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Does Sciton Skintyte Laser replace the use of Botox and fillers?

Posted 11 May 2008

I am considering the Sciton Skintyte laser on my face and neck. I was told during my consultation that the Sciton skin tightening would eliminate the need for Botox and Restalyne, which I have previously had done. I also now have deep creases on my face from sleeping on my side and my skin is starting to sag around my neck, which I would like to address hopefully with the Sciton.

I am not completley sure if their claims of treating the deeper lines on my face are true. They also stated the effects should last about 5 years, but of course there are no guarantees.

I am 43 and live in Florida and have always been a sun worshipper and am now being rewarded with skin cancer (basal cell and melanoma) and wrinkles. Also, are these laser procedures safe or will they exacerbate the problems in the long run? I would like your opinion on the Sciton. Am I wasting my money?

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tbirdlvr 1 May 2013

Will the skin tyte laser reduce the creepy skin on the inside of my arms?

sdonohue 18 Sep 2012
This is a local Living Social Deal. I am interested, but cannot take anytime off other than maybe a weekend. What would be the "average" healing time needed for these treatments? Will they make any significant improvement to my skin? Does the discounted cost seem out of line? Here is the offer: To target sagging skin and help improve skin elasticity, get one Scion laser skin-tightening procedure for $699 (a $1,500 value), get two treatments for $1,198 (a $3,000 value), or three treatments for $1,497 (regularly $4,500).
Megan P (Community Manager) 18 Sep 2012

I would encourage you to continue to read people's reviews who have had the treatment done to educate yourself on what and what not to expect from the treatment.

Here are a couple to get you started:

“Fraxel Vs Sciton Results”

“Sciton ProFractional Laser is a Waste of Money Compared to CO2 Laser Peel”

“Sciton Microlaser Peel”

“Sciton Erbium YAG Laser This Morning"

Beyond just the price, remember that the person performing the treatment plays a vital role in how well it turns out. Here is a blog that talks about the importance of choosing a good treatment provide:

Staggering Differences in Satisfaction Between Board vs. Non-Board Certified Doctors

If you decide to do it, let us know how it goes!

CP2 18 Feb 2012

My mom has "fatty tissue tumors" under the skin on her legs and arms. The dermatologist said there is nothing that can be done other than surgically removing them. Is there any type of treatment that would help to get rid of or minimize these tumors? Thanks

Megan P (Community Manager) 2 Mar 2012

CP2, this would be a great question to post in our Q&A section as well. The board certified doctors that volunteer on the site can share their opinions on the matter.

Very sweet of you to be looking into this for your mom! :)

skinsmart 2 Mar 2012

CP2 you may be describing lipomas. The gold standard treatment for these is excision. Other treatment modalities include intralesional steroid injections or injectable lipolysis. There now these non invasive ultrasound devices which can be tried.

Laser resurfacing procedures should not form any scar tissue at all. If you are prone to keloids, and the laser is done too aggressively such that a scar forms, it could keloid.

I would add, however, that very few people with lighter skin types will keloid at all, and especially not in the face. If you are a dark skin type, then laser resurfacing should not be done at all, regardless of keloid issues. Dark skin has a very high risk of pigment abnormalities after resurfacing and should simply not be treated that way.

I would also add that what many people call a keloid is not a keloid, even some physicians don't know the difference. Most "keloids" are actually hypertrophic scars. Keloids grow beyond the original scar and continue to invade tissues and enlarge indefinitely, like a tumor. Hypertrophic scars are thick scars but do not continue to get thicker after the initial development and do not invade adjacent tissues.
jennablon1 15 Jun 2012
Could a scar form after having a Skintyte laser treatment? I had one about 2 years ago now and it was the most painful thing I have ever experienced. I'm not sure how well the tech performing the procedure knew the process. Shortly thereafter, I began having more abdominal pain (prcoedure was for my stomach) and ever since then have seen more and more scar tissue seem to form just outside the navel area. I get bouts of intense pain as if something is cutting through the skin and into tissue. It was small in the beginning but has grown and can be quite painful. What do you do about this kind of thing?
Benjamin Ticho, MD 15 Jun 2012
Something doesn't sound right SkinTyte should not produce the symptoms you describe, even if performed incorrectly. Check with a physician.
kygal4489 8 Feb 2012
Are there any laser resurfacing treatments that are safe for individuals who sometimes form keloids? It has been suggested that keloids don't usually form on the face... Thanks
Babs0347 24 Jan 2012

Does it or does it not work for age spots, redness and lite lines? Sciton and what should be the going rate.

Benjamin Ticho, MD 31 Jan 2012
Sciton BBL (an improved version of IPL = intense pulsed light) is a great method of treating age spots and red areas. Basically, by picking the wavelength which is preferentially absorbed by a target color (e.g., brown or red), you can deliver energy more or less just to that target tissue. This gets rid of the undesired color without damaging the adjacent areas. Usually 3 or more treatments are needed to get rid of age spots; the cost varies depending on the size / number of targets and the area of the body being treated. You may pay anywhere from $200-800.

Fine lines, on the other hand, are better treated with Sciton laser resurfacing. This essentially blasts away the surface tissue, allowing line resolution to occur as tightening healing occurs. Again, the cost varies dramatically depending on treatment area (size and location).
skinsmart 19 Jun 2011
Fortunately there are many non-surgical alternatives to going under the knife in order to tighten lax skin. Infrared devices such as the Sciton's SkinTyte, Cutera's Titan and the monopolar radiofrequency device Thermage can be used. Your dermatologist should be able to explain to you what to expect and the differences between these procedures and the surgical alternative. The CO2 laser being a hot laser also delivers some thermal injury responsible for some tightening.
justthefacts 20 May 2011
Hi
I would be dubious of any claim that a laser can do things like tighten and lift, as though a replacement for a surgical lift. The Co2 laser is the gold standard, and that laser and chemical peels help freshen the surface by burning off the upper layers.
I'm not a doctor. But it seems like whatever laser the doctor happens to have, well that's the one that works! Oh please. They cya by saying 'oh, it takes a series' or whatever. Please read the commens of people who have paid a lot of money for series of lasers but in the end saw little or no improvement.
justthefacts 20 May 2011
I would like to add that, over this past 18 months reading what I could find online, joining a few good chat boards, I have come to believe that botox merely treats the symptoms but fillers address the problem: loss of fat, collagen, elastin. If you have a loss of volume, putting HA filler or sculptra should eliminate the need to use botox. Those lines are mostly from loss of fat in the area. Just my take. Botox is cheap but in the long run, putting back what was lost is the best thing.
Benjamin Ticho, MD 31 Jan 2012
Botulinum toxin treats something quite different from fillers. Botulinum improves wrinkles by relaxing muscles. Radiesse, Restylane, etc., replace lost tissue, as you say. Putting fillers in your crow's feet and forehead wrinkles is not the best choice. Putting Botox in your nasolabial fold won't work. Apples and oranges.
Benjamin Ticho, MD 16 May 2011
Sciton SkinTyte is more a partial substitute for a neck lift than Botox. A noninvasive, nonpainful series of treatments, SkinTyte heats the deep skin layers to induce collagen formation, and thereby reduce skin laxity. My experience is that SkinTyte is effective (more than Thermage), but does require several (fairly short & easy) treatments to get and maintain the desired effect.
Spring62 26 Sep 2012
How long does the Skintyte laser procedure last if I have 3 treatments done? According to The Doctors on tv, they say you need at least 3 treatments for results but no one has said how long they last. I am 62 years old and am starting to get the "turkey" neck. Do you think this treatment is worth the money?
Godiva00 25 Dec 2012
Does SkinTyte loose effectiveness over time? I had one treatment and looked great for about two hours. I am considering canceling my next appointment because it wasn't much of an improvement and I'm only 40. Can you recommend a laser for tightening skin that will work on creepy skin?
Godiva00 25 Dec 2012
I had one SkinTyte treatment and it lasted two hours. After that my saggy jawline loosened up again. Considering canceling my next appointment.
Benjamin Ticho, MD 25 Dec 2012
I would not expect a significant effect after 1 or even 3 or 4 treatments. Usually, the maximum effect occurs several months after treatment. This is very unlike many other aesthetic treatments, in that it takes quite awhile to work. On the other hand, it does tighten skin nonsurgically, is very easy and has effectively no down time for the patient. This remains a very good treatment for loose neck skin.
San Diego1 17 Jan 2011
Fillers and Botox are not replaced by lasers. Botox relaxes wrinkles and lines and fillers "fill" them.

Lasers resurface the skin but have no effect on dynamic wrinkles (the ones treated with Botox) and some moderate effect on static wrinkles caused by age and collagen breakdown. But this is dependent upon the type of the laser and the level of aggressiveness.

Full surface lasers (not the fractional lasers) require significant healing time and most people don't want to deal with an oozy mass of raw skin while that healing is in progress.

The fact that you are dealing with skin cancer should certainly be addressed and resolved FIRST! Should you require cancer removal surgery on your face, then some laser could help minimize scarring.

Lasers base their effectiveness on the delivery of heat, and to get tightening you have to have considerable levels of heat.
Fractional lasers such as the Lumenis DeepFX or the Fraxel CO2 or Syneron's ematrix, all tighten by both ablation(varporization of columns of tissue) plus the extended effect of heat which spreads out beyond the ablated columns.

The body's response is to tighten the collagen strands. Obviously the ablation itself will cause some tightening since the volume of skin tissue is lessened - although at a small percentage.

If the tissue laxity on your neck is significant, you likely will need surgery to get the effects you want. For those with minimal jowling and neck laxity, Thermage may be useful. But nothing will replace the effects of surgery for tightening when there is considerable sagging.

As for sleep wrinkles - you really can only combat them by changing your sleep position. High sodium intake tends to make sleep wrinkles on the face and chest more obvious since your tissue will hold more water.
Lucky333 6 May 2010
does anything really work for the sagging neck? I've read and seen some to the pictures on this bolg and it looks scary.
justthefacts 26 Apr 2010
I appreciate your answer. There are so many lasers and so many claims it is hard to know what is what. Can you or anyone say whether the resurfacing lasers (Co2 and Erbium) also tighten skin? Thank you.
Don't count on it. Infrared collagen remodeling (skin tyte) yields dubios results at best. If you are having issues with basal cell ca and have extensive UV damage to your skin, you should consider laser resurfacing. This actually works at eliminating mild to moderate wrinkles and improving deep ones. You will still need injectable fillers in your smile lines and Botox in your forehead. Laser resurfacing will also greatly reduce your incidence of future basal cells. The results are dramatic on almost everyone. The catch, you need to take a good bit of time for healing. 10 days to makeup and 3 months to really being healed. If you didn't have to heal from it, it didn't change you. Sciton and other companies make resurfacing lasers that do work. The magical machines that supposedly do everything without healing are snake oil. Resurfacing can be done to different depths, if you don't have it done to the deepest depth, you won't get the full effect. Again, it should take 3 months to heal.

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