New skin resurfacing technology: ActiveFX laser

Beauty in Seattle on 15 Jul 2006 at 5:34pm

FraxelI just coerced my friend Denise to writeup her positive Fraxel laser results which inspired me to investigate new facial resurfacing and skin renewal options. In this research I ran across a new "fractional" laser system called ActiveFX.

Sounds very similar to Fraxel (See Fraxel laser reviews on RealSelf), where a laser is used to stimulate collagen growth.

In the press release about ActiveFX, they feature a provider of the treatment, Dr. James Heinrich, an Orange Country facial plastic surgeon.  Dr. Heinrich refers to his findings that your entire face can be treated in 30 minutes but the downtime is meaningful: 4 days. Takes more than 4 or 5 sessions. {Update: Company states takes 1 session}

Intriguing bit about the long-term effectiveness. The doctor states that "With proper care to avoid the harmful effects of sunlight, the improvement can last for several years." Not sure how he knows this with such a new technology but perhaps he can estimate the duration of effects based on how much new collagen growth is stimulated by the Active FX sessions. Pure speculation.

If you've undergone ActiveFX skin treatment sessions, please do share your experience (especially if it was a year ago!). In the meantime, here's a before & after picture sent to me by lumenis.

See ActiveFX treatment reviews here

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TNSA (1 post) 25 Jul 2006
Time of treatment, 3 day downtime, great results...wow!
Beauty in Seattle (16 posts) 28 Jul 2006

Wow, when I say the company gave me feedback, did they ever! :-0

I haven't had the time to digest it all, but if you have comments or additional questions, I can pass them over to the ActiveFX folks ~Lisa

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From Lumenis:

First, let me give you a little background on ActiveFX.
1. The procedure uses the 10,600nm wavelength which is considered by dermatologists and plastic surgeons to be the "gold standard" for removing wrinkles, dyschromia, etc

2. In the past, systems using this wavelength provided excellent results -- but the down-time was prolonged (as much as 6-8 weeks before make-up can be applied!)

3. Consumers wanted noticeable effects with minimal downtime.

  • We did months of work to identify the correct wavelength, settings, etc.
  • We found that the ideal laser would need to ablate the top layers of the skin and also simultaneously provide heat to the lower layers.
  • The ablation causes immediate contraction of wrinkles and loose skin (up to 30%) and also removes any pigmentation problems.
  • The heat causes new collagen promotion -- which serves to plump up from below AND to re-build the skin's scaffolding to prevent future wrinkles.
  • However, if you go TOO deep, you can get dermal scarring or dimples from fat atrophy -- both of which are long-lasting (if not permanent) side effects.

4. Guess what... we already had something close! But, we needed to completely change the settings, the spot size, and other things.

  • We reduced the spot size so that we don't have as much collateral heat. This is important to reduce the redness and swelling so that we have a fast recovery
  • The system uses a Computerized Pattern Generator (CPG) to place up to 600 of these tiny dots in a second! However, we wanted to make sure that none of these dots were placed side-by-side in a sequential manner. If we do, having several small dots placed nearly-simultaneously is almost as bad as one big dot. So, we made the computer program to put the dots in a non-sequential manner (called CoolScan) so that each individual tiny dot cools off before the one next to it is placed. Again, this is to reduce erythema, edema, etc
  • We found that the dots should be spread out so that they never touch each other. This means that we leave little "bridges" of healthy, untouched skin between the tiny dots. This "fractional" technique (a fraction of the surface is treated instead of 100%) also really speeds up the re-epithelialization and healing process.
  • We took several more months to study the energy settings. In the end, we came up with settings that are JUST enough to vaporize/ablate (shrinkage and remove damaged skin) AND enough to provide some heat in the dermis (new collagen) without giving us a long downtime or dermal side effects.

5. All of these things added together give us consistent, reproducible results! We say "ActiveFX is for people with ACTIVE lifestyle who want noticeable EFFECTS -- dramatic improvement in Tone, Texture and Tightening -- all in a single treatment!" It is really incredible to watch a procedure -- you can see the skin "shrink-wrap" before your eyes!

OK, so now (finally) to your question about Fraxel.


1. Both ActiveFX and Fraxel use "fractional" coverage. Fraxel covers about 20% and ActiveFX covers about 80%. The studies we did showed that we got VERY consistent results with 80% (less coverage had too little results on some patients and more caused too much down-time). While 20% will reduce down-time, it also required multiple procedures or you have diminished results.

 

2. If one has an "aggressive" treatment with Fraxel (to try to eliminate the need to go back and forth to the doctor for multiple procedures), the Fraxel brochures indicate that down-time is 14-20 days! Let's ignore the "subtle" results that you would get and focus on down-time. With ActiveFX, you get VERY noticeable results with downtime much less than a week. In fact, most people can put make-up on in 3-4 days and ALL pinkness is gone in less than a week. Now let's consider the PAIN associated with an aggressive Fraxel treatment: with ActiveFX, most people have little/no pain and can drive themselves home!

 

3. Fraxel uses NON-ablative technology. Without ablation, there is no immediate contracture. And, it takes a long time for dyschromia to diminish -- immediate with ActiveFX. (Do you remember the old CoolTouch system? It used a 1320nm wavelength to try to reduce wrinkles -- this is a very similar wavelength to Fraxel. That system has basically died now -- no noticeable results despite multiple treatments!)

 

4. According to their Physician Guide, Fraxel's heat penetrates to 900microns. The eyelid's epidermis + dermis is only about 300microns thick. Therefore, can you safely use that system there? That is why their documentation and photos never show treatment within the orbital rim. However, the ActiveFX procedure is impressive on the eyelids, especially when you consider that this is a single treatment with minimal downtime

 

5. One final point is the consumable cost of Fraxel. They have to apply and remove the OptiGuide Blue gel -- which is really a minor cost. The big expense is the $400 tip. If the cost to the doctor is $400, then what must be the cost to the patient?!? The ActiveFX has no consumable costs!

guest (unregistered guest) 12 Sep 2006
This is a very one-sided and deceptive statement directly from the company. Of course they are going to tell you theirs is the best laser, just like every other company will do. You really need to do yourself a favor and get physicians' opinions on both of these technologies because it is widely agreed that Fraxel blows away ActiveFx in results with minimal downtime (I have zero idea where this guy got the 14-20 days of downtime info on the Fraxel. That is an outright lie. The Fraxel brochure sitting right in front of me states you may have swelling for 2-3 days and have a pinkish tone for 5-7 days. You can put on make-up almost immediately post-treatment!). I attend numerous laser workshops attended by the top dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons in the nation, and Fraxel is the most talked-about laser in the marketplace today. The results are very predictable and consistent, and patients love it. It can be performed on any skin type, anywhere on the body. Nobody, and I mean nobody, even mentions ActiveFx in their laser lectures because it is not considered a player in the marketplace. Lumenis makes a good laser, don't get me wrong. However, ActiveFx is not one of them. They overpromised and underdelivered on this one. A few rebuttals to their misleading info... Fraxel covers 20% of the skin and does require multiple treatments. ActiveFx covers 80%...Is this REALLY fractional? Why not just get crazy and do 100%?? Theirs is very superficial. Fraxel covers 20% of the skin because it penetrates very deeply for certain conditions. The fractional delivery allows the skin to heal rapidly, with significant results. Don't confuse the percentage of coverage with results. On to depth of penetration...Fraxel can penetrate over 1mm deep. This is deeper than any other laser on the market, and where collagen reforms and rebundles. This is critical for acne scar improvement and deep wrinkle improvement. There are countless superficial treatments like ActiveFx that will give you mild reduction of wrinkles and photodamage. There is only one Fraxel. The Fraxel has numerous depth settings and it can also go as lightly as less than 300 microns deep. It is safe and very effective around the eyes, contrary to what the previous answer states. Cost...the Fraxel treatments cost approximately $1000 per treatment for a full face resurfacing. Why so much?? Because it works amazingly. Ask any patient who has had the treatment done. It has been available now for 2+ years, with hundreds of thousands of successful treatments performed. The tips cost the physician $400 each. If you were to listen to the misinformation previously offered to you, you would think the $400 cost was per treatment...Wrong, the tips last four full-face treatments, with a net cost to the office of $100 each full-face, a far cry from the $400 implied. As I already stated, do not rely on the information given by the laser companies. Talk to the physicians who perform these procedures and the patients who have had them. Better yet, find doctors who own both technologies and ask them which one is best. I am certain Fraxel will be the favorite, hands-down.
joeseph (unregistered guest) 16 Feb 2007
Fraxel is an ERBIUM laser !!!!! It is not CO2 which is the gold standard. Ask any plastics or derm. Fraxel is now coming out with CO2 next year 2008. No wonder - Erbium sucks. Dr. Joe
marta ward (unregistered guest) 18 Mar 2008
Hi..well I have had 5 treatments with Fraxel (and a friend had the same)and we BOTH had very poor results..maybe even NONE. For an almost $9,000 procedure it was incredibly disappointing. I also had facial swelling to such a degree that I had to cancel patients the next week. I'll let you know about Active FX..my next foray into wrinkle removal. Marta
joyce williams (1 post) 27 Apr 2008
I also had fraxel done a few years ago & I had no results at all. I was thinking about trying the Active FX. Have you tried it yet & if so are you satisfied with the results?
Happy (unregistered guest) 13 Feb 2007
I just has the ActiveFX procedure done yesterday. I have acne scars and just from yesterday I can tell a BIG difference! My Dermatologist was testing different lasers and I was invited to be used for the demo for ActiveFX. I was initially interested in the Fraxel but after my Dermatologist tested it she was very disappointed. She said the fraxel was more painful and other less painful lasers produced the same results. We were all very pleased with the ActiveFX so far. I'm hoping for great results and so far things are looking great!
JL (unregistered guest) 20 Dec 2007
Happy, Are your acne scars now gone? Are you still happy with Active FX? I have the same problem as your....acne scares. I'm thinking of scheduling my apt. for the Active FX laser treatment next week. Any insight from you would be greatly appreciated. JL
renata g (2 posts) 1 May 2008
Hi there: I had ActiveFx done 4 days ago and also due to acne. Can you please share your experience with me as to the improvements you had since the treatment? Did you get the results you expected and/or promissed? My biggest concern right now is about all the small brown dots I have all over my face on top of being bright red. I am on my forth day and sitll not peeling. Did you have dark brown spots all ove your face too? If so, how long did it take for them to go away? I have a meeting with a very important client next Wednesday and I am horrified these brown dots will not desaper by then and that I will not be able to wear make up. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing from you
cindy wang (unregistered guest) 27 Jun 2007
i have just completed a treatment one week ago, still little red. Amazing !!!!! i did 5 fraxel treatments last year which was OK. this is awesome.....
a2 (1 post) 1 Nov 2007
Cindy, It's been 4 months now since your active fx treatment. Are you still happy with the result? What were you trying to correct with the procedure? Any advice for someone considering the treatment? I am looking for a treatment that will offer noticeable results for age spots and sagging skin. Thanks, A2 (Ann Arbor, MI)
terry (unregistered guest) 22 Apr 2008
I AM CONSIDERING ACTIVE FX DID IT TIGHTEN THE SKIN AND NECK
Tom (unregistered guest) 9 Aug 2007
Lynn - I moved your ActiveFX question to our message board and ActiveFX vs. Fraxel discussion. Thank you for the question and I hope we find you an answer --tom, RealSelf.com
Vicky (unregistered guest) 22 Aug 2007
I am interested in ActiveFX and would like to know what the cost range is. Would someone mind sharing that info with me? Thanks!
Cassiegal (5 posts) 23 Nov 2007
Hi Vicky, I am sure that you have your answer by now but mine ended up costing me a total of $2600 which included a facility fee and a $200 'kit' of necessities. See my other comments on November 23rd. Good luck. Lin
Carla Taylor (unregistered guest) 15 Jan 2009
The cost of treatment runs around $3,000.00. The cost may vary depending on place and surgeon.
DetroitDerek (unregistered guest) 8 Sep 2007
My wife recently had the Activefx procedure. We have experienced WAY more problems with this than we originally thought culd ever happen including ( but certaiinly not limited to) severe redness 3 WEEKS AFTER the procedure and a staff ( sorry about the spelling ) infection in her face. We have not yet determined what exactly will make the redness go away. We started with Aquaphor, went to Biafine, Vaseline, Bionect, and Eucerin Redness relief ( as well as 2 prescriptions whose name I cannot recall ). After 5 visits back to the doctor ( and we almost went to the emergency Room as one of my wife's eyes almost swelled shut ) ad numerous tests, I would be very open to suggestions on how to get rid of this redness. We followed the stated recovery procedures ( icing 20 minutes on, etc. ) - the doctor has since stated that he "may" have had the laser on too high. My wife is, as you can imagine, extremely distraught over this.
sherri sava (unregistered guest) 6 Mar 2008
I am having the same issues your wife has. I am three weeks post op tommorrow, had max fx, was turned up very high. I am almost as red today as 2 weeks ago. I work in the healthcare field and never thought I'd be working 3 weeks out with my face almost like a red mask and the peeling is constant. I'm going to work and then pretty much come home and do my obagi skin set exactly how they have directed. I have what they term post inflammatory hyperpigmentation, due to my genetics.
Allen (unregistered guest) 24 Mar 2008
I'm almost certain that what you experienced was a histamine reaction. I can get that in a suntan booth if I haven't had sun in a while. If it happens, it takes a very long time for the swelling and redness to go away. It could be from a rare reaction to one of the topical ointments.
Maryann234 (unregistered guest) 17 Apr 2008
Can you tell us where you went? I am considering this procedure and want to find someone reliable.
Ali O'Connor (unregistered guest) 14 Sep 2007
I had just undergone the ActiveFX two days ago. My face is very red and I have brown dots on some areas of my face. I am worried about the brown dots. I do not know whether it is burnt skin or Post-Inflammatory hyperpigmentation (PIH). Would really really appreciate your help on this matter!!
jaclina (8 posts) 21 Nov 2007
I had the Active Fx laser done in April of 2007, and afterwards did get some pigmentation which my doctor put me on the Obaji system. You can have your doctor prescribe you a Hydroquinion cream to bleach the areas and tons of sunblock and stay out of the sun if possible.
Cassiegal (5 posts) 23 Nov 2007
Hi Ali, I had the Active FX done this past Monday and my face is beet red and sore. Although I do not know what the brown dots are, I had them and they wash away very soon. The redness is still with me but I think in a few more days, I will be back to a normal skin color.:) Hang in. Lin
jaclina (8 posts) 19 Dec 2007
When I had the Active Fx laser (for acne scars) earlier this year, about a month later a developed post hyperpigmantation. I was so distraught about this. My doctor told me that its not very common, but it would be gone with a hydroquinione cream. He put me on the Obagi skin system and it went away. I just got another Active FX and have the Obagi and will defeiently stay out of the sun. This was the main reason for why got the brown spots. Two weeks after my laser I was out side in the sun. Ask your doctor prescibe you a hydroquinone cream. Goodluck!
JL (unregistered guest) 20 Dec 2007
Jaclina, Did your ance scars disappear with the Active FX laser treatment? JL

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