After babies and i guess aging :( my breasts sag more than i'd like. is breast lift or plastic surgery my only option for getting them perked up again?
I'm not talking about adding or taking away anything from my breasts..I just want a lift. Can someone tell me what is the average price for a...
I recently had breast lift and implants (200 cc, 1 cup size bigger, age 26 no kids) 2 weeks ago, and my nipples look like something out of a child's...
I am 21 years old, 135lbs, no pregnancies. I am very unhappy with the look and shape of my areolas. I want a smaller more youthful look, but would...
I'm sort of on the verge of needing a breast lift and wondering if the scars are not worth the trade-off... what kind of incisions or techniques leave...
I went in for an uplift on my size 36 g breast and have come out a 36 D, i am traumatised by the whole operation and very upset at being so small.
I...
I'm happy with the size of my breasts, but they could definitely be perkier. Can I get a breast lift without implants?
Do I need to have a combination of both to acheive a lifted breast? Or if I do the breast reduction, will that give me a lift in my breasts?
I am 21 years old, 130 lbs, no pregnancies. I hate the shape and size of my breasts. I want a more youthful appearance and bigger size but I am scared...
A month after breast lift (w/nipple reconstruction) and
Long wanted to get a breast lift - mastopexy - but worried I'll spend thousands and end up with the same saggy breasts i started with. Am i...
I had a breast lift and augmentation 2 weeks ago under the muscles. On one side, I am having a searing, burning pain in 2 different places. I know...
I want to get a breast lift. In my first consultation with a cosmetic surgeon he said my breast may lose 15% of volume because of skin removed....
All of the I have seen on this site show that the women have huge, long scars afterward. I want a breast lift but I don't want huge scars! Is...
I lost about 100 pounds naturally and i'm happy about that but now ive noticed that the skin on my breasts is loose is there an exercise that can help...
How long after pregnancy should I wait before I can get breast implants and undergo breast lift?
I need a Breast lift and augmentation, I have way way over-sized areolas (more than 2 inches in diameter). My nipples are VERY shy, nearly inverted. I...
Where should my breast be in relation to my arms. Had Lift 1 month ago, don't sag as much as they did, but told PS I wanted to be able not to wear if...
I have Saline breast implants that are now ten years old. They were beautifully done and look natural, although the doctor went bigger than I had...
I want to get breast implants, nothing to big but maybe a full c cup right now i am a b cup. I was told i need a full breat lift. Is this my only option?
I had a Breast Lift over a year ago while my husband was in Iraq, and was told I won't need a Breast Augmentation. I was a 36DD and am now a 36D, and...
I am interested in having a breast lift. Currently I'm a 34DD, and happy with the fullness and amount of breast tissue that I have. I don't feel that...
I am 3 1/2 months post op from a breast lift and augmentation. My left breast is fabulous but my right one is still very high. I've been massaging but...
I have sagging boobs and want to know what treatment is available. I don't want to do cosmetic surgery.
My breast have always been 'ugly' but after breastfeeding I have finally decided to get a Lift and Augmentation... What is the normal cost and how do...
I had a Tummy Tuck and Breast Lift 2 weeks ago. How long will it take before the stitches dissolve?
I am considering a Breast Lift and I am researching my options and I'm not sure if understand the difference or the benefits/downsides of these...
I have 10-year-old saline breast implants that have become too heavy and started to sag. How much does breast lift and implant replacement usually cost?
I had breast lift and breast implants 16 days ago through areolar incision. My right side is great, but my left is still swollen and hurts a bit. Is...
Can you reshape your own breasts through weight lifting vs. getting plastic surgery?
I have been advised that I have substantial breast sagging, (26 cm). 3 doctors I saw only recommended Lollipop whereas one surgeon told me I can have...
What type and size of breast implant should I get? Do I need to get a breast lift with my implants? My goal is to have similar looking symmetrical...
I'm four weeks post-op. My breast has been leaking moderately for appprox 3 weeks. Am I lactating, or is this post-op discharge? Should I be worried?
I finally had a Breast lift and Breast augmentation this Jan. I have 2 kids, 34, 5'7", 160lbs, 38C prior to surgery. I had 550cc Mentor round,...
My breasts are very saggy for my age. I just turned 20, and I was wondering if there is any way to lift them without surgery. I am a 32D.
What does the cosmetic surgery term mastopexy mean? What type of surgery is a mastopexy (what does it correct)?
I am almost done with nursing my twins babies (halleluia!). It has taken quite a toll and I would like to get a breast lift, but I am wondering...
I had Breast Lift surgery done about 3 months ago. The scars are doing good and I can hardly see them, but I developed some brown spots on the side of...
After having Breast implants and breast lift, would you recommend using a sleep bra for extra support? Is so, do you recommend a particular one?
I had an anchor type breast lift 2 1/2 months ago. Sometimes there's no discomfort at all, sometimes extreme itching (especially around the nipples)...
I'm a healthy 27 year old. I've been to a consultation with a local Dr. and I'm considering a Breast lift/Breast implants. However, I want to...
I recently had a full Tummy Tuck, and I also had a mastopexy with augmentation done at the same time, due to 125lb weight loss. Now, I have a knot...
I currently have 350 HP breast implants, but I had a baby and the now sag. My nipple is just above the crease and I have about 1-2 inches of breast...
I had a Breast lift 18 months ago (doughnut incision). The shape and feel of my breasts are okay, but the surgery left me with deep wrinkles around...
I am 23 years old and a 36DD. I had my daughter 6 months ago. My breasts are sagging, but not too bad. I am wanting to get a lift and implants and...
I just had implants a week ago. I had a circumareolar lift and implants. I wanted my nipples moved, but they don't really seem to be moved. My implant...
I had Ultrasonic Liposuction 3 & 1/2 weeks ago in my mid-section, back, arms, and inner thighs. I also had a butt lift, breast reduction, and...
I'm having a Tummy Tuck, Breast lift and augmentation in a few months. What type of clothes can I wear after? Many people say that because of the...
I had a consultation today for a breast lift with implant. I really do not want that long verticle scar that accompanies most breast lifts. The...
I am considering laser to remove my breast lift scars. How long after surgery should I wait?
I am considering a breast augmentation. I have always been a decent C cup, but in the last year, I have lost approx. 35 lbs, and it has left my...
I'm a 42-year old personal trainer who lifts weights heavily and on a regular basis. I've given birth to and nursed four wonderful children- the...
I'm interested in getting a Breast lift and areola reduction. Are these procedures usually done together? Would I have scars or lose sensation in the...
I am a 36 yr old mom of 2, currently a D cup and happy with my size. My beasts are saggy and have lost all upper volume. My nipples don't...
I have successfully breastfed 4 children in the past. Two years ago I had a breast lift and augmentation. Now, I am unexpectedly expecting and would...
I'm going to have a breast lift as well as implants. My surgeon suggests 200cc implants while my current size is 32DD/E, but i lack volume. In...
I had a breast lift and augmentation, 400cc implants which is what I was before weight loss. Now, I have one high breast and one very low. I'm left...
I'm 23 years old with no children, but my breasts sag as if I had already given birth. Is it okay for me to have a breast lift even though I am...
Today is my 22nd day post-op from a full Tummy Tuck and Breast Lift. Five days ago, I bent over and seemed to pull something. Right afterwards I felt...
I am 21 years old, and I have had a breast lift with breast augmentation four days ago. My recovery has been pretty easy actually, my only concern is...
I had a Breast Lift 2 years ago, and the scar is raised and red. What can be done for this scar? Thank you for your time.
I am seeking medical opinions of a breast lift upon removal of implants, without replacement. I have 300cc, textured, anatomical, submuscular saline...
How does an anchor breast lift scar feel like? Is it normally a raised scar?
My breasts were sagging and I was a 34 B so decided to have surgery. It's been 2 weeks since I had Breast Lift and Augmentation (255 cc) combined with...
I had my large breast implants replaced 4 days ago with smaller ones. I also had a breast lift. Today, I lifted too much and probably used my arms...
I have mild breast asymmetry, 1 cm to be exact. I have 2 different opinions from 2 different doctors. One wants to do a crescent breast lift with...
Can a Crescent/Circumaerolar/Semi-areolar breast lift be performed without breast implants? And how will it affect breast size? I've often heard...
Are there any doctors in the Boston, New York area that have studied with the doctor who created the Stevens laser bra breast lift technique and...
I had a breast augmentation over a year ago. I was an A cup, and got a moderate silicone 225cc. I'm very petite, so I didn't want to go that big. I...
More magazine has an story: "New help for 'pancake' breasts, which states women with deflated breasts after pregnancy or weight losss can get an...
I have no plans to breastfeed and won't be having another pregnancy.
I have large breast and after having my kids it sag down. When I take my bra off I feel my breast weighting me down. When I have a bra on The weight...
Hi, I am a size A and nursed 2 children. My breasts did shrink but during pregnancy and nursing, they grew larger than a DD. Now my size A breasts...
I am considering a Breast Lift (and augmentation) and a Tummy Tuck. I am very active and in good overall shape. I have 2 children one is 3 and one is...
Is there any cream to lift the breast? I workout and that's the reason my boobs got very loose. Should I leave the gym or is there a cream I can apply...
My wife is 8 days postop and is experiencing significant left breast pain. Pain comes and goes and is described as stabbing burning sensation. Drugs...
I had a breast reduction and lift back in Mid February. And i've always slep on my stomach. Is it okay to do so, after my surgery. If so, when?? Thanks.
At what point do you know if you need a breast lift vs breast implants (or both)?
Do I need Breast lift again? Will Breast augmentation help keep the girls standing upright? I am considering Breast augmentation and lift. I had a...
Are there other options than the typical lollipop scar for breast lift?
I have been diagnosed with tuberous breasts and it was recommended I get a lift on one side, because one of my nipples hangs lower than the other....
I recently had implant exchange. I also had a capsular contraction in one breast. Before the surgery, my breasts were sloped, but not hanging. After...
I want a breast lift very badly and am looking for an accredited doctor in Chicago.
I am thinking of having both Breast Lift and Brazillian Butt Lift done by the same doctor. Can anyone recommend to me a good doctor in Dallas who can...
I am 25 years old and have had large, severely sagging, pendulous breasts since puberty. I considered a Breast reduction in the past, but decided...
Are there any procedures like skin grafts for correcting breast augmentation scars? I got implants a year ago, and my doctor did a crescent lift. The...
I'm thinking of getting a breast lift since I have lost 55 lbs. and breastfed 4 kids. My breasts have gone from a 40H to 34C and I don't want any...
How much time needs to pass to be sure I wont split my incisions after my Breast Lift? I have an anchor-shaped incision. At 8 days post op, the doctor...
I had breast implant replacement and breast lift done a week ago. I have cellulitis in the left breast. It is very painful red and swollen. I don't...
I had breast lift and implants done in 2006 after massive weight loss. I asked to be a perky full C to a small D. I ended up being a not perky 34DD!...
I am considering a peri-areolar breast lift w/ breast implants and have read various pros (less invasive, less visible scarring) and cons (scar...
What happens if you can't fully pay for the Breast lift. Can you make a plan to pay the bill bit by bit till you complete it?
I will be having a tummy tuck and with that, they will be fixing a hernia along with implants and a lift. I have a 3 year old and a 6 month old....
What is the recovery like doing a Tummy tuck and Breast lift at the same time? Should i do them together or two seperate surgeries?
On the day of my surgery, I will be smoke-free for 12 days (cold turkey). Is that long enough for a successful breast implant and breast lift surgery...
I am 34 years old, 5'5" tall at 128lbs, with 36B breast size. I would like a full C-D range post breast lift and breast augmentation. It is...
I am a 28 yr old mom of three. I breast fed all of my children one of them two years! I also lost 30 lbs in 6 months. Since then my usual 34DD breasts...
I got a quote of 13,000 for implants, a lift and fixing of some scar tissue on my right breast due to two lumpectomy's. I'm going to have both breasts...
Can a breast lift create upper breast roundness, and if not, is there a way to also have an implant without augmenting breast size? I want a round,...
Is there any way to minimize the horizontal incision after an anchor style Mastopexy? I'm very unhappy with this scar and I wasn't expecting such a...
If a breast lift is done in addition to a breast implant, will there be a visibile demarcation between natural breast and implant?
I see many photos of underarm incision for breast implants, and the implant placement looks oddly high and often misplaced. Also, many surgeons won't...
My doctor told me that he doesn't feel comfortable doing those Benelli Lift with breast implants at once. He would do one or the other. But what if I...
I'm very interested in the SPAIR technique for breast lift. I'm wondering does anyone know a doctor in the Chicago area who is experienced using this...
I am 18 years old and I am a size 34G (or a DDD). Honestly, I don’t want a reduction. It’s not for "attention", I just feel like...
I had breast lift and implants 3 weeks ago. My right breast was bigger before surgery, but surgeon said he would rectify that with the lift and put...
I am just discovering the 'new' option for enhancing the appearance of sagging breasts. A breast lift combined with an 'auto augmentation' sounds like...
If I choose to get breast implants, then a few years later I decide to try to breast feed, would I need to get another surgery, possibly a breast...
It has been 30 days since I had Tummy Tuck and Breast Lift. What types of exercise are safe for me to do?
Do you think there are better sutures aside from Vicryl to use for an anchor mastopexy? Why or why not? What are the benefits of some of the common...
I had my Breast implants removed almost two weeks ago and a Breast lift was done at the same time.I have a serious infection that has not cleared up....
I had a Breast augmentation with lift a year ago this month. I also had a Breast lift revision this March. I hate how far apart they are and I want to...
I have stretch marks, some freckles/brown, spots/wrinkles after having my son, and would like to do something less invasive than Breast Lift.
Hello, I have lost over 150lbs. and went from a 44D to a 36 barely B cup. I had two consultations where both surgeons have recommended 500cc breast...
Will they settle and become more even or is this how they will remain?
I have never had kids, if I had a Breast lift with Breast implants, and then get pregnant, would I need to get another Breast lift?
Why would my plastic surgery recommend a re-lift only 6 months after my original Breast lift surgery? Isn't that too soon? Could there be a...
I need a breast lift and am concerned about the type of breast implant I should have. I am a full C and have laxity from weight loss. I only want to...
I have been trying to have my size 38F breast lifted for quite a while now and each surgeon that I have consulted has recommended a Breast reduction....
I need Tummy tuck and Breast lift/Breast augmentation after losing a lot of weight. Which procedure is best to have first, Tummy tuck or Breast...
I am planning on taking a month off work to have a Tummy Tuck and a breast lift with breast implants. Is that enough time off work if I'm a hair stylist?
I am happy with the size of my breasts, but not the droopiness. I feel like I would benefit from a Breast lift. It seems that from the before and...
I had silicone implants with a breast lift one week ago. I had my 15 year old saline implants removed and a small amount of capsular contraction...
Is there a type of an absorbable suture that leaves less visible scarring for anchor Mastopexy?
I had Breast implants 7 years ago. After having 2 children, they are way bigger than I want them to be. Is it possible to have a Breast lift and make...
I am researching about Breast lift (Mastopexy) and Nipple reduction. I have had 2 children, and breast fed both. However, we are contemplating on...
More detailed, is there a pill or exercises for it? I would like to try natural ways to lift my breast. I'm a size 36C and I find my breasts okay, but...
I'm having a crescent Breast lift and subglandular implants. Which is type of implant is better that would give me a more natural look?
I am going to have a tummy tuck, breast lift, and breast augmentation done at the same time with a board-certified doctor in Mexico. He says he can...
I'm considering getting Rhinoplasty (just tip work), Breast implants, inner Thigh lift and Liposuction to the flanks/mid-section. I'd like to save...
I am currently a 36DD with 425 high profile filled to 480cc's. I had staged breast lift and augmentation. I want to go with much smaller implants and...
I am scheduled to have breast augmentation and a mastopexy. I have a high tolerance to pain medication due to chronic muscle pain and I am nervous...
Is it safe to have breast lift with breast implants exchange and Tummy Tuck at once?
I am 5'6" approximately 168 pounds, my breasts are large (about 36 DD), they are fairly full, but due to the heaviness, I have ptosis. I am not...
I had my breasts lifted and augmented in February of last year. I fell pregnant in August and had my son 9 weeks ago. After surgery, all was fine for...
I want a breast lift and breast implants, but do not want the vertical scar. I want only the scar under the breast like you get for implants. Is this...
I need a breast lift, but I also want round breast shape after surgery. Do I need lift and breast implants to achieve this?
I'm interested in a breast lift but I don't think it's severe enough for insurance to cover it, nor do I want to try and use my insurance for that....
Can anyone give me an estimation of fee for a Breast lift on 6-year-old cup C Breast implants?
I had a breast lift without implants twelve days ago to correct tuberous breasts that had lost almost all shape due to a 70-pound weight loss. They...
I am having a modified breast lift with breast implants next Wednesday. I only stopped smoking 4 days ago; should I reschedule?
I was advised to have a Breast Lift with my augmentation. I am not sure I want to have it done due to scarring, recovery, and increased cost. If I...
I've lost approx.100 lbs and now have very saggy skin. I am considering having a Breast Lift, Tummy Tuck, and Arm Lift. Would it be dangerous to have...
14 days post op and just started having a clear slightly bloody drainage from incision around nipple on breast that I had the Breast lift done on. No...
I was wondering what would be my best option? When I was a teen I was a 40 DD and I was overweight.When I left high school I got into fitness and...
I am 34DDDD/F, I like the size and shape of my breast, but want them lifted as they have dropped. I don't want Breast implants, because I don't...
I have lost 155 lbs and am at my goal weight (via diet and exercise). Now, I need to get all the excess skin removed. I'm scheduled for a Tummy Tuck...
I had a Breast augmentation and Breast lift 6 months ago. I need revision surgery on my aereolas, but my PS suggested that he might do a re-lift. Is...
I already have breast implants and have had them for fourteen years. I am now needing a breast lift. Can I keep exsisting implants and get a lift?
I am planning on having a breast augmentation with lift, and Rhinoplasty in a few months. They won't be performed at the same time as I have chosen ...
I had a lumpectomy 3 years ago, that breast sags now and the other one just a little.
I would like to have a breast lift done, but apparently I am a freak of nature and get into an embarrassing situation at times and I'm not sure if...
I am NOT asking if I can receive Breast augmentation as well. I am asking if the 'normal' SPAIR procedure uses augmentation to help shape the new breasts.
I know that Allergan CUI breast implants are the low price brand and CUI MHP are responsive gel. I wonder, are they safe or not? What cohesive level...
I had gastric bypass 4 years ago and lost 200 pounds. I have extra skin on my arms I would like removed and I also would like a Breast lift or Breast...
Are there any insurance companies that will cover a breast lift in Alabama, specifically, Huntsville, Alabama? Is there a surgeon who does option plans?
I got Silicone breast implants two years ago, going from a B cup to a full D. Since then, I've had Torsoplasty, Liposuction and gotten smaller.
Now,...
If I don't have kids but would like to, should I wait to do lift?
I am very depressed since having my third child, who is three. I can't let my husband near me, who tries to be there for me but I just push him away....
I am considering a Tummy Tuck and Breast Lift. Is it safer to have the procedures performed separately? Is there any increased risk from combining...
Do you recommend breast implants after a lumpectomy and radiation? If so, what type of implants and what are the pros and cons of this type of...
I recently saw a video on Web MD informing there is a new technique out for a natural Breast lift/augmentation, which is essentially a two for one...
What is a fair amount of times per year that a doctor has performed surgery? I have been speaking with I plastic surgeon about a tummy tuck, breast...
I'm considering a breast lift. What can I expect during breast lift recovery?
I had breast lift 6 weeks ago, and I noticed that one breast is still lower even after swelling has subsided. My doctor made a but on one breast but...
After a Breast lift does your breasts look full or does some people require a small Breast implant to make it look full?
Thanks for you time. In your opinion, which is the best surgical breast lift option for longest lasting results, with maximum support? I essentially...
I am considering having breast implants and breast lift. What credentials should I look for in a surgeon?
Are there doctors who preform a breast lift with silicone implants for $5000 or less? I had an extreme amount of weight loss about 1 1/2 year ago and...
Iam considering having breast implants or a breast lift. I am 53 years old; small-framed with 36C breast size; weighing at 130 lbs. My breasts have...
I have had two kids and I would like to get my boobs back to the way they were, but I don't want them to be smaller.
I had a Mini tummy tuck but should have had a full tummy tuck. Now, however, I'm afraid I have to little skin to do a full tuck and am left with saggy...
After two completely different consultations, I am unsure about what to do. My breasts (B cup) are small and drooping. The nipples are not pointing...
I am 18 years old and have large, spread out breasts that are not fully droopy, but sag some. When I lie down, they spread out towards my armpits and...
I am a 46-year-old female and am thinking about a breast lift but my only concern is that I am a smoker and the actual surgery itself scares me....
I'm 5'2" and 120 lbs. I had a breast lift with teardrop shaped Saline breast implants two years ago. I was told by my plastic surgeon that the...
I'm planning to have a breast lift done in New York. The price is affordable but I'm afraid to have it done there because the surgery will be...
I currently have 575 HP saline breast implants under the muscle and I feel they sit too low. I want a higher, tighter look, but I don't really...
I had another consultation with another surgeon today they said they can fix my uneven breasts by doing a breast lift on my larger breast, and placing...
Opinion needed on getting a breast augmentation, and a possible lift. I have had four children, and I am 27 years old, 5'5", 125 lbs. I am very...
Will a Mastopexy get rid of skin that has been stretched because of Breast Implants? I wish to have my implants taken out and want to know if the...
I am a 39 years old with 300 cc saline textured breast implants over the muscle for 15 years. Almost a year ago, I noticed hardness and discomfort on...
I'm thinking of going abroad to have a breast lift, tummy tuck, back liposuction. Will 10 days be long enough?
I have 3 kids and I'm still fairly young. I have lost volume in my breast as well as a cup size. I am interested in having breast implants with breast...
I need to make up my mind regarding breast reconstruction, with breast implants and breast lift. I have gone to different plastic surgeons. I am 50...
I had a Breast Reduction and Breast Lift last year. I went from a DDD to a very nice 36C/38C depending on the bra.Since then I've lost about 40 lbs...
Do you have any recommendations of good doctors who perform Arm lift, Breast lift or Breast implants, and hernia repair in the Inland Empire or San...
I just quit smoking. My Breast lift and Breast implant surgery is in 9 days. Should I postpone my surgery?
I know I want some form of tummy tuck and breast augmentation. However, I don't know if I just need implants or if I will also need a breast lift....
I am having Breast Lift with Breast Implants and Liposuction in 4 areas (abdomen and legs) next Friday. My questions is will I be ready to return to...
I was wondering because I don't want more added at this moment. Will the Breast lift also tighten your stomach? Does it leave scars? Say I'm 130 lbs,...
I am interested in getting a lollipop breast lift and a 370-400cc breast implants at the same time. I am currently a 36DD. I had one doctor tell me I...
Is recovery the same as for just a breast lift if you get a breast lift and augmentation at the same time? Does it take longer, cause more pain... any...
Hello, I'm 18 years old and I had a baby when I was 15. My breasts have sagged down and gotten a lot smaller I'm now at around a 36B or C. I'd love a...
I really need help with this question. I am from the Bahamas and would like to get Rhinoplasty and maybe a Breast Lift. I can't afford to pay the full...
I am 14 with the tuberous breast deformity. Is there a completely natural way to fix this? Or do I need any type of breast lift or cosmetic...
How many days will I need to recover after a breast lift and augmentation? I have a 6-month-old and would like to know if I will need more help. I...
Hi Surgeons! I am considering having a Breast Lift and was wondering if I need a surgeon who specializes in mixed race skin?
I have always been told...
I am 6'2. Yes, very tall! And I am 195 lbs and look pretty good, but having 3 kids and nursing them has diminshed my breast size and shape. I used to...
I am a size 36C and would like to get a Breast Lift. Is this possible without Breast implants and can you do this before having a baby without...
My breasts are heavy and I wear tight bra straps 24/7 for support or else I have shooting pain down down the outer side of each breast. I have...
I have recently lost 46 lbs and have about 15 more to go. My breast size has not decreased significantly, only from a DDD cup to a DD cup. How long...
I have decided to remove my implants after 15 years without replacement. I have opted not to have any further surgeries and know I will have smaller...
I am going to have a Breast Lift w/ Breast implants. I have silicone implants now and the doctor says there is a lot of scar tissue, my breasts are...
Hi i'm a 21-year-old-mother who gave birth over 14-months ago,my problem is that i always had an a-cup breast and during my pregnancy my breast...
I am interested in breast lift surgery. I'm wondering, will I have a high chance of having keloid scars on my breasts, seeing that both my C-sections...
Can I return to work in 10 days after a full tummy tuck and breast lift with breast implants? I'm a dental assistant and I do a lot of moving around....
After having 3 children and losing the weight before even leaving the hospital, my breasts are very deformed and I am unable to find a bra or bathing...
And silicone augmentation for around 8000?
