Artefill move on you?

  • Stephanie
  • 7 years ago

anyone had problems with artefill moving or shifting?

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If it was treated with kenelog and 5fu does that mean its out of the spot it was put in?
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NEVER let you inject with 5FU. This is a chemo treatment!! All permanent fillers consist of acrylic. This is stated in the leaflet. The bumps are just hardened plastic. They can disappear just in one way which is cut out by a good surgeon.
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Do you know of a Doctor in Toronto Canada that has experience removing the Artecoll. I have gone to a few Plastic Surgeons and none of them are willing to remove it. My bumps are hard as you said and will not go away. After 13 years I don't believe they will ever go away if they have not by now. I realize the only way to get rid of them is to cut them out, but have no idea who to go to. Thank you for your reply
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Hi Cayman, you might try a Dr.Schwartz in Montreal
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The number of Injectables seem to increasing at a astronomic rate. Agents such as Bioalcamid, Aquamid, and Injectable Silicone are a few of the new names we are beginning to hear. The supposed experts are now trying to blame bacteria which supposedly grows on the surface of injectables ( Biofilms )for all the reactions we are seeing. How are you the patient going to decide what to use. First you talk to an expert like Scott Binder The Chief of Pathology at UCLA. He is truly the king of the microscope and says that these filler reactions are not due to biofilms but agrees that they are immune reactions of the body to agents that should never be used in humans. We both agree that TEMPORARY agents like the pure Hyaluronic acids are the best available products. Permanent fillers have permanent problems !Furthermore don’t take your face to Costco but go to someone you know is experienced in the use of injectables. Finally stay far away from consultants to drug companies because these are the ones responsible for the making the field of soft tissue augmentation into a filler fantasy where profit comes before safety. Biofilms have been found on solid breast implants but not on liquid injectables. I will find the best doc for you in Toronto.
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Wednesday, October 24, 2012 Gottfried Lemperle settled with Elizabeth Sandor in 2009 Gottfried Lemperle’s Settlement of Elizabeth Sandor’s lawsuit against Artes Medical The 2006 lawsuit of Elizabeth Sandor vs. Artes Medical USA, Inc., Prof. Gottfried Lemperle, et al. (Superior Court of San Diego; Case Number 37-2007-00083095-CU-MM-CTL) for alleged personal injury was settled on March 12, 2009, after Ms. Sandor's attorneys had realized that most of their client's allegations were either misrepresented or entirely false. Two of Ms. Sandor's allegations however, which ultimately prompted a settlement between her and Prof. Lemperle, were correct and based on the facts that Dr. Gottfried Lemperle’s long-standing German medical license is not valid in California and that ArteFill® permanent injectable wrinkle filler was not yet approved for human use at the time of her alleged injections in 2001 (despite the fact that Artes Medical had received an 'approvable letter' for ArteFill with certain conditions from the FDA at the time). Miss Sandor herself asked for injections of her acne scars- at no cost to her- as she was an early investor and shareholder in Artes Medical. Ms. Sandor was fully aware of the fact that at the time of her injections with ArteFill's predecessor product Artecoll®, Artes Medical was still in the process of working with the FDA on obtaining final marketing approval for next generation product ArteFill. Most importantly and contradictory to her allegations, Miss Sandor never suffered any disfigurement from her Artecoll injections, but rather had developed two small, well-circumscribed pimples at the injection site, which resolved spontaneously and are not uncommon with wrinkle fillers in general. Artes Medical's founder and former CEO, Dr. Stefan Lemperle, and San Diego Plastic Surgeon Dr. Steven Cohen had no involvement in any of the injections of Miss Sandor and Miss Sandor's attorney dismissed the case against both doctors as well as Artes Medical in early 2009. Posted by Gotfried Lemperle at 4:44 PM
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Dr. Klein, Thank you for your response. If you happen to know of a doctor in Toronto I am very interested in his/her name. Do you think artecoll can be surgically removed form the nasal labial lines?
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I am so happy to read about how you are so against permanent fillers. In 2003 unfortunately I made a big mistake by getting Artecoll injected into my lips. It has been a nightmare for me. I have horrible lumps and uneven smile because of the artecoll. I agree this product should not be on the market. I do not know what to do with the mess that I have created by being so stupid to get a permanent filler. People need to realize permanent is permanent and if you don't like what you see there is not much you can do about it. I live in Toronto Canada and have had no luck finding a Doctor to help me. I was wondering if you know of someone with experience removing this horrible product so I can smile again. I'm so self conscious and will not smile for photos because it looks so bad. Please help if you can and Thank You for trying to prevent this from happening to others who just are not thinking about what they are doing by using permanent fillers. Seems to be a lot of women out there that have this problem with no solution. Thanks again for trying to make a difference.
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NEVER let you inject with 5FU. This is a chemo treatment!! All permanent fillers consist of acrylic. You can read it in the leaflet. The bumps are just hardened plastic. They can disappear but in a way which is cut by a good surgeon.
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If there is an answer to the problem of permanent fillers I would love to hear about them. Many people do not understand that these are permanent. I honestly thought they were just longer lasting because the dr. I used presented them that way. If anyone knows of a Dr. who can help please post it. Thank you so much.
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I have been seeing Dr. Trevor Born in Toronto, he also practices in New York City. I had my second steroid injection today on my lips with no bruising. The injections seem to be shrinking my artecoll. Resulting in a better shape and not as uneven. Keeping my fingers crossed. You need to wait three to four weeks to see the full result. Dr Born is very gentle. He also uses 5fu in his practice but did not need to on me.Thank you so much Dr. Born!!! Next visit he will be removing the fat grafting I had between my nasal folds in 2004 with a micro liposuction on September 17th.My face is over filled by a very well know plastic surgeon!!! I will keep you posted good luck.
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Hi, how is your treatment going? I have the same problem and would like to know if the problem was resolved. Thanks.
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Can anyone recommend a reputable doctor in Toronto, ON, Canada, who administers 5fu and Kenalog injections (which I learned about on this site) to remove granulomas caused by Artecoll? I had injections in my lips and above my upper lip, 10 years ago and about 6 years ago my lips were swollen and lumpy. I went to a dermatologist and he injected cortisone which helped a bit but it looks like I have pebbles stuck in and around my mouth. The plastic surgeon I saw was no help at all and I'm getting married in a year and was hoping to be able to smile confidently at my wedding. I'm so embarrassed by it, I tell people it's scar tissue from a biking accident I had as a child. Please help. Thank you.
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a dermsurgeon friend asked her colleagues, and one suggested checking with Dr. Sheldon (http://www.derma-surgery.ca/meetdr.asp). She also forwarded me an article called "Soft-Tissue Filler Complications: The Important Role of Biofilms" that is worth looking up.

The authors provide this information:

 

Biofilms and Their
Relationship to Soft-Tissue Fillers:
The cause of foreign-body granuloma after
soft-tissue filler injection has been hypothesized to
be attributable to implantation in one session of
volumes that are too large, impurities in the agent,
or irregularities of the filler surface, but the impact
of biofilms has yet to be established. Reports of
delayed complications temporally related to systemic infections support the infectious cause.

All fillers, especially longer lasting products, have
the potential for biofilm complications....

Complications should be approached in an
algorithmic manner with early recognition (Fig.
2). If possible, one should make every attempt to
determine what was injected into the site. If the
wound is fluctuant, it should be needle-drained
and cultured. Cultures should be sent to the laboratory immediately for appropriate handling.

They also should be monitored for up to 21 days
for routine culture and atypical infections. The
initial antibiotic regimen should consist of at least
two-drug therapy, such as a quinolone and a third generation macrolide, to prevent further biofilm deposition. Macrolides have been shown to be
uniquely effective, which appears to be related to
improved accumulation in the subcutaneous fat
(where the filler material typically resides) and
may also block quorum sensing.

After a trial of antibiotics, intralesional highdose steroids should be considered. If hyaluronic acid was used, hyaluronidase should also be
considered.

Excision should be the last step. This
algorithm is exemplified in Figure 3. This patient
presented with nonfluctuant inflammation following hyaluronic acid to the lips. She was successfully treated sequentially with an antibiotic regimen,
hyaluronidase, intralesional steroids, and eventual
transoral excision.

 

 

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I also have had a terrible problem with an artecoll injection I had done 13 years ago. Unfortunately it is getting worse as my skin ages. I am interested to know if anyone has had any luck removing artecoll and the scar tissue from smile lines?

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Wednesday, October 24, 2012 Gottfried Lemperle settled with Elizabeth Sandor in 2009 Gottfried Lemperle’s Settlement of Elizabeth Sandor’s lawsuit against Artes Medical The 2006 lawsuit of Elizabeth Sandor vs. Artes Medical USA, Inc., Prof. Gottfried Lemperle, et al. (Superior Court of San Diego; Case Number 37-2007-00083095-CU-MM-CTL) for alleged personal injury was settled on March 12, 2009, after Ms. Sandor's attorneys had realized that most of their client's allegations were either misrepresented or entirely false. Two of Ms. Sandor's allegations however, which ultimately prompted a settlement between her and Prof. Lemperle, were correct and based on the facts that Dr. Gottfried Lemperle’s long-standing German medical license is not valid in California and that ArteFill® permanent injectable wrinkle filler was not yet approved for human use at the time of her alleged injections in 2001 (despite the fact that Artes Medical had received an 'approvable letter' for ArteFill with certain conditions from the FDA at the time). Miss Sandor herself asked for injections of her acne scars- at no cost to her- as she was an early investor and shareholder in Artes Medical. Ms. Sandor was fully aware of the fact that at the time of her injections with ArteFill's predecessor product Artecoll®, Artes Medical was still in the process of working with the FDA on obtaining final marketing approval for next generation product ArteFill. Most importantly and contradictory to her allegations, Miss Sandor never suffered any disfigurement from her Artecoll injections, but rather had developed two small, well-circumscribed pimples at the injection site, which resolved spontaneously and are not uncommon with wrinkle fillers in general. Artes Medical's founder and former CEO, Dr. Stefan Lemperle, and San Diego Plastic Surgeon Dr. Steven Cohen had no involvement in any of the injections of Miss Sandor and Miss Sandor's attorney dismissed the case against both doctors as well as Artes Medical in early 2009. Posted by Gotfried Lemperle at 4:44 PM
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I have the same problem with artecoll lumps in my lips. wondering if you went to Dr. Sheldon and was he able to help you.
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I live in Rockford,Il. and I had Artefill injected in March 2013. I have cried and prayed for someone who could reverse this horrible mistake. I had it done and right away knew it was a mistake. He even talked me into an extra injection. It hurt and I let him know that he should stop. He did not and now my eyes are red underneath with red bumps. I had no idea it would be anywhere close to my eyes. He was told to put it in the folds round the mouth and cheeks. Dr. seems to think it is amusing and suggested I needed more. I may not be able to help myself but I so want to warn people to read the fine print because I did not. I honestly did not know it was forever. Is there any avenue to get this to the public. I do not want others to suffer the way I have. My face is not mine anymore. I wish I had taken the plunge and had a regular facelift. At least I would have had a chance because I am told this is not going away. I hope someone comes up with a product that can help or that doctors will somehow find a solution.
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mom2jazzy, I am really sorry - I know how you feel. I had Artefill injected in March of 2010 in my chin area. It is still there and uneven - and to this day still bothers me. I have heard that F5U and Kenalog mixed together has worked for other people with this problem. Maybe you could do a search on this website for a doctor that has performed this. Also, I would call the number on the Artefill website and file a complaint about this doctor - they will look into it. Also, I would file a complaint on the Better Business Bureau to get your money back and to also have a complaint against him. You might also be able to call a doctor's board - not sure what that is exactly - and file a complaint against him for improper conduct. I hope you find a solution.
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this is devastating news, I am so sorry. Please know that I can really relate. the error made during my artecoll injection has changed my life, I am constantly conscious of it and have been for 13 years. I recently spoke with a very reputable dermatologist who suggested i contact a Dr. Shwartz in Montreal Canada. i will do that very soon and post his recommendations. the dermatologist told me that this plastic surgeon has surgically removed artecoll.
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my phone at the office Megan is (310) 736-2818

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Since 2006 I have warned people about Artecoll,Artefill and Artesense. In 2007 in the Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB118834446251311594-lMyQ...) I did an article about the disastrous nature of agent and since then am no longer invited to speak at medical meetings. The true sadness of the control of medicine by the greed of doctors and Big Pharma is the patients end up scarred. Industry has accomplished the approval of synthetic agents which should have never reached the market. Once injected under skin the body cannot digest these agents and the immune system walls them off with resultant formation of nodules, which at times require surgical removal. One such product that was approved was Artefill® or Artecoll. This product is polymethylmethacrylate or which is injectable Plexiglas beads. This product has long been associated in the worldwide dermatologic literature with scarring, and disfigurement only amenable to correction by surgery. At present, Artecoll, the predecessor of Artefill, is no longer available in Europe or Canada. In 2003, the American Society of Dermatologic Surgery newsletter 'Currents" promoted the use of Artefill to fellow dermatologists. Physicians in this Newsletter encouraged and promoted the use of this agent. It was later revealed that at least one of these physicians had been given a large amount of stock (35,000 shares) by the manufacturer, which was not publicly revealed.

We knew from the experience of Artecoll in Canada that pharmaceutical companies cannot be relied upon to report adverse events to authorities, yet the FDA claims that it can evaluate adverse reactions by relying on doctors and "Big Pharma" to report these directly to the FDA. Furthermore, merely changing the name of the product (e.g. Artecoll to Artefill) doesn't change the history or adverse experiences of the past. In the literature, consultants have used the names interchangeably. Furthermore, if Artefill is new and improved, how can one gain FDA approval of Artefill and Artesense by studying Artecoll. The only good news is that I have begun to treat adverse reactions to these products with injectable 5FU combined with Kenalog with very promising results. I will keep you posted.!
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Thank you Dr. Klein. No way of removing the filler once it is in?
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Also, why cant I find much information about Artesense? Did this product come before or after Artecoll and Artefill?
Thank you so much for taking the time to guide us Dr. Klein. I would like to come visit you and see what you could do for my case. Is there a place where I could send you a picture?
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