Walnut Creek Fraxel Laser doctors
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Jerome Potozkin, MD
Walnut Creek Dermatologic Surgeon
600 San Ramon Valley Blvd Suite 102, Danville |
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M. Christine Lee, MD
Walnut Creek Dermatologic Surgeon
1479 Ygnacio Valley Rd. Suite 209 , Walnut Creek |
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Daniel Wall, MD
Walnut Creek Dermatologist
110 La Casa Via Ste 205, Walnut Creek |
Recent Answers
Hi. I have a question regarding Acne Scars. I have undergone six sessions of Fraxel Refine to minimize or make my scars disappear, which did not happen. The practitioner who did the procedure suggested Fraxel Repair but couldn't assure me that it'll work on my face. I was wondering how good of an improvement can you get out of Fraxel Repair. Will I see a huge difference? Thank you.
What concerns me is your use of the word "disappear". No one should ever tell you that any procedure, no matter how many you do, will cause your scars to "disappear".
The problem with acne scars is that no matter what you do they will never be 100% gone. You could do 20 Fraxel treatments and your scars wouldn't be 100% gone. It's true that the more treatments you do, the better the results but there is a law of diminishing returns and for acne scars it's more a logarithmic curve--at some point, you do not get back as much as you put in and eventually the results just level out and don't keep getting significantly better. The reason is that acne scars are holes or defects in the skin--the laser cannot remove the hole, the best it can do is to soften the shoulders of the hole so the drop-off isn't so apparent. That's why fillers often work better than lasers on deep crater scars because they plump up the depression but it's very difficult to treat every scar on the face with fillers. It's also very cost prohibitive to use temporary fillers because they have to constantly be redone to maintain the results. A permanent filler such as Artefill might be appropriate for certain deep depressions or crater scars. However, acne scarring has 4 types: ice-pick, box car, rolling, and hypertrophic. Each type of scar has to be addressed in a different way. In addition, most people are more bothered by the discolorations than the actual depressions themselves.
Now, if you're going to invest in a procedure, you need to know what to expect from all the different procedures and the options are wide and bewildering. Noninvasive lasers such as KTP, Nd:YAG, pulsed dye, alexandrite, ruby, and IPL can address red and brown discolorations. This can make the acne scars look significantly better without having to go thru the downtime and hassel of the invasive or ablative procedures.
In order to achieve textural improvement, one must turn to resurfacing procedures (which require some downtime, some less than others). Dermabrasion and phenol peels are actually quite effective but have the downside of making the skin texture appear unnatural or waxy, and high risk of loss of pigmentation (hypopigmentation).
CO2 laser is the gold standard, most painful and invasive laser, but achieves the best results. It is home-run for wrinkles but not so for acne scars. At best, one may achieve on average 50-60% improvement after one CO2 laser. That means there may be some scars (especially the deep pitted or ice-pick scars or box car or crater scars that do not respond at all).
Fractional CO2 laser has become a new gold standard for acne scarring but once again, not a home-run. There are many different brands of fractional CO2 and they differ in the amount of energy, therefore effectiveness. The Lumenis ActiveFX and DeepFX are the most powerful of the fractional CO2 lasers and capable of achieving the best results. The Repair is less powerful than the ActiveFX and DeepFX. The ActiveFX and DeepFX have the ability to be turned down to match the weakest of the fractional CO2 lasers--but the converse is not true--the other fractional CO2 lasers cannot be turned up to match the ActiveFX and DeepFX. (ie: A Ferrari can be driven at the speed of a golf cart, but a golf cart cannot be driven at the speed of a Ferrari). The CORE and Mixto lasers are also less powerful and less effective.
Having said that, even the best fractional CO2 laser only gives about 20-30% improvement per treatment if combining both ActiveFX and DeepFX together. After 3 treatments of both, one can get about 50-60% improvement of their acne scars. Doing more can give incrementally better results but at some point, one has to ask if it's really worth paying more money especially if doing even 6 more is not going to get you to 100%.
Fractionated Erbium lasers such as the Fraxel Restore or Refine or Pearl or Profractional or Affirm are even less effective than the fractional CO2 lasers so you would have to do many more treatments to even get decent results.
Refine is the weakest of the fractional lasers--it was designed for use by nonskilled practitioners in order for them to not "get in trouble". Unfortunately the lower power also makes the results from Refine almost not noticeable. The Refine is MUCH weaker than the Repair so it's possible that you may get better results with the Repair...but not a lot better. You will not see a "huge" difference.
Most patients can be quite happy with any of these procedures as long as the physician properly helps to establish the right expectation level. The question is always whether the results are worth the money and time you're investing. There is no perfect procedure unfortunately that will make your acne scars completely gone. If someone asked me what the one best procedure to do is to get the best results for their acne scarring: if discolorations are the primary issue, the best would be noninvasive lasers such as KTP and Nd:YAG, and IPL. If the issue is textural irregularity such as depressions, I would say the one best laser is DeepFX, and if someone could afford it, to combine DeepFX with ActiveFX. And then to follow up with fillers to the residual crater scars.
I am considering both fraxel restore and repair - i have melasma and sunspots, but also "white spots" - is either good for these? Also, the consultant at the dermatology spa told me if I did Fraxel repair (as opposed to restoree), my face would be like raw hamburger for a week, which of course terrified me. But perhaps she is just being honest...
I would look at laser treatments as a last resort for treating Melasma. Melasma represents overactivity of the pigment producing cells so it is not as simple as "zapping" off a brown spot. I have found the Fraxel Restore to be helpful for some patients. Some patients will actually find that their Melasma might get worse with any laser or light based treatment so a small test spot might be a good idea. I would exhaust treatments with topical hydroquinone, retinoids, and light peeling agents prior to using any laser or light based device.
What's the different between mini-fraxel and full -fraxel?
This is a new one to me. There is no laser named the Mini or Full Fraxel. You might be referring to the Fraxel Restore which is a non-ablative laser versus the Fraxel Repair which is an ablative laser. The Fraxel Restore treatments are usually performed in a series of 4-6 treatments waiting a month in between whereas the Repair is a single treatment with about a week of downtime. On the other hand you could be referring to Mini as treating a small area with Full treating a large area.


