ago and will continue for a couple of months to see how that goes. I have also ordered copper peptides. I am looking into a mini facelift and fat transfer. I am VERY careful about choosing what I do because I don 't want to regret what I do. I am a little reluctant to do a fat transfer because I have been told by a couple of doctors that fat can leave lumps and it can be difficult to remove.
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I have the same problem...these stupid cysts. And definite fatloss. I saw my new derm and he said too that the fatloss isn't substantial and he says I'm too young to mess with any of that. And he told me the bumps are just Rosacea coming out .....never had these bumps before ever . I had a light peel done and I feel like it helped with my complexion more. My doc is recommend more peels and a light needle off of the bumps. And I'm using copper peptides and retin a
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I can't believe these procedures are allowed to continue. And these people are allowed to get away with messing up peoples faces. I know there's some people here on Real Self who rave about how wonderful lasers are. I'll bet a few of the positive ones are probably bogus reviews done by spas and clinics. Some days I'm still fighting mad and want to do something about this. But from what I read the device makers and techs are protected by the government. I kick myself for falling for it but I went on the advice of the dermatologist. Their trained to know what's best right ? Yeah right $$
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Hi Kam, I wonder why I didn't get the cysts, but everything else. Did he/she recommend the copper peptides?
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When I went back she said I had rosacea too johnny. I said yeah now I probably do after you zapped me with that nasty laser. I was red as a beat. Unreal. I was in shock really. That 10 minute VBeam procedure changed my life. She turned it up on my left cheek. I said it hurts. She said that's normal and continued! I should've said take that thing off my face now. But she had 10 years of experience she told me. So she knew best right? Yeah right $$
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Hi Cjjr, Remember that many of these people won't see damage for months or even years-but they will see it. I have aged 10 years. Does anyone know anything about a vampire lift?
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Didn't recommend it but I researched it and will use it conservatively every few days or so in the pm. And it's good you didn't get the cysts. One less problem for you to worry about
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I ordered the peptides, but have not yet received them. It makes me sick to look in the mirror.
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Hi k2014. Yeah I've got some hyperpigmentation issues happening at the moment on my left cheek. And I had the VBeam done in Feb 2013. It's really making me angry and it takes everything I have some days not to go back to that office and find that woman. She avoids me like the plague. I've tried to email her for help and she never responds. I just keep thinking that she told me she had 10 years of laser experience and that now I'm the crazy one. Now the more I read the more I think what type of person would put a laser to someone's face if they know there's a chance to damage it? I know I sure couldn't. AT LEAST tell your potential victims what these devices can do. You know, the scarring, hyper/hypopigmentation, dents, wrinkles, all the nasty stuff. But they don't and that makes me crazy. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but something has to be done about all the lying and misinformation that goes on with these shady lasers and shady people. This shit should have been stopped years ago and none of us would of had tongi through this misery. These procedures destroy peoples lives. Some become suicidal. It should be treated as a crime.
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Anyone have any suggestions on clogged pores. Sucks because I'm trying to b gentle with products right now because I'm not even two mths out yet, but my pores are becoming so clogged and any products I know to help me are way too harsh.
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And I have an appt with a plastic surgeon in a couple of weeks in my area, I want him to put me on accutane, I'm not quite sure how or what to say that may convince him to put me on it. I've been taking minocyclin for a bit over a year now, acne is gone for the most part. I don't want to take it any more, it doesn't even work that great anymore anyway, maybe my body is adapting to it. Maybe if I stop it a few will pop up and that might help to convince the doc. Idk? I feel it's my only hope to help correct this. I don't even think my scar pin holes are that deep compared to some, so I feel accutane may be a good option or may have a better chance on it working on me. Any advice on what to say to him?
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I used clay volcanic ash masks and I have the most sensitive skin in the universe. Didn't bother my skin at all. If you have dry skin it might make it a little dry.
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Janey, I don't think I'll be going to see the derm in NYC you told me about. She is actually one of the inventors of a laser. I'm not crazy about her response. These lasers should not be sold if they know that they can cause adverse reactions. Please see her email to me below: Dear Kelly This is Dr Khan. I got ur message from my assistant. I'm sorry to hear about ur experience with the Pearl laser. Please know that lasers are just machines. They can be used to treat certain conditions and yet, they can also cause adverse reactions. Sometimes such reactions can be permanent. And only modest improvement can be expected with additional treatments. I have a lot of experience in lasers. I was one of the inventors of Fraxel laser when I was at Harvard. I have a custom designed resurfacing laser that no one in the country has. I use it to treat challenging cases of scars, laser burns, lines etc. It is safe for all skin colors. Before I make any promises I have to see u to make sure if I can help u or not. Financially I'm not sure how much it will cost u as I don't know how many treatments it will take to make it better. I guess best would be for u to come in for a visit and we can take it from there. U can email us back anytime. I will have my assistant reach out to u for scheduling your visit Thank you MK
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Yeah $350 is a lot to spend to find out someone can't help you or their treatments are out if your price range. I would also not want to use lasers again after what I've been through. I just don't see how it could help. Sorry her response was disappointing. :(
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Oh well. It was worth a try. Unfortunately, I think if I went to see her, I would probably chew her out...so not a good idea. They should be doing research on how to fix all of us. I am at my wit's end.
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Me too. I'm definitely starting to lose it from dealing with this for so long. Hang in there.
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She's very expensive and does fraxel on herself !
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