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Do I Really Need Double Dysport to Get Same Effect of Botox?
I was told that I need double 50 units of Dysport to get the same effect of 25 units of Botox. Is this true or is the place I called trying to get me pay more since Dysport is 3.99 a unit and Botox is 9.50 a unit?
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kerig
in Arizona
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2x Dysport = ??
Though there is no exact conversion for Botox to Dysport units, it is generally accepted that patients will need 2.5-3 units of Dysport per 1 unit of Botox....so what they are telling you is not unusual or an attempt to charge you too much....in fact they may be under-estimating how much they need.
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Double Dysport Dose to Equal Botox?
All of the injectable companies tell you that the dosages are not equivalent. The FDA has approved treatment of the area between the eyes with Dysport with a common dose of 50 units. The same area has been approved for a common dose or 20 units of Botox. Different injectors will dilute and inject differently. The most important thing is not the price. Please see an experienced and well trained injector.
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Dysport to Botox equivalency
There is not exact equivalency between a botox unit and a dyport unit. However, the general experience is that you will need 2.5 - 3 units of dyport for 1 unit of botox. For that reason, there is no significant cost savings for the patient to have dysport.
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Dysport vs Botox units
The FDA approval for Dysport was based on 50 units for the glabella, an area which typically requires 20 units of Botox. However, with experience using the product, many of us have noticed that the conversion is roughly 3:1, that is 60 units of Dysport has a similar effect to 20 units of Botox. The effects of the two products are slightly different so it's not a precise equation but rather just a rule of thumb. An experienced injector who is familiar with the anatomy of the facial muscles...
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Dysport vs Botox
Dysport comes in 300 unit vials and in terms of conversion it is about 1 unit of Botox to 2 .5-3 of Dysport. It really shouldn't mean anything to you other than it should cost about the same for the two products.
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Do I Really Need Double Dysport to Get Same Effect of Botox?
You may need double the units of Dysport to get the same effects as Botox, but don't think of it that way. Dysport comes in a 300 unit vial and Botox in a 100 unit vial. Think of them as different entities altogether and don't compare units. For example, you'd never say do I need twice as much Amoxicillin as Zithromax? The point is to get the optimum effect from Dysport or Botox, and only a physician experienced with both can do that for you...
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Dysport Relation To Botox
Unfortunately there is no direct conversion between Botox and Dysport dosing. The recommended starting dose of Botox is 20 units in the glabella and Dysport is 50 units in the glabella.
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Dosing of Dysport
Because the dosing of Dysport and Botox are very unique to each drug it is hard to really compare one to the other. Dysport and Botox have different "characteristic" and should be injected by qualified, knowledgeable physicians who have experience using both these drugs.
Good Luck
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Dysport vs. Botox
Dysport comes in units but the calculation is different than Botox when injecting it. So, yes you will need more units of Dysport in a area than Botox. It's usually 2 to 3 units of Dysport per 1 unit of Botox.
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Dysport units "sort of" double Botox units.
Dysport is a cousin of Botox and the units are counted differently, but similar effects are achieved. Someone who doesn't get long lasting effects from Botox after a while may do better with Dysport, but that isn't true for everyone. The different type of unit counting is confusing, since everyone is more used to thinking about Botox, but both products work well and come out to basically similar costs.
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Dysport vs Botox, does it take more Dysport?
Dysport and Botox are essentially the same product, however they are manufactured differently. Therefore one unit of Dysport is not equal to one unit of Botox. Do not be alarmed if you need 50-60 units of Dysport where you used to get 20 units of Botox. The cost and the effect is essentially the same. Maybe one day, competition will will bring down the price.
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Do I need More Dysport than Botox?
Hi Kerig. The conversion rate from Dysport to Botox is actually greater than 2:1 if you look at the FDA approval for both and compare apples to apples. Botox is approved for the glabella (between the eyes) at approximately 20 units per patient. Dysport is approved for this same area at 50 units per patient. So, the resulting conversion rate would actually be 2.5 units of Dysport for every unit of Botox.
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Botox and Dysport units are not equivalent.
Each unit of Botox is not equal to a single unit of Dysport. They are different even though they do the same thing. Generally, you will need 2-3 times as many units of Dysport to get the same effect as you do with Botox. This does not mean that one is better or stronger than the other. It just means they are measured differently. Price is very similar and will depend on your plastic surgeon. Here in New Jersey, we keep the price of the two about the...
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Botox and Dysport units are NOT THE SAME
Yes, you'll need more Dysport units. Typically, you need 2-3 times the number of Dysport units as Botox units to treat the same area. Most people start with 50 units of Dysport in the glabella and add more, if needed, a couple weeks later. Most people do fine with 50 units in that area, just as most people do fine with 20-25 units of Botox in that same area.
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Dysport and Botox
The "units" for Botox and Dysport are arrived at differently and so they are not able to be compared apples to apples. That being said, the final protein being used is identical in size and method of action, they are just wrapped in different envelopes but the same letter is inside. The dosing for conversion has been a long debate but in general somewhere between 2.5 Dysport to 1 Botox seems to be fairly consistent. This does not mean you are getting more of...
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Need double Dysport to get same effect of Botox
WOW! you figured it out! Yes, Gracie, there really is no price savings between the two products! Botox per unit costs $5.84 (this is the cost only not including supplies, overhead, fees). While Dysport costs are $1.99. But the equation for equality of the two products on average is 1 unit of B = 2.5 units of D. So in terms of costs $5.84 to (2.5 x $1.99) $4.96. The difference is $.88 or 50 units x $.88 = $44. If I use 3 units = 1 unit than the difference is reversed! (3 x $1.99 = $5.97 for...
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Dysport units are different than Botox units so they can't be compared that way
With both of these products as well as future products inthat category, the units are an assay of biological activity and are proprietary to each manufacturer. They are not based on weight or any other standard that can be readily compared. Within each is the same active molecule however so when the dosing is right they are equally effective.
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Units required for Botox versus Dysport
The number of units required to acheive the same effect are very different for Dysport versus Botox. There is no exact conversion between products, but in general it takes 2-3 units of Dysport to match the effect of 1 unit of Botox. So if you typically get 25 units of Botox, you will likely need 50-75 units of Dysport. The cost per unit doesn't matter so much in the end, since your overall total price will be similar. There is not a huge cost saving with either product over the other....
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Differences between Dysport and Botox
Dysport is a close relative of Botox that may now be used in the United States. Some advantages to Dysport are a faster onset of action and that it may last a little bit longer than Botox. The amount of Dysport used is somewhat different than the amount of Botox used for the same area. For a great result, work with a board-certified plastic surgeon who will be able to advise you on the amount necessary for the area you are concerned with.
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Dysport vs. Botox
The short answer is yes. For example, a frown line which normally requires 20 units of Botox, will require 50 units of Dysport for the same effect. Dysport costs less per unit, so the TOTAL price for the same area ends up being about the same regardless of which product you use.
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Dysport vs Botox dosage and pricing
Dysport units and Botox units are not equal to each other. For the most part, Botox and Dysport will be comprable in price. Best thing to do is to see a provider with extensive experience with Dysport and you should be extremely happy with this product.
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Both Dysport and Botox give excellent softening of dynamic eye wrinkles
Both Dysport and Botox give excellent cosmetic softening of the dynamic wrinkles in the area around the eyes. Botox has been FDA approved in the United States for many years and Dysport has been used around the world for many years and recently been approved in United States.
The FDA approved dilution for effectiveness is twice as many units of Dysport for the same effect as Botox. So the advice you received from your surgeon appears to be correct.
I hope this answers your questions.
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Dysport units vs. Botox units
Dysport units are very different from Botox units. There is different onset of action and differences in duration. There is no true ratio between the two. A guideline is 2-3 units of Dysport to 1 unit of Botox. This is not cut and dry because in some areas you might want to use more and in other areas you might need less. You are being quoted very reasonable prices for both Dysport and Botox. Good luck.
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