Ive been researching subglandular and submuscular for weeks now. im not sure where the best placement for my body is! Ive had a little weight loss and my breasts have sagged slightly this past year. Ive been to 2 consultations and both Drs said different things. Also, not sure what size to get either but was recommended 275-325cc silicone. i want to fill out where my breasts look flat and empty above and on the sides of my chest while achieving perkiness and the most natural looking and feeling
Breast Augmentation Decision Confusion about Subglandular or Submuscular Placement.
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4 options for breast implant placement, not just under or over muscle
Though we have traditionally considered only 2 options, there are actually 4 in use today: subpectoral or under the muscle (typically "dual-plane"), subglandular (in front of the muscle), subfascial, or split subpectoral. The first part of the decision is coverage; a thin patient will usually do better with under muscle placement. However, with the implant under the muscle there is the potential for distortion of the breast with muscle flexion, called animation deformity. This occurs to some degree with the majority of patients who have implants under with the dual-plane technique. The subfascial technique is above the muscle but behind a layer called fascia (pronounced like "fashion"), which is thin but may add some support. Finally, the split muscle technique allows for muscle coverage over the upper part of the breast while minimizing the risk of animation deformity with athletic activity.
Subglandular vs Subpectoral Breast Augmentation
I utilize primarily subglandular, submuscular, and dual plane breast augmentation. I believe you would best benefit from a subglandular augmentation based on the information given, but a breast consultation in my office takes time and effort because of the many options, theories, and preferences that have been listed on this page. I believe all methods have their place for the following reasons. the main considerations are listed below in simplified form
Submuscular is preferred when
- small amount of soft tissue breast coverage (even if you have B sized breast to begin with, if you go with a large implant you need maximal coverage
- no droopiness of the breast
Subglandular is preferred when
- adequate breast tissue is present to cover the implant (this depends on breast implant chosen and natural breast tissue present)
- a small amount of droopiness is present but not enough to warrant a full breast lift (such as the photos appear to be in this case) The implant can fill out the breast most adequately in the subglandular position as it is placed directly beneath the breast. The pectoralis muscle minimizes the energy transferred to the breast.
Placement of implants
Your skin quality is the main determinant of location and so the best person to answer this question is your plastic surgeon. In my practice a majority of women get submuscular or dual plane implants and especially in those women who have lost weight. The skin has lost volume and elasticity and as such cannot bear the weight of the implant.
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Sub-glandular vs. sub-muscular breast implant placement
As in researching the issue, it's clear that you won't get a solid consensus on this issue with plastic surgeons.
I agree with Drs. Law, Rand, and Pousti among others here. The reason to do breast augmentation with the implant under the pectoralis muscle for the central, upper, medial part of the breast is because of experience with thousands of patients over many years. The results are better and more controlled (assuming the surgeon knows how to size the implant properly and to get the implant under the pectoralis muscle and dual-plane release the inferior/lateral border) both short term and long term. In my opinion, any plastic surgeon who uses a sub-glandular placement of an implant doesn't know how to get the implant under the muscle properly, doesn't follow patients long term, or doesn't want to use extensive experience of others and will do whatever the patient says they want.
The one trade-off of sub-pectoral implant placement is the animation-distortion of the breast by maximal flexing of the pectoralis muscle. This has been minimized by proper dual-plane release of the pectoralis muscle out of the lower pole of the breast. Not all plastic surgeons are familiar with the issues of releasing the pectoralis muscle properly.
Sizing the implant is another issue but proper sizing and its effects is based on sub-pectoral placement. The same volume implant will make a bigger looking breast if the implant is above the muscle as compared to an implant blended in by the muscle for the central/upper/medial part of breast. This is why sub-pectoral implants look more natural and although someone with thick skin, lots of fat, or lots of breast tissue can "get away" with a sub-glandular silicone gel-filled implant in the short run, most such implants will become visible to various degrees as the patient ages.
Subglandular vs Submuscular
The term subpectoral and submuscular are often used interchangeably and describe placement of the breast implant beneath the pectoralis major muscle, which lies under the breast tissue. This position is the most commonly used and allows the superior and medial portion of the implant to be covered by breast tissue and muscle. Subpectoral placement is best for thin patients with little (less than 2cm) superior breast or subcutaneous tissue. This position helps decrease the chances that the implant will be visible through the skin postoperatively and may decrease longer-term complications like capsular contraction. However, some patients may notice implant movement with contraction of the muscle.
A subglandular implant is placed below the breast tissue but above the pectoralis major muscle. This position is best for patients with thicker upper chest skin, those with minimal ptosis (i.e. drooping of the breasts), or women with previously placed subpectoral implants requiring certain revision operations.
Web reference: http://www.jaimeperezmd.com
THere are advantages to both the submuscular and subglandular placement of the implants in
breast augmentation, and the decision is too complicateed to make on line without a consultation and a discussion with the patient to determine her goals and expectations. The submuscular placement helps hide any rippling and smooths out the "feel" of the implants. If your preference is a saline implant, and particularly if you are thin without a great deal of breast tissue to cover the implant, this becomes an extremely important consideration. Mammograms are also more revealing if the implant is in the submuscular position. On the other hand, if you have a small amount of ptosis (drooping of the breasts) and nild skin laxity, subglandular placement will take up the laxity much more efficiently, and will provide a small amount of lift. Here choosing a silicone implant would be more important. In summary, this decision is the result of a process of discussion and education, and to make the best possible choice for your particular situation a consultation and frank discussion are critical.
Web reference: http://www.plasticsurgeryweb.com
Breast Implant Position
My preference when possible is to place the implants underneath the chest wall muscle as I feel long term there are less problems. Without seeing photos and examining you , I would hesitate to make recommendation.
Submuscular Vs Subglandular Implant Placement
Submuscular implants as the name implies are placed at least partially below the pectoralis muscle whereas subglandular implants are placed on top of the muscle. I place 95+% of my breast implants below the muscle which I feel usually gives a softer and more natural result. The downside is a bit more discomfort for the first few post-op days and the need for a strap on the upper breasts to encourage the implants to descend into a favorable position. Perhaps you should seek a third opinion since you have had 2 divergent opinions already. You might also benefit from a lift if your sagging is significant.
Above or Below: Never Ending Debate
Thanks for the good pictures. The big debate about underneath or above the muscle revolves around coverage. This is judgement made at your exam. if your tissue is thin above the breast then placement of the implant beneath the muscle is warranted. if there is ample tissue in this area then placing the implant above the muscle is reasonable. As an educated guess I would place your implant beneath the muscle.
Breast Implants Selecting the apropriate position
The next very compelling reason to select sub-pectoral placement is a cosmetic one. Implants placed on top of the pec major tend to stand out in the upper pole of the breast, creating a rounded, convex and distinctly unnatural-appearing breast profile. With implants in a sub-pectoral position, the upper pole of the implant is flattened somewhat by the muscle, helping to create a smooth transition from the area in the upper chest where the breast begins, and a gradual slope towards the nipple that is not excessively rounded or convex. In some patients with a fuller breast volume preoperatively one may get an acceptable appearance with pre-pectoral placement - initially. The problem is that as breasts age, the fatty tissue atrophies and breast tissue thins out, and the area where this is most obvious is in the upper pole and cleavage area. So a pre-pectoral implant that was initially well-concealed may, after a few years, become painfully obvious (including visible implant folds and ripples) in the upper pole.
'Under the muscle' and 'sub-pectoral' are actually somewhat misleading terms, as in most cases the implant is only partially subpectoral. The anatomy of the pectoralis major muscle is such that it is actually just the upper/medial half of the implant that is covered by the muscle, while the lower/lateral half of the implant is submammary. The pectoralis major thus provides an additional layer of tissue to conceal the implant in the most cosmetically significant area of the breast: the cleavage area. This is why saline implants are often easy to feel laterally, as they are covered by breast tissue only in lateral aspect of the breast, and in slender patients who have small breasts preoperatively the implant is often immediately under the skin in this area.
These answers are for educational purposes and should not be relied upon as a substitute for medical advice you may receive from your physician. If you have a medical emergency, please call 911. These answers do not constitute or initiate a patient/doctor relationship.
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