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Natural (and very cheap) alternatives to Botox

  • antiagingman29
  • 6 months ago

I was wondering if we could share on this forum or if there is another part of realself where we can share strategies for increasing facial volume naturally.I appreciate that much of the research on the causes of volume loss may be accurate but I am basically convinced that some of the medical research in this area is incorrect, that there is a gap in knowledge and that there is a bias toward the publication of research which supports cosmetic surgery (maybe this is the wrong site for writing this!!).  I personally think that facial exercises do work for instance, where many doctors believe that they do no work.  There is an absence of evidence but this is not evidence of absence.  I just think it is hard to perceive and no one who promotes facial exercises has the means to fund an expensive clinical trial  However, facial exercises only make the muscles shorter and the face more lifted, it does nothing for facial volume unless you count the changes in muscle volume but I think it is fat we are most concerned with..I just feel somehow if we work together we might be able to find a solution which involves restoring facial fat to the face and then manipulating that fat with facial exercises).  I know it may not restore the exact proportions of youth but neither does Botox!!  I think that perhaps some of the change in facial volume may be explained by hormonal changes.  E.g. If Progesterone and Estrogen are out of balance (e.g. Estrogen Dominance) then peoples legs get very fat (and abdomen?) and I believe there are other distribution changes (this happens to us all I think but particularly to those who are stressed).  I am not a clinician (I am a medical statistician)  but where does that fat to the legs come from?  Is it the face?  What about other hormone changes?  What about other hormonal ratio imbalances that occur through age?  If you buy a progesterone cream you can restore the balance and herbs such as ginger affect other hormones.  I have noticed changes in facial fat from the things I have been doing.  I have a lot more to share but is anyone else on this forum interested?

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I remember reading something a doctor specializing in HRT said, that she could tell immediately when walking into a room filled with women, who was getting the HRT and who wasn't. Hormones are EVERYTHING just about when it comes to aging or not. You hit on this. I think I read it on a site discussing this exact topic.
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oh and of course count me in as VERY interested! I like this idea of sharing ways to increase volume rather than depending on artificial methods. Fat, fat, fat is absolutely needed in certain areas (eyes esp.) for a prettier look. I like that you know medical statistics. And I agree with what you say about hormones which are very important. What else have you been doing? I like your idea!
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botox is NOT for volume. It is for wrinkles. Period. Juvederm is an example of something used to add volume. I would venture to say that botox results in even LESS volume or appearance of volume since the muscles become a bit underused and therefore saggier/less volumized.
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I recently discovered endermologie. A suction machine does different patterns on the face and neck. It made my face relaxed and smooth. I got it done at "the healing institute" in niwot co. Its called the "mini facelift."
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Hi Surgeryexperience, Interesting but I think this is not along the lines of this post?
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http://www.lpgsystems.com/endermologie/endermolift/index.php http://allure-skincare.com/endermologie/whats-endermolift/ Here are a couple of different links on the topic. I believe it to be more proactive than botox... it is working to restore natural youthfulness. It fills in lines, smooths out the face, and firms up the treated area.
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Is it natural and very cheap?
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There are a few threads on RealSelf about facial exercises as an alternative to botox and fillers- here is the most popular one: 

http://www.realself.com/review/home-wrinkle-treatm...

If you just use the search bar on any RealSelf page and type in "facial exercises" you will see a bunch of forum threads.

And for the record, RealSelf is definitely the place to talk about all this stuff- we talk all things medi-beauty, including the alternative and natural treatments.  Don't be shy!  
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Hi Jill81. Thank you very much for your helpful and informative reply!! I will be sure to check the link out. Personally I am not convinced that facial exercises can create sufficient volume or even if the result would be visually desirable if it could. I really get the feeling that loss of facial fat is the biggest contributor to volume loss. I really think that the reasons for this volume loss may be debatable and at any rate I think that it might be possible to do a sort of engineering type job and cause more fat to go to the face through a healthy supplement regime. I know for instance that cortisol can cause the face to puff out but high levels of cortisol are very unhealthy (it is related to stress in case you were not already aware). I am fervently of the opinion that facial exercises work in terms of repositioning the fat that is already there.
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Yeah it is all an interesting subject.  A lot of people on RealSelf swear by facial exercises and have some pretty noticeable results, especially regarding wrinkles.  I agree that volume loss is really more of a fat thing, and as we age we lose facial fat.  I know I'd much rather do something more natural than get filler if it worked (I haven't done anything at this point- no filler and no alternative treatments or supplements).  
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Ah yes. Natural looks better for sure. I think it is a real challenge to figure out anything that works as fat distribution changes may a couple of years (if you look at what happens when people take hormones e.g. during the menopause and in sex changes); might take less I guess. It is also difficult because you can't be sure what exactly caused the change in fat. That is why I think a site like this is great because you can collaborate with others and they can say what they took etc and if you have enough cases then you can whittle out the common one. But its also difficult to be certain your face has changed.
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