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Fillers Don't Seem to Work to Volumize my Face?

At age 47 I had a facelift. At age 57 I had a "facelift revision" and now at age 64 I've had another facelift revision. All by the same surgeon. He recommends CO2 flat-beam resurfacing but said that he couldn't "plump" me out. I had 3 Radiesse injections on the cheek bone. The results disappeared after 3 days! I suspect that other injectables in the cheeks will have zero results. No fat on my body to transfer (5'11", 125# male). Another PS blamed it on genetics and told me to "eat more".

15 Doctor Answers | Asked by loneskate
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Fillers not working

Radiesse is great for spot filling and increasing definition, but for general volume it is not what I would recommend. With no fat to graft, I would recommend Sculptra which works as a diffuse soft tissue enhancer. Usually 3 injection sessions are required- doing it just once will unlikely help so you need to be committed to the process.
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Fillers Do not Work and No Fat for Fat Grafting

No fat for fat grafting - how lucky. I have never seen Radiesse disappear in three days. Other fillers can be tried to assess response, like some of the HA derivatives.
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Adding Volume to the Face

For volumizing, my favorite method for cases such as yours is Sculptra, that can, with two to as many as four treatments, provide a nice amount of filling into the areas that lack volume.

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Adding volume to the face

Sorry to hear about the issue you are experiencing. Don't give up hope, there are other options available for adding volume to the face. One great option is Sculptra. It works very well to restore fullness to the face. It is not a real filler, it is an injectable suture. That being said, it is not as predictable as a filler. It causes irritation of the dermis and collagen formation. The collagen regeneration takes time, and it is not quick like a filler. Usually, multiple... more
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Fat Transfer Injections

Dear loneskate, For volume without adequate fat supply, you should look into Sculptra I love doing fat transfer injections, and usually avoid Sculptra because of the results I can get with fat There is a small population of patients (those without adequate fat) that would benefit from Sculptra Be patient because depending on how much volume you want, it could take multiple sessions Best regards, Nima Shemirani
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Disappearing Radiese

This is a common issue with many patients. as of your low weight for your height, fat transfer may not be a viable option for you. I don't think the radiese disappeared, but rather that more radiese needs to be added. Unfortunately, this gets expensive, but it is the only option for some patients.
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Volumizing after Facelift

The lack of volume after Radiesse injection is likely due to small amounts of injection, rather than loss of the product. The overall loss of volume in the face is not uncommon as we age. I would consider fat grafting for increasing volume. Even in very slim patients, enough fat can usually be harvested for facial grafting. As always, it is important to consult with a reputable, board-certified Plastic Surgeon with your concerns.
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Facial Implants can be used instead of repeated filler injections

Although it would be impossible for Radiesse to disappear in 3 days, I suppose it could disappear in several months. Other potential options would be use of facial cheek implants, but without photos and/or an exam it would not be possible to tell if you are a good candidate.
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Fillers together with facelift really work.

Hi. Radiesse does not disappear in three days. Get another opinion. Anyway, the filler of choice for you may be Juvederm Ultra Plus injected under the skin. In the cheekbone area, this can last one year.
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Longterm Cheek solutions

Good facial volume adds to a youthfull look. Consider malar or submalar implants . These will be permanent and can give substantial volume to the cheeks . Its often a great way to enhance your facelift results. Good luck
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forgot to add ... : Sculptra has a track record of forming "granules" (or whatever they're called) that are sometimes visible on the surface but always felt underneath the skin. It's part of the body's response against them (as best as I understand it). From what other doctors have told me, all the dilution and massaging in the world will not prevent them from occurring if that is what one's immune system is going to do. There's no way to predict in advance.

A dermotologist examined me and told me (perhaps somewhat facetiously) that he could inject Juvederm in me once-a-month for 2 years and it still wouldn't volumize me out to what I desired. He said that there are few doctors who specialize in such "massive volumization" and was trying to remember the name of one in Canada.

Again, the area of concern is the hollow part of my cheeks and not above where the eye socket bone starts. Touch your finger on the bottom of the upper row of teeth and that pinpoints the NL fold area. If I knew I only had 5 years to live, I'd go to Mexico and have silicone injected. By the time it migrates and lumps, I would be dead.

The doctor who told me that he couldn't fill out my cheeks and to "eat more" said that fillers and fat transfer certainly have their place but not for what I was seeking. But I'm not a fan of the buzzphrase "reasonable expectations" (perhaps due to my engineering background) and rather adhere to StarTrek's Capt. Kirk's "I don't believe in no-win scenarios". But in all fairness, perhaps medical science hasn't advanced far enough in this area.
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Update/More Info: immediately after the 3 vials of Radiesse were injected into the malar area, that portion swelled up (too much IMO). More from the reaction of the deep insertion than from the Radiesse, I suspect, because 3 days later the swelling subsided and no enhancement was visible. 2 weeks later the doctor said that he could still "feel" the Radiesse in spite of not seeing any results.

But where I really needed it all along was in the NL fold area (what I call "cheeks"; i.e., what lies below the submalar region). The doctor now wants to extract fat from behind the inside of my knees to fill that area. Implants cannot be put in that region (there are no bones to anchor it). Plus implants bring with them long-term problems. Additionally I feel that because my skin is so thin at my age, you could see the outline of any implants and would have to use fillers to conceal that (thus defeating the purpose of using implants to get away from fillers).

These concerns were readily seen by the PS who did my facelifts. He has always been VERY conservative and tries to keep things simple. He did suggest laser resurfacing to "smooth" the facelift but added that it would not "plump" me out. The only laser he recommends is the fully ablative CO2. Any of the newer fraxel types would be a waste of money in my case (the minimal results would vanish when my healing was complete). But because he could not guarantee that I would not be "pink" for the rest of my life (I'm red-haired, fair thin skin, sunburn easy), I've not followed through with that. (I still sport a small burn on my forehead from a 50% AHA peel 12 years ago!) He said that treatments like Thermage sound good in theory but they don't work for most people.

I never had that much facial fat as a teenager let alone now. So maybe I'm a lost cause as far as that goes. If I eat more, I gain it around my waist before the face and I don't want that. Indeed, the "love handles" around my waist are loose skin and not fat (I've already asked about liposuction; exercise does not help). I actually would like to lose 5-10 more pounds (to 115-120) for some personal reasons (I'm competing against much younger people in this area).
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Hi I am sorry you are having so much trouble achieving the results you had hoped for.I notced some of the Dr.s here had recommended Sculptra . I had it in my face awhile back and although it is clearly temporary , maybe it lasted 1.5-2 years, it Did help me at that time with what was called facial wasting due to my being extrememly thin at that time. I basically looked like i maybe on HIV meds at that time when i went .It absolutely did give me results it absolutely increased the thickness of my skin as well as some volume restoration . I wonder though as i read your posts if your facelift was pulled tight .i wonder if it was pulled tight if perhaps this tension is holding down your injecatbales and making them not show well. I suspect if it was tight you may have a problem showing fluff . I did love Sculptra for the time i was using it . To be clear, i never had any of the lumps someone wrote they always occur .Apparently not always maybe i was just lucky but i had zero in terms of lumping or bumping .I used it in my face had multi treatments , found it to be excellent as far as fillers go .It is unusual how it works in comparison to other fillers as it seems to show up when they do it then appears to disappear and then starts to grow in your own tissue as a immune system response buliding you thicker skin and collagen ,. I felt all of which mimics your face feeling and looking somewhat fuller none , it was natural looking , feeling as well as i found t to be fairly painless .No worse than any other filler that i have experienced to date ., I wish you all the luck in the world .Aquilt
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