Had Botox 13 days ago, pic is from day 10, I feel like there is barely a difference. Im not expecting etched lines to be gone, however , I would like the totally relaxed almost NO movement that others achieve as seen on friends, and before & after pics on the Botox website. Is it possible that my 11 muscles just can not be relaxed ? Please dont lecture me on the no movement thing not being natural as that is my preference) I dont want to go back to doc if this is due to some sort of immunity
Botox Not Working for 11s After 10-14 Days? (photo)
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Botox not working after 2 weeks
Presuming you were treated properly by a highly trained and experienced injector such as a dermatologist, it is most likely that you would require a higher dose of Botox to achieve no movement. That said, it is possible that you could be losing some response to Botox (forming antibodies to it), and so you may want to try another form of botulinum toxin such as Xeomin or Dysport. ~ Dr. Benjamin Barankin, Toronto Dermatology Centre.
For Botox Resistant Individuals, Xeomin or Dysport Can Work Well
I have considerable experience using Botox for aesthetic purposes, having started doing so in 1991, eleven years prior to its official FDA-approval for this purpose. Throughout that time, from time to time, I have encountered individuals who had at first responded well to treatment, but who, after two or more prior treatments, demonstrated either no response, weaker response or shorter duration of response.
The medical literature estimates the development of antibodies in the range of 3%-13%. However, it seems that even among those with proven antibody formation few actually demonstrate any significant loss of responsivity to further treatments. This of course does not rule out that some may indeed do so and this fits my own experience in twenty-one years of injecting Botox for dynamic wrinkles.
An increased chance for promoting antibody formation may also be related to the routine practice of bringing patients back after just two weeks to touch up any areas that may not have completely responded to treatment. For this reason, it is currently deemed wiser to bring patients back no sooner than a month following treatment for touch ups.
When there exists no other obvious explanation for lack or response or loss of response or shortening of duration of response (such as changes in dosing or concentration, etc.), and antibody formation is suspected, a trial of Xeomin, another bolulinum neuromodulator would be reasonable.
Xeomin is essentially a naked Botox, stripped of the proteins that come attached to Botox that are believed responsible for triggering the development of antibodies. I have found Xeomin to helpful among the few patients I have had recently in whom I have suspected antibody-related resistance, In such instances I have seen full responsivity restored.
Although Dysport, the third approved botulinum neuromodulator available in the U.S. market, does contain additional proteins, I have nonetheless also found this product to be useful as an alternative in patients who appear to have grown resistant after several successful prior treatments.
Finally, persistent "etching" of the skin, a result of years of folding the skin with expression, can be further improved with the use of fillers, such as Belotero Balance or Restylane L. As a side benefit, the combination of neuromodulators with fillers, particularly in this region, has been associated with signficant prolongation of the results--upwards of a year, as opposed to only several months when the neuromodulator is used alone.
Why Is It That Botox Doesn't Seem To Work Sometimes?
There are 3 likely reasons that you did not get the result you were looking for. First- it may be that not enough Botox was used (the muscle is weakened but still moving). The fix is more Botox into the same area. Second- Botox may have been injected into part of the muscle, but not all of it (part of the muscle isn't moving at all and another part of the muscle is moving fully). The fix is to inject more Botox into the part of the muscle that didn't get it before. Third- The muscle may be fully relaxed but your wrinkles are deep enough that you are going to have a wrinkle even when there is no muscle movement at all. The skin does have "memory" and if your wrinkles were present AT REST prior to Botox, they will be softened, but not eliminated after Botox. When we inject Botox into a patient for the first time, we are guessing (am educated one- but a guess none the less) as to the exact extent of the muscles that we are trying to weaken. Some time s we don't get a perfect result that first time, but by seeing your response we can learn from that to get a near perfect result the next time. Go back and show your injector what has happened. Explain your concerns. This way you will get a much more satisfactory result next time. Good luck.
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No Botox result after 10-14 days
From your pictures, it does appear that you did get some improvement with the Botox to your frown lines. It's possible that you may just need some more to get a better result. Another option would be to also use a filler under the lines to help soften them more.
Want no movement after Botox
Your 11 lines are significant and etched in. Botox can only relax dynamic lines (those created when you purse your brows together), so since your lines are there at rest as well, those are still going to be there, even if you can get to the no movement at all stage. You can definitely get more Botox injected (and you actually did get a decent result, you probably just need more for the intense dynamic muscles you have there). You are not immune to Botox, I can see a result. You just need more for your desired result. But please know that you will still have some lines there (static lines) even if you're treated to an extent where you can't move that area at all. The static lines you have may soften, but if you want those totally gone, you will need to do a combination of Botox and filler there.
Botox and "11's"
Based on the photo's you've provided, you are having some relief in this area treated. You're probably a good candidate for more product. Dosing should be based on size and strength of muscles and isn't the same for everyone. Visit with your provider closer to two weeks post-treatment for a full assessment and possibly to add more Botox to the areas of residual activity.
May need a few treatments over a year
you have deep 11's. there is some mild improvement but the skin creasing will not disappear after just one treatment. The skin has been used to creasing for years due to underlying muscle movement. Just because the muscles no longer move does not mean the creases will go straight away. I have had several patients in my 15 years injecting botox who have required sequential doses over a period of a year to eradicate the lines that have taken decades to form. I suggest you persevere!
Deep lines in the
It does appear your lines & movement have improved. Although those lines in the "11" area are created from years of making that expression. The lines are deep and may take multiple treatments of Botox. If the multiple treatments does not seem to make a difference, you may need a filler like Juvederm or Restylane to fill those deep lines.
Botox Not Working for 11s After 10-14 Days?
I have used Botox, to reduce unwanted lines and wrinkles for 25 years and there is always a range to the amount of Botox needed to give the desired result. I'd wait a couple more weeks and have another full treatment. For deep Glabellar of forehead lines, we tell patients that they will require a booster Botox treatment at 1 month following the initial Botox treatment to further weaken the muscles responsible for creating the unwanted lines and wrinkles.